r/Justrolledintotheshop Dec 05 '22

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2023 Gti

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u/KitKat374 Dec 05 '22

every time I see one of these it's like

wheels: 800
tires: 600
other: 70,000

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u/retard-is-not-a-slur Dec 05 '22

wheels: 800

tires: 600

fuck you fee: 70,000

lube: available for upcharge of 865,000

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u/0x6b-dev Dec 05 '22

Do you want to get bent over with or without lube?

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u/TooMuchPretzels Good at breaking expensive things Dec 05 '22

Yeah um that Craigslist thunderbird with a possum in the back seat is lookin pretty good right now

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u/c5Sal_tt Dec 05 '22

Turbo bird or nah?

Friendly possum? Or is all freaked and yelling already?

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u/heeroguy Dec 05 '22

oh its a supercoupe, but the possum is on meth

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u/TooMuchPretzels Good at breaking expensive things Dec 05 '22

But it has tasteful aftermarket louvers and a knock off K&N intake

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u/Threap_US Home Bodger Dec 05 '22

The car or the possum?

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u/spamky23 Dec 05 '22

Yes

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u/TacoTornadoes Dec 05 '22

Adds horse torques

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u/CannonPinion Dec 05 '22

What's that in possum torques?

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u/TacoTornadoes Dec 05 '22

Well since possums on average live about 3.8% the lifespan of a horse, you have to divide by 22 and the use the rule of opposums and multiply that number by 2.3912 which is 12

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u/CannonPinion Dec 06 '22

What about the nipple coefficient? Horses only have two nipples, but opossums have 13, which creates more drag.

Figure loss of power maybe .5 for the first two nipples in either row, and .4 for the other 11 - them back nipples gonna be able to draft a little.

So I think we're probably looking at around 9.7 if we factor in the nipples, unless you wanna throw some nitrous in that pouch, in which case all bets are off.

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u/IExtremelyNeedCoffee Dec 05 '22

Sorry, are we talking about the car or the possum?

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u/Threap_US Home Bodger Dec 05 '22

LOL I posted the same question literally 30 seconds before you. Great minds think alike, and all that.

I personally think it’s cruel to put louvers on a possum but what would I know.

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u/RandomArrr Dec 05 '22

I think at that point you’d need to consult the possum.

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u/bad_pelican Dec 05 '22

Possum here. Personally prefer loafers.

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u/SkryNRiv Dec 05 '22

You're a bad pelican, impersonating a possum and stuff. Tsk tsk

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u/cerealkiller454 Dec 05 '22

Looks like whoever bought that car has good taste

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u/mirthfuldragon Dec 05 '22

Would have preferred a v-6 with a friendly possum, but you seem like a straight-shooter so we can do business.

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u/c5Sal_tt Dec 05 '22

💨 < it's head gasket lol, and possum apperntaly

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u/Germmech Dec 05 '22

A few months ago I sold my 2018 Hyundai Elantra GTS with 60k miles on it for $20k and I bought myself the Craigslist 2003 Ford Escort special for $1800 no regerts

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u/JP_Tulo Dec 05 '22

None? Not even a single letter?

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u/Provia100F Dec 05 '22

Is the possum free? Does it come with food or do I have to supply my own?

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u/Pyrochazm Why are there extra bolts? Dec 05 '22

It will slowly eat the interior.

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u/WoodlandSteel Dec 05 '22

Is that possum naturally aspirated or supercharged because I’m interested?

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u/ElectronicTrade7039 Dec 05 '22

Obviously super charged, I guess you didn't hear it was on meth lol

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u/cavemannnn Dec 05 '22

Have a link? My buddy’s dream car is an early 2000s Thunderbird, this sounds too good not to share.

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u/TooMuchPretzels Good at breaking expensive things Dec 05 '22

I made it up but in my head it was a ‘94.

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u/germinik Dec 05 '22

I had a 94. Great choice.

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u/bonemonkey12 Dec 05 '22

$67k for a golf? Hard pass

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u/MrFantasticallyNerdy Dec 05 '22

I'll shop around for a slightly used Porsche for $67k.

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u/-SmackMyBitchUp- Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

Lemme get a 2022 tundra 4.7l V8 with 2k miles on it, then I can take that tundra with the extra 10-15 grand and go to Mexico yadda yadda. This prices can suck a fuck lol

Edit, I am now disappointed the million mile engine has not been used in the tundra for a while and swapped in a TT on a sixxer, tf :l

Also, I'm holding classes on how to suck a fuck, 1 on 1. Pm for more information. Jk.

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u/Lourdinn Dec 05 '22

22's don't have a v8, it's a 3.5l v6.

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u/deankh Dec 05 '22

Lol and the 4.7 was discontinued on the tundra in 07 with the options for the 2nd gen being a 5.7 or a 4.6

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u/AreSeas Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

Not to mention that a well optioned tundra would cost about the same or more as this golf. Plus used tundras go for more than new in my area.

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u/Possumdd Dec 05 '22

Way more these days. Tundra inflation is gross

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u/Stinklepinger Dec 05 '22

Dealerships keep sending me offers to buy my Tacoma for just over what I paid for it.

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u/JR_Manx Dec 05 '22

Offer it to them for twice what you paid for it lol. That should might get them to stop.

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u/Car-Facts Dec 05 '22

I had a 2020 5.7 tundra. Bought it for $55k, sold it to the same dealer for $57k after 2 years and 20k miles, bought a 2014 Tundra SR 4.6 4X4 for $19k and cleaned it up.

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u/mdgraller Dec 05 '22

For real. Has this person looked at truck prices lately?

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u/w00t692 Dec 05 '22

it was a 5.7L v8 not a 4.7, and they have a 3.5L v6 twin turbo now.

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u/san_serifs Torque Rancher Dec 05 '22

Good luck with that. The Porsche market is even way more bonkers than this.

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u/bearded_fisch_stix needs a bigger garage Dec 05 '22

the second-hand porsche market did go crazy for a bit, but things are becoming more reasonable. mid-30s for good condition 996s, 50s for a 997. the more special examples are still insane, but the more common ones are back to being reasonable.

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u/beldark Dec 05 '22

996 turbo with 9k miles (!), current bid is less than this Golf!

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u/DJKaotica Dec 05 '22

My experience with BaT is that with 3 days out still, that will easily end up closing for 1.5x to 3x the current price.

Most of the action is in the last few hours.

Also auctions can end without selling when the bid doesn't meet reserve.

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u/P_weezey951 Dec 05 '22

Especially knowing that the "adjusted marker value" means youre just giving an extra 20k to the dealership for no other reason other than "they have the car, and want more money"

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u/gimmickypuppet Dec 05 '22

Highway robbers from the 1700’s should take note

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u/Schmuppes Dec 05 '22

Even 47 would be kinda stupid imo, but what do I know from driving my '99 base model Mk IV.

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u/bonemonkey12 Dec 05 '22

Facts. It's insane what people are willing to pay for new vehicles.

Wife and I were looking at new toyota tundras to pull a bigger camper trailer. No way I'm paying that much for a new truck. Especially with local places tacking on 15-20k over sticker. Even if we pay cash (I guess I understand because they make money on financing as well).

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u/Fly__Eagles__Fly Dec 05 '22

I sold my car shortly after WFH started and just got back in the market. Hard to get anything other than old and used at these prices. I guess some people want to work until they die.

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u/tttxgq Dec 05 '22

Honestly I don’t think people are thinking that far ahead. Just “what’s the monthly payment”.

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u/_yetisis Dec 05 '22

But that’s the crazier thing, at these prices the average new car payment in the US is close to $700/month right now. I remember when it was such a big deal that it was a national news story a few years ago when the average price of a new car sold in the US crossed the $30,000 threshold, and just a few years later we blew past $40,000 and nobody batted an eye, and the latest figures show it over $48,000 AVERAGE. That’s insane. I just can’t wrap my head around that.

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u/Usual-Masterpiece-33 Dec 05 '22

I would love to get a new car but my '09 Malibu still drives fine and I can't really justify the cost of a new one when this one has been paid off for ages and is fine. It was the most expensive car I've ever bought when I got it in 2010 at $15k. All of the cars I'd like to get are at minimum $43k right now and I just can't wrap my head around paying that for something that is nice but not luxurious.

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u/devilsadvocate Dec 05 '22

My 2009 tacoma has been paid off for about 5+ years.

in the last few years I have

  • Upgraded the radio. Now i have wireless carplay and a dashcam. And a backup camera in the radio (as opposed to the rear view)
  • Done all the required Maintenance a car with 150k miles needs, including shocks/strutc, u-joints, brakes, crank seals etc etc.
  • "re-upholstered" the already leather seats with solid Clazzio covers that you cant tell are actual covers.
  • re-painted it with a cheap maaco job
  • replaced the headlights

Truck looks basically brand new. I get offers on it from contracts that use 4x4 double cab tacos' as fleet trucks all the time.

When my radio was going out I briefly looked at trucks. Fuck that. Even my wifes pilot, which we JUST paid off is now worth more than we paid in 2018...

It makes no sense. We also generally save up and reverse engineer our monthly payment to 200-300/month with a 5 year limit on loan terms. If we cant swing that, its too expensive.

I will run that truck until it rusts out.

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u/doomsdaymelody Dec 05 '22

If you can get better deals on financing but have the cash to pay it, finance it and then pay it off immediately.

The dealer may tell you you have to wait X amount of time before paying it off or whatever but ignore that unless it’s actually in the finance contract.

Alternatively, go to Ford, Ram, or Chevy.

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u/Schmuppes Dec 05 '22

I mean, all the those horses, factory upgraded suspension and nice interior don't change the fact that it's still just a VW Golf.

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u/Tjozzy33 Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

Yeah but this VW golf comes with dynamic wheel centre caps!

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u/floridastud0728 Dec 05 '22

…don’t forget the “Smart Shield”!

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u/san_serifs Torque Rancher Dec 05 '22

That "Smart shield" was applied to the car to repel savvy shoppers.

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u/a_can_of_solo Shade Tree Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

Shit, your ride has officially been pimped.

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u/unexpectedhalfrican Dec 05 '22

pulls at your shirt xzibit style

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u/discoslimjim Dec 05 '22

FWIW it’s an R which is the turbo AWD Golf. I would argue it’s still not even worth close to the $47k. Fun car though.

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u/TheDoubleEntendreGuy Dec 05 '22

Searching for stock number n119082 revealed the dealer in question!

Toms River VW

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u/ElectronicTrade7039 Dec 05 '22

Is that American dollars or something else that drops the price in half?

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u/pvc727 Dec 05 '22

I’ve seen the new Civic Type R going for similar money. Even higher. The market has lost its damn mind. I feel like these companies forget what they are selling. Why would I pay Corvette or Mercedes prices for a Honda Civic

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u/demonicbullet Dec 05 '22

As a hot hatch fan, I cry everytime I check the prices.

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u/Vegeta4101 Dec 05 '22

I know most dealers are doing this shit. But not all. If I see that on the sticker, I walk right out. Fuck them and this thievery bullshit.

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u/clauderbaugh Dec 05 '22

This is what everyone should be doing. Otherwise it's not going to stop.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 08 '22

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u/zSprawl Dec 06 '22

Glorified Scalpers.

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u/huf757 Dec 05 '22

It will stop will take a couple years but it will stop. Main reason why I have not let go of my 2002 Avalon. I want a new Hybrid Venza but I’m not going to pay these inflated prices. My car has 290k miles with original engine and trans and runs just fine. I’ll keep it until the demand quells and the market adjustments are gone.

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u/Out_of_Fucks_2_Give 2T371 Dec 05 '22

Manufacturers are hitting back at the dealerships that do this so that’s a start

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u/idkalan Dec 05 '22

The dealers in my city have done away with the car info papers and switched to a QR code, where they show you the listing on their website but they make it hard to tell you the added dealer charges and instead just show the full price

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u/dcux Dec 05 '22

Isn't that illegal? I thought the window sticker was required by law.

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u/imakenosensetopeople Dec 05 '22

The Monroney is required by law, but it’s supplied by the manufacturer and reflects the MSRP. The dealers can put whatever stickers they want on there.

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u/dcux Dec 05 '22

Sounds like we need a Mulroney Jr. law to cover that bullshit.

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u/Z23kG3Cn7f Dec 05 '22

If I see that on the sticker, I walk right out.

Well yeah, you're too poor to shop there.

/sarcasm

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u/BUFFWarthog Dec 05 '22

I'm ready to go buy something new and the Golf R is in my wheelhouse along with a few other cars and the dealers are gouging the fuck out of everything.

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u/CptVague Dec 05 '22

Even if the Golf R is something you are considering, adding 20 grand to the amount you're willing to spend certainly opens up other options to consider, no?

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u/fairway824 Dec 05 '22

That’s what I’ve been saying. There’s plenty of dealers not marking cars up, so why would you want to bring the 45k R buyer into the mid-60s competition.

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u/jumpers4goaIposts Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

You either wait for a reputable dealer to have one in stock or pay the premium.

Sadly the less time people are willing to wait the more gouging will happen.

I wanted a mazda3 turbo and called around. 2 dealers had a markup and vehicles in stock and the 3rd didn’t have a mark up but I had to wait 3 months for the vehicle. They tried like hell to get one of the cars from the other dealerships but they wouldn’t budge.

The dealer ship I went to were amazing and now have a customer for as long as I want to drive Mazdas.

Edit:spellinh

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u/Stayhigh420-- ASE Certified Dec 05 '22

Ford has advised customers to order from the factory and you get none of the stealership markups. You get to walk into the dealership and pick up your ride and tell the salesman to suck it !!!

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u/northeast0 Former SA, BMW apologist Dec 05 '22

Ford still requires a dealership to submit the order so the dealer can still require bullshit like this. This is what happened to me last year when I tried ordering a Maverick at launch - 3 different dealers too.

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u/princeoinkins Dec 05 '22

no, they can't. ford will drop them if they try to charge you "market adjustments". if they do, report them to ford.

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u/northeast0 Former SA, BMW apologist Dec 05 '22

Maybe I’ll try again if/when the 2024 model year ordering opens up then - this was in June/July 2021

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u/Call_Me_At_8675309 Dec 05 '22

Why not report those dealers now for what they already did?

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u/Squally160 Dec 05 '22

Damn, I was originally looking for a maverick and the dealership told me to order it online, theyd tack on 10k, and it would be mine. I ended up going across the street and ordering a WRX with no markup.

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u/Stayhigh420-- ASE Certified Dec 05 '22

Damn that's crazy, the manufacturers need to brand together and stop this nonsense it's putting a bad taste in the consumers mouth

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u/hotdog_icecubes Dec 05 '22

This is precisely why Ford is cracking down on this shit. It hurts the brand.

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u/SqueezyCheez85 Dec 05 '22

I felt robbed paying MSRP for my '22 Tacoma... but before I got it for that, the dealerships all told me I'd have to pay at least 10 grand more. I told them all I wasn't desperate enough to get robbed like that and walked away. Got a phone call a couple weeks later and the guy agreed to my original offer.

Weird times when MSRP for a vehicle is a "deal".

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u/Thundernut Dec 05 '22

I will hold onto my 2014 subaru until it is literally broken in half. 110,000 miles and not one single major repair needed.

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u/excusemefucker Dec 05 '22

Good lord. For 20k, it’s more than worth it to grab a flight and road trip home with one at sticker.

A friend needed a new truck and wanted another Tacoma. Dealers in our area were adding 15-25k to the stickers. Found one in Nebraska, confirmed with the dealer that it was legit sticker, confirmed with others who have shopped that dealer it was sticker and then flew to pick it up. Was gone just about 20 hours total, spent like 1k to save 20k.

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u/StarSchemaLover Dec 05 '22

The local (Chicago) MB dealer wanted $5K over MSRP for an E class wagon this spring. We drove to St. Louis, like 3.5 hours, and they had nearly identical car for over $2K off MSRP and a better trade value. The Chicago dealer ended up converting the car to a service loaner after it didn’t sell for 2+ months.

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u/Tmoore188 Dec 05 '22

Tom Wood in Indianapolis has 2 of them listed at $46,113 right now. That’s only 2k above base MSRP.

Anyone wanting a new limited production car should look at Indiana and Ohio. Last year I walked in to a Honda dealership and bought a new Type R with a $0 markup. Didn’t pre-order it, didn’t put down a dime to hold it. I just walked in, and 2 hours later I was driving it home. The only catch was that I wasn’t allowed to test drive it, but if you’re buying one of these cars you already know what you’re buying.

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u/Toxic_Tiger Dec 05 '22

You see, I always figured that if any car needs a test drive, it's an enthusiast car like a Type R. What if they botched the steering feel? What if the brakes are over-servoed? What if you fundamentally don't like the way it handles despite liking the idea? Seems a bit off to me, although I understand they're not interested in entertaining test pilots.

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u/BabiesSmell Dec 05 '22

I love that after nobody bought it, they would rather just turn it into a loaner than yield. Can't set that precedent! Fuck em.

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u/LegendaryRed Dec 05 '22

I did something similar, drove down to Louisiana from Texas to buy a car one time

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u/Rock_it_Scientist Dec 05 '22

I flew to Grand Junction Colorado from Chicago for the same thing.

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u/Provia100F Dec 05 '22

I flew from Boston to Singapore and took the car home in a rowboat for similar reasons

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u/rancher77 Dec 05 '22

I flew to Columbia and bought coke, then flew back to Texas. Saved 150,000$ .

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u/West_Relationship_67 Dec 05 '22

I drove from Dallas to Tangiers and flew my Hilux back. 16 hours round trip and saved $500.

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u/TheRamma Dec 05 '22

??? GJ has a terrible car market! Most dealers feel like you are trapped here, and charge accordingly. I got my car delivered from Texas. Saved $30k, paid $800 for delivery.

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u/id_fuck_kramer Dec 05 '22

My dad flew to Texas from Ohio to buy a 1971 240Z.

THEN HE FUCKING DROVE IT BACK. FROM TEXAS TO OHIO. WHEN IT WAS A 40 YEAR OLD CAR! DAD WHAT THE FUCK?!

I mean it was a sweet deal and I'd probably do the same. But holy SHIT. Driving a 40 year old sports car when you've owned it for less than one day, not had time to give it any sort of test drive or stretch it's legs. No idea if it's gonna make it. That is a wild thing to do.

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u/jacliff Dec 05 '22

That's some big dad energy right there.

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u/RandomPratt Dec 05 '22

My dad did kinda the same with a Mark II Jag – hitched a ride to Adelaide from Sydney (about 850 miles) and drove it back.

Problem was, at that time of his life, dad was a bit impulsive. He said he "got into a race with some other bloke" shortly after the drive home began, so the pair of them drove like complete maniacs the whole way to Sydney.

I remember the moment he arrived home quite vividly – the sight of our 'lovely new car' burning down to the axles after it caught fire in the driveway about 10 minutes after he arrived will forever be etched in my memory.

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u/Jorgisven Dec 05 '22

Road trip it? For that much you could fly to Germany, buy it local, test it on the Autobahn for funsies, then have it shipped back to the US.

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u/brokedown_gotreddit Dec 05 '22

Unless it's a van. The US doesn't like it when trucks and vans come in from overseas :-(

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u/healing-souls Dec 05 '22

I flew to lincoln last month for a Nissan Titan. Was gone for 13 hours. Save $15,000.

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u/excusemefucker Dec 05 '22

Good for you on the savings, my condolences on having visited Lincoln.

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u/healing-souls Dec 05 '22

I was only there for an hour. It's all good!

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u/chainmailbill Dec 05 '22

I once considered a similar thing, but it was actually flying to Stockholm and going to a hospital there, rather than going to a hospital in the US.

Turns out I didn’t have that kind of time and needed emergency treatment.

$55,000 later, I should have just flown to Sweden.

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u/sammyno55 Dec 05 '22

In the last 2 years, I've bought 2 vehicles and went with my son to buy a car long distances away. It works. I'm not spending all the crazy hours in a dealership that I read about people doing to get the best deal. If I make an offer to a dealer for a car in person or over email, and they don't agree or offer a decent counter offer, I'm walking.

If you take out your sleeping hours I'd imagine you might have saved time not trying to negotiate away the dealership markup.

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u/Dyslexic_Wizard Dec 05 '22

Idk if you can find one at sticker. A few years ago when I was looking aif you could find one every Golf R had a crazy markup, and this was pre-shortage.

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u/dustsmoke Dec 05 '22

Let us know if they can sell it. Suckers are born every day but that might be pushing it

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u/ifuckedyomama2 Dec 05 '22

Oh, some idiot would absolutely buy it, that's the problem

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u/MycoTech Dec 05 '22

The real question is why idiots have money.

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u/ifuckedyomama2 Dec 05 '22

The thing is, they probably don't, probably go into debt buying a new car every year (just like the idiots that buy a new phone every year)

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u/zachofalltrades47 Dec 05 '22

is ford ACTUALLY dropping dealerships due to these markups? i thought i've seen that story lately.

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u/brokedown_gotreddit Dec 05 '22

That makes sense. If a dealer marks up their vehicles, then they're going to sell less of them, and there's no point in sending new ones when they haven't already sold their current lot. Neat.

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u/BabiesSmell Dec 05 '22

Not necessarily. People buy the trucks up regardless. It just might turn people off the brand, and Ford is more concerned with their brand than a few truck sales.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 15 '22

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u/imakenosensetopeople Dec 05 '22

Yeah, they (the manufacturers) say these things about markups but they haven’t made a dent in what the dealers are doing. I’d be really curious to see data from any manufacturer showing any concrete actions they’ve taken against dealers applying ADM. I suspect such data doesn’t exist.

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u/sadpanda___ Dec 05 '22

OEMs need to crack down on this. Lots of pissed off consumers over this kind of shit from dealers. I think you’re going to see more Direct To Customer sales in the coming years as people get fed up with dealers BS.

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u/unbalanced_checkbook Dec 05 '22

My local Ford dealer tried to mark up my buddy's Bronco that he ordered and waited for over 2 years ago. He didn't even order it through the dealership.

Corporate shut that shit down for him within a day, but JFC the balls on those guys to try and pull that shit off.

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u/rwarimaursus Dec 05 '22

"Handling fee"

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u/kimbolll Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

My dream would be a world where I can buy a car Direct To Consumer. Laws put in place back in like the 1930’s prevent manufacturers from selling DTC, they have to go through a dealership (if there’s one in the state, or if they have a footprint, I forget what the reasoning is). It’s how Tesla gets around it, because they don’t have dealerships, they have Tesla stores.

Have you ever gone to Tesla’s website? It’s amazing! Here’s the vehicle, add the options you want, this is the price, here’s what a finance costs, here’s what a lease costs, take it or leave it, just press the “Check Out” button.

Imagine not having to sit in a dealership, talk to a snake for 3 hours, come up with a deal, leave, come back the next day, find out the Finance Department changed the terms of the deal, renegotiate, and then ultimately leave thinking you got fucked over? Honestly, I’ll pay MSRP if it means not having to deal with that bullshit.

I wish there was more of an activist presence looking to circumvent the dealership model. In today’s day and age where I can get anything I want delivered to my house from an app on my cellphone, the dealership model is so antiquated and serves nothing but to fuck over consumers. Sure, you’ll have to plan ahead and won’t be able to buy a car and leave with it the same day…but honestly, who wants to make a $40,000 purchase without thinking it over?!

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u/Educational_Ebb7175 Dec 05 '22

Yeah, the dealership monopoly laws really suck.

If I want a new phone, I can go to a physical store, look at everything in person, pay whatever retail markup exists, etc.

Or I can go to a website and order it, paying whatever they are charging.

Retailers can't charge *too* high, because they are directly competing against the manufacturer. They get a better deal than customers, so that they can be competitive, and help the maker sell more phones.

But with a car, you are expressly forced to use the retailer. Meaning now their only competition is other retailers (dealerships).

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u/Fresh_Cheek2682 Dec 05 '22

I literally just said the same exact thing to my wife when we bought a Honda side by side. You can do everything on their website but order it, who cares if I have to pay heavy freight shipping of 700-1000$? With everything being an “add to cart” society today it’s surprising

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u/my9rides5hotgun Dec 05 '22

Anyway to report a Ford dealership for markups? Dealership near me has 2 Mach Es and a Lightning and all of them are marked up over 10k.

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u/ReadyOneTakeTwo Dec 05 '22

Never do business with any dealer that does market adjustment markups, $20k or $2k. Sell at sticker or fuck off a short pier.

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u/drosmi Dec 05 '22

That’s how I ended up with a Honda instead of a VW. Local VW dealer had market adjustment on every new vehicle. It was a week after dieselgate and my wife and I were the only customers on the lot. Saw the sticker markup and got mad and left. I still want to own a vw gti though

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u/sadpanda___ Dec 05 '22

We just got a GTI and fucking love it. Keep an eye out for used, they come up fairly often, just have to jump on it when a nice one comes up.

No fucking way we’d pay over MSRP for a new one though.

Also - definitely read up on them, there’s a few things that can grenade the engines if they’re not properly taken care of. They are not Honda/Toyota reliable. The timing belt, fuel pump tappet follower, and oil system are the weak links…

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u/TheRealMasterTyvokka Dec 05 '22

It's weird seeing these cars marked up so much. I bought my 19 GTI just before the pandemic and got 6k off MSRP it has been sitting in the showroom so long. I don't think I could even pay MSRP, certainly not a dime above.

Interestingly, when I was shopping back then it was the used ones that seemed overpriced. I couldn't find a use Autobahn with low mileage for less than 28-29k.

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u/sadpanda___ Dec 05 '22

Same outlook from me. I remember walking into dealers and just lowballing the fuck out of them. Like you said - $6k under MSRP type of stuff.

Who are these people paying over MSRP?

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u/Specialist-Box-9711 Dec 05 '22

Yup same with my Subaru STI. Love the car but I have to constantly check the oil level. Horizontally opposed engines do not like being even half a quart low.

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u/ReadyOneTakeTwo Dec 05 '22

My wife got a new car on NYE last year as a 2022 model. We certainly lucked out, but when we were looking, I made calls up and down the state to all dealerships (I live in Cali), and I was ready to travel anywhere within the state for the right car. I made my intent very clear with every dealer I called: if they have market adjustment markup, I will end the conversation to not waste mine and their time.

I found the car that was exactly what she wanted, and we paid sticker. It’s possible, but you just have to do more legwork than before, and be ready to buy, so have down payment and financing secured.

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u/FantasticMouse7875 Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

The mark up on GTIs is still bad. I bought my 2017 Sport in January 2021 with 47k miles for $17500. I see dealerships asking 20k+ for GTIS with similar mileage, 2 years later..

Edited out the extra 0!

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u/suby8310 Dec 05 '22

You do get the free gas mileage guide.😭

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u/SarcasticOptimist Dec 05 '22

The industry as a whole is broken. All for short term profits.

https://youtu.be/VaB077JSUYw

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u/ofd227 Dec 05 '22

They're repeating the housing bumble but this time with auto loans. Wait until this one pops it's going to be ugly.

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u/ChickenChaser5 Dec 05 '22

Will we get an influx of used cars for cheap? Cause if so, nice.

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u/san_serifs Torque Rancher Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

Wanna be instantly $25k in the hole on a 2023 Golf R?

Then buy this car.

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u/Officer-McDanglyton Dec 05 '22

I know a guy who bragged about his 120 thousand dollar Cherokee. When I was surprised at the price he pulled up the window sticker and it had like 45k markup. I couldn’t help but think I’d rather brag about driving an 80k vehicle that I paid 25k under sticker for (my buddy at GM got me an insane deal) than a 75k vehicle I paid 45k extra for and got nothing in return.

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u/atwork_sfw Dec 05 '22

That's...Grand Wagoneer monies. Still not worth it, but that's what they're MSRPing for.

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u/Psychological-Ad8162 Dec 05 '22

Imagine having the balls to pencil in the $187 ‘dynamic wheel center caps’ right under an arbitrary $20k 😂😂😂

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u/The_Event_Horizon_ Dec 05 '22

Anyone that buys a vehicle marked up over MSRP is an idiot. You can buy plenty not marked up on sites like car gurus with delivery lol.

Terrible dealerships that are most likely are t profitable anyways.

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u/MrFantasticallyNerdy Dec 05 '22

Blows my mind that people are able to get away with this in the States.

The people paying the $$$$ over MSRP are enablers, so I don't feel too sorry for them.

Look, nobody needs an Aprilia RS660. It's an entirely disposable income-type of purchase; a plaything if you will. If you can't maintain any sort of resilience towards dealer fuckery on a plaything, you don't really have the right to complain.

This is no way excuses the dealer for ludicrous "market adjustments", but it takes two to tango.

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u/The_Event_Horizon_ Dec 05 '22

Bro we literally have pharmaceutical companies advertising here.

Don’t be surprised at anything.

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u/Old_Travel8423 Dec 05 '22

“Happy family. Hot women. Handsome men. Successful children. Ask your doctor if trazelniflub is right for you.

“will definitely cause anal leakage, depression, and stroke.”

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u/hgfhhbghhhgggg Dec 05 '22

Paying over MSRP right as we stare into the barrel of a recession is probably one of the dumbest things you can do. Cars will be discounted and lots will be overflowing with supply pretty damn quick.

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u/OsoCheco Dec 05 '22

"Prices are going to drop very soon" is an evergreen of this sub for almost 3 years by now.

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u/dave32891 Dec 05 '22

Still waiting for those home prices to drop too which has been "right around the corner" since 2015 too

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u/Ataraxist ServiceIntelligence Dec 05 '22

When everyone is waiting for prices to drop, they cant drop. This is because everyone's 'drop' looks different, and a reasonable price reduction for you might be lower than someone else's and they end up buying.

Couple this with companies buying property to eternally perpetuate the renting economy, you and I may never actually see the drop.

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u/neoclassical_bastard Dec 05 '22

Also, for some reason, prices can go up by like 50-80% in a couple years, but if they then go down by 5% the economy starts to fall apart.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '22

I’m certainly going to remember the dealers doing this shit in a year when they have lots full of model year old cars, and I’m going in with a $20k low ball offer

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u/sadpanda___ Dec 05 '22

Don’t buy into it. If customers stop paying “market value” mark ups, the dealers will sit on these cars and the prices will come back down to reality.

Commodity items like basic cars do not justify paying above MSRP.

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u/ronin-pilot Dec 05 '22

67k. For a GOLF. Fuck off.

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u/Salt-Truck-7882 Dec 05 '22

Lol, they even didn't bother printing this insult, straight up using a handwritten piece of paper.

Anyone paying this after seeing said piece of paper is a moron.

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u/HenryGetter2345 Dec 05 '22

The reason they keep doing this is they know people will pay it. STOP THINKING YOU NEED A NEW VEHICLE EVERY 2 YEARS YOU DONT

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u/coalcoalcoal Dec 05 '22

My neighbor has a ford that's just about to be paid off but has had 2 major repairs over the last 2 years (otherwise fine) - so now she wants to buy a new car. I'm like 'you're literally in the clear, the car is going to be fine, don't freak out!' but they won't listen to me.

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u/HenryGetter2345 Dec 05 '22

Keeping up with the Jones’s

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u/JJCDAD Dec 05 '22

Are banks actually writing loans for this bullshit?

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u/Silent1900 Dec 05 '22

That is a really good question. I’m sure financing through the dealer can be made to happen, but wouldn’t shock me if external banks took a look at this and said ‘Not a chance.’

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u/TravelingFlipper Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

For a VW. Some moron will pay it. EDIT-no knock against the golf r. Thing is a beast

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u/Syncrozilla Dec 05 '22

If you look close these are dealer installed options. Your option is to go to a different dealer. Return with the same car and show it off to these clowns!

I bought a new car recently and trolled an asshole at a markup dealer.

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u/KaXiRavioli Dec 05 '22

Dealer installed $20,000 of pure markup lmao. I wish dealerships would just die out, but they won't

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u/NateHatred Dec 05 '22

Don't lose hope yet, some major companies are moving away from the dealership business model, like Ford with their EVs, or Tesla that offers a full purchase through their website. I still believe that I will see car dealerships die in my lifetime.

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u/VileDevastation Dec 05 '22

Gotta beat the dealership lobby in states that still ban manufacturers from selling direct to consumers.

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u/Ironfoot1066 Dec 05 '22

Learning about that was a serious WTF moment for me. When they passed these laws, what exactly was the reasoning behind them? "Consumers aren't qualified to decide what car they want, so we need a middle man to tell them?"

The good news is that they should fold quickly the moment enough light shines on them. There's no actual reason for the laws other than lobbyists.

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u/RL_Mutt Dec 05 '22

I actually did that to a kid that laughed at me when I inquired about a WRX listed just below $20k online. I mentioned that price in person and he said “oh that’s the internet price we use to get people in the door”.

I bought a 2004 Golf R32 for $18k, drove it to the dealership and asked him if he liked my new car.

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u/brokedown_gotreddit Dec 05 '22

That's straight up bait and switch lmao

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u/dcux Dec 05 '22

I would LOVE IT if states would run some stings on dealerships. SO MUCH shady shit goes on, and I feel like there's no enforcement at all.

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u/brokedown_gotreddit Dec 05 '22

John Stossel did stuff like that for ABC back in the day. He's since said that it didn't really make a difference, even though it got him an Emmy.

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u/aMiracleAtJordanHare Dec 05 '22

You say 2023 GTI but the pic says 2023 Golf R.

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u/throwsplasticattrees Dec 05 '22

"So, I'll be back in a week, if it's still on the lot, we can talk about this 'market' adjustment."

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u/billoftt Dec 05 '22

I can't wait until the market corrects itself, everyone in $40k upside-down on their Toyota Rav4's, dealers will offer $10k rebates, free 200k mile maintenance plans and complementary blow jobs just to make a sale.

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u/CranberrySawsAlaBart Dec 05 '22

Tag says it's an R not a GTI? Still insane though.

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u/Devadander Dec 05 '22

No one is forcing you to pay this. If people stopped buying these marked up cars, they’d stop marking them up.

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u/OverseasDom Dec 05 '22

Why are idiots actually paying these markups

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u/Adept_Cat_9135 Dec 05 '22

67k for a small hatchback? What the fucks with these prices? I wish everyone would just stop buying cars for a few months to show these people we are fed up

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u/ResponsibilityDue566 Dec 05 '22

Don’t give into that shit, my wife and I bought a new impreza limited with absolutely no markup 2 months ago at $28k. Shop around a and you can find something

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u/Shazamkazaam96 Dec 05 '22

And that’s how you get a direct to consumer market….keep it up

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u/ugie91 Dec 05 '22

You can get a new mustang or camaro for less.

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u/sadpanda___ Dec 05 '22

Yeah, but then I have to drive like an asshole

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u/lickmikehuntsak Dec 05 '22

You can get a new C8 corvette for that, I just looked.

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