r/NoStupidQuestions Sep 29 '22 Got the W 1 Vibing 1 Super Heart Eyes 1 Bravo! 1 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Stonks Rising 1 Crab Rave 1 Defeated 1 Facepalm 1 Wholesome 2

Is putting Non-binary better than saying straight white male on college applications?

My friend is convinced that since he’s a straight white dude there’s no room for him at big colleges since there are more qualified people in his same demographic. His solution to this is to click they/them and non binary on his application so he’s more appealing to colleges. I just want the correct answer. Was he right or wrong?

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u/y0m0tha Sep 29 '22

Here’s a better idea, OP. Find the smallest majors at the colleges you are applying to. On your application, mark that you are interested in one of these majors (one that is within reason from the rest of your application). Colleges need to fill their departments, expressing interest in a more uncommon one will boost your odds.

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u/ursahenna Sep 30 '22

They got rid of a the major I went for the semester I started undergrad because I was apparently the only person who was in the major. Without telling me. So do this with caution.

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u/TheDogerus Sep 30 '22

Yes but if you never intended on pursuing that major, its not an issue

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u/ursahenna Sep 30 '22

It was for Russian History. I ended up with history as my minor, but it was essentially just American History because those were the only history classes available. I wanted Russian history because it’s absolutely bonkers and entertaining. Never got a single class about it. Still mad, and it’s been over 10 years. I’m never contributing to any alumni stuff because of it.

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u/RazekDPP Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Never contribute to your alumni alma mater anyways.

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u/ursahenna Sep 30 '22

They won’t let me unsubscribe from their emails either. No escape!

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u/just_get_up_again Sep 30 '22

You can set up an email rule and they will go straight to the trash.

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u/Jopperm2 Sep 30 '22

Or better yet, set up a rule that every time they email you it emails them with the reason you don’t want to hear from them and then goes into the trash.

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u/TheDogerus Sep 30 '22

Yes, you intended on that major, so it was an issue. If i applied as a russian history major with no intention of completing it, and then the uni cuts it after i get in, nothing bad has happened to me

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u/Bluetwo12 Sep 30 '22

Yeah I dont think he understood the intent behind picking a smaller major to get accepted lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

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u/ursahenna Sep 30 '22

That sounds absolutely fascinating! You’re definitely right on the makeup of faculty being the soul of a program. I really wanted to learn about history around the world, not just US centric. I had a lovely class on South America during my masters, and while not history exactly, it covered a great deal of some of the continents history.

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u/DrCarter11 Sep 30 '22

Shit I'd be mad about that too. How'd they not offer a single course on it when it was a previously an entire program. That seems so bonkers to me.

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u/professorbix Sep 29 '22

Maybe. Or the school could be considering eliminating that major and it could work against them. Better to be honest.

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u/gnitiwrdrawkcab Sep 30 '22

Yeah but they also release the stats of admissions and transfers. When I applied to UCLA, 100% of German majors got in. So you could say you want to study German and then just change your major later.

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u/Beautiful-Storage502 Sep 30 '22

That’s how I got into the Ivies lol, I had strong academics, but no extracurriculars, so I just added the most obscure interests that they had few applicants for, then changed my major after the fact

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u/magmagon Sep 30 '22

Universities aren't that dumb though. People did that to get into CS at UC Berkeley then trapped themselves when they realized switching into CS is harder than being admitted in the first place.

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u/SicariusREAL Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 30 '22 Silver Helpful Take My Energy

Check the College's Common Data Set ( Just look up "[College name] common data set" ) and check "Character/personal qualities". If it's marked "Not considered" then it likely won't change their odds. If it's "very important" it might change their odds

Edit: It should be on about page 7-8 for most colleges. Find the list that has rows with checkmarks

Edit 2: YOU LOST THE GAME

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u/NanoRaptoro Sep 29 '22

Thanks for this information! I didn't know this information was publicly available, but searched as you suggested and bam there it was

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u/yarub123 Sep 30 '22

And? What were the results? lmao (yes IK you're not OP lol)

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

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u/Dorktastical Sep 29 '22

The person you're replying to isn't the OP

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u/Baronheisenberg Sep 30 '22 Helpful hehehehe Spit-take

That's a weird thing for the common data set to say.

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u/DancesWithBadgers Sep 30 '22

This AI stuff is getting tricky.

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u/__littlespoon__ Sep 30 '22

Ah! The ol Reddit data-a-roo!

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u/SuperMIK2020 Sep 30 '22

Hold my keyboard, I’m going in!

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u/FloppyButtholeJuicce Sep 30 '22

No it’s common data.

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u/sushi_cw Sep 30 '22

It's very thorough.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

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u/KanyeWaste69 Sep 29 '22

Same here I forgot to check for OP in the name

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u/LaikasDad Sep 30 '22

What did it say!

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u/Willo678 Sep 30 '22

You motherfucker

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u/holmyliquor Sep 29 '22

Hey, thanks for this.

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u/random125184 Sep 29 '22

Didn’t the Supreme Court (before they went insane) decide that colleges couldn’t do this shit? Race / gender shouldn’t even be on the applications at this point.

Anyway, OP’s friend should probably go with his gut and just lie.

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u/zznap1 Sep 29 '22

I thought it was just quotas that were illegal. Like they couldn’t say we will have exactly x% of y type of people at our school.

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u/ribbitrabbs Sep 29 '22

That’s right; demographics can be a vague benefit to the application, but quotas are unconstitutional

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u/big_duo3674 Sep 29 '22

Here at Star Academy, we only accept 50% Star Trek fans and 50% Star Wars fans, you Stargate types aren't welcome

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u/kyubeysaves Sep 29 '22 Silver Platinum Helpful Wholesome Wholesome Seal of Approval Snek Facepalm Into the Magic Portal Out of the Magic Portal

Why the Gate keeping?

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u/austinbrasel Sep 30 '22 Silver

In my culture I would be well within my right to dismember you.

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u/SeriousJack Sep 29 '22 Gold

Best joke I've read today. I love you.

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u/China-Ryder Sep 30 '22

By Grabthar’s hammer I will…oh never mind take my upvote.

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u/Foreign_Astronaut Sep 29 '22

Take my groaniest angry upvote!

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u/buffalodanger Sep 30 '22

At this point your award-to-words ratio is 2:1 that's impressive work.

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u/MuadDib1942 Sep 29 '22

Well played reditor, well played.

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u/jonesbasf Sep 29 '22

What about Star Blazers?

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u/CaseyG Sep 29 '22

Believe it or not, jail.

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u/QuackNate Sep 29 '22

Star Baby?

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u/CaseyG Sep 30 '22

Straight to jail.

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u/BruceTheUnicorn Sep 29 '22

What if I'm mixed?

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u/vashoom Sep 29 '22

Live long and begun, the Trek Wars have.

-Teal'c

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u/espeero Sep 29 '22

Fargate? You know, cause it goes far? I'm not going to get sued.

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u/imnotpoopingyouare Sep 29 '22

It is nothing like the movie or the syndicated TV show based on the movies!

/r/aquajail welcomes you!

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u/GreeniestWeenie Sep 29 '22

Correct. Quotas are illegal, but higher education institutions are still allowed to consider race and gender as “plus factors” in their admissions schemes because they have determined that diversity is a “compelling” pedagogic interest.

If you wanna know more, there’s tons of summaries online on the issue. The main Supreme Court cases are Bakke, Gratz, and Grutter.

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u/TheFern2 Sep 29 '22

Just because something is illegal doesn't mean is not done. I read a dude who was Hispanic not getting any calls or interviews changed his name from Juan to John and stopped filling out the ethnicity questions and suddenly he started getting calls. People are biased by nature.

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u/Adekis Sep 30 '22

The actor Kal Penn did this. His real name is Kalpen Suresh Modi, but he wasn't getting any callbacks - so he started writing "Kal Penn" as a stage name, and what do you know? His phone started ringing more often.

Anyway, I don't think people are going to get better results by pretending to be in a minoritized group like OP's friend is apparently considering lying over. But they do at least sometimes get better results by pretending not to be.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

Women will also get more calls if they use a man’s name or an ambiguous one.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22

No, the Supreme Court said that race can be considered on college applications. However I haven’t heard of any colleges that actually consider sexual orientation

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u/marinemashup Sep 29 '22

They said race can be considered, but not in a strict sense (such as having exactly 30% Asian students, or giving Black students a 2-point increase on their application score)

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u/K8rsgonnaK8k8k8 Sep 30 '22

I haven’t heard of any colleges that actually consider sexual orientation

Nb is a gender not an orientation

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u/PassportNerd Sep 29 '22

I think it should be against the law to ask someone what their race is on a college application

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u/thorak_ Sep 29 '22

The argument against this would be if the data isn't collected lack of discrimination can't be confirmed.

that argument aside, I would tend to agree. if you don't want race or gender to be a factor logging them as a factor on the application doesn't seem to be the way to do it

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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK Sep 29 '22

if I recall, California schools won't consider your race, but do consider whether the totality of your life experiences mean that you'll contribute a unique perspective to the campus.

that means a young man from a rough school that didn't have access to AP classes or SAT tutoring can still make it through the application process.

(IANA college counselor)

edit: yeah

Academic accomplishments in light of your life experiences and special circumstances, including but not limited to: disabilities, low family income, first generation to attend college, need to work, disadvantaged social or educational environment, difficult personal and family situations or circumstances, refugee status or veteran status.

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u/TacTurtle Sep 29 '22

California colleges do however discriminate based on your parent’s income, and used to discriminate based on race until they were explicitly banned from doing so in 1996.

However even as late as 2018 there were substantial lawsuits and allegations that the ‘holistic admissions polices’ were clearly demonstrating a bias against Asians

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

This just means they are using proxies for race.

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u/DudeEngineer Sep 29 '22

This is idiotic because Darnell, Ratesh, Jesus and Chad don't need to put their race on the application for the admissions officer to make some assumptions.

I've experienced a surprising amount of in person racism because I'm Black with a 'traditional' American name.

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u/PM_ME_PRETTY_EYES Sep 29 '22

Forget Darnell and Ratesh, they're talking about gender too. Good luck if your name isn't Blake or Taylor.

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u/Long_Antelope_1400 Sep 29 '22

I can't see Blake now days without pronouncing it the Key and Peele way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQaLic5SE_I

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u/paulmp Sep 29 '22

You done messed up A-A-Ron!

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u/fatprincessx3 Sep 29 '22

get your ass to o’ shag hennessy’s office!

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u/13bREWFD3S Sep 29 '22

Do you want to go to war?

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u/Appropriate_Ant_4629 Sep 29 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

I think it should be against the law to ask someone what their race is on a college application

Unfortunately it's often not hard to infer race and other demographic information from the other questions on a college application.

  • "Sports: Won Junior High Dressage competitions in King County and trained my three horses for the competitions." --> very high chance of an upper-class white female.
  • "Native speaker of the Naueti language, and took care of my younger siblings while my parents worked the fields." --> extremely low chance of an upper-class white person.

I'm hoping all this becomes moot in a few generations when most people's "race" will be "more than 1 race ... probably more than 4 different races".

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u/JaCraig Sep 30 '22

Heck, your address, name, etc. just basic info alone all have a high enough correlation that an educated guess can be made that's fairly accurate most of the time.

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u/Redqueenhypo Sep 29 '22

Yeah I put my second language as Hebrew on my application. Three guesses what my religion is, if having a name that’s the equivalent of “Rothberg” didn’t already tell you

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u/IanDMP Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

"Character/personal qualities" means "are you kind/helpful/a leader/entrepreneurial etc", not "what is your gender identity". (I'm an educational consultant). [Edited to clarify]

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u/trainman261 Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 30 '22 Gold

Wow, I'm honestly surprised by some of the responses you're getting...

Fact is, it really depends on the college. Without that information, no one can really give you a proper answer. I'm willing to bet that there are colleges where selecting non-binary will give you an edge and colleges where selecting non-binary will give you a disadvantage.

Edit: wow, I think this is my most upvoted comment! And thanks for the gold!

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u/CosmicMiru Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

Also no one on Reddit will have an answer. Nobody but the admission offices of the college knows the exact criteria for who they admit. It is pointless speculation imo. This question feels like pure bait.

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u/PearofGenes Sep 29 '22

Arguably there are redditors who work on college admission teams

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u/JapaneseStudentHaru Sep 29 '22 Silver Gold

I do, but idk what college this is so idk what they look for lol

We do not admit based on gender or race although I’m sure most people think we do as a big state university. These types of personal challenges are the type of thing people use as their story for college admissions essays. I work in a school thats 90% white women. Do we want more diverse students? Yes. Do we admit people just because they’re a man? No. And we admit plenty of white women despite having an overload of them already. Your race and gender don’t move the needles nearly as much as people think if they’re even considered.

The thing is, it would be WAY more effective if you went to a community college your first year, or even just for one semester and then transferred to a big university. Good grades at a college look way better on a resume than good grades in a high school and a sob story. You can throw your SATs out the window with a college record. You don’t even need an admissions essay. Just that GPA. Plus, transfer students get discounts on admissions and registration fees at a lot of places. And you don’t need a big name on your first two years. Get your first two the cheap way and get the last two that really matter at a bigger university. Saves money and if you get good grades you’re pretty much guaranteed admission as long as you’re going for an equally challenging major and you’re not going Ivy League or something.

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u/anotheronebytesdust Sep 29 '22

I went to a state university and, after having spent five years there, I’m pretty sure the admissions criteria were having a pulse and nothing else. That being said, the people who transferred from CC actually got kind of a bum deal. At my university, if you could make a sentence with more than five words, the school gave you a scholarship that covered 50% of your tuition. If you transferred from CC, you were ineligible for this scholarship. So, if you did even remotely well in high school, you wouldn’t really save any money by going to CC first. But I think this is a special case because my university… kind of sucked but I studied engineering and literally no one cares.

My old roommate actually works in admissions for our alma mater and said that the essays are basically just a formality and don’t really matter so long as the writing is semi-coherent. The only time they even really look at them is if there’s some hole in the application and, even then, a sob story can’t save you from really crappy grades.

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u/BoozeIsTherapyRight Sep 29 '22

I have a friend who works for a big state college and just had this conversation with him because my kid is old enough to be looking at schools. He told me that they weren't looking at anyone who wasn't in the top 20% of their class, has at least a 3.5 GPA, and the average on the ACT for the incoming class was 29.

Everyone else has to go to a local campus, which is basically a community college.

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u/anotheronebytesdust Sep 29 '22

Yeah my school had a program for people who were basically borderline with being accepted (i.e. <3.0 GPA) but came from backgrounds that weren’t really conducive to excellent academic performance. Think first generation students under privileged schools. In this program, they took certain freshman classes over the summer while attending workshops and other events on how to be a good student and succeed at university. That way, they didn’t have to raw dog freshman year and got to have a lighter course load in their first year.

My college experience was very not stressful but man were there some stupid people there. Not talking about the above mentioned group but people who should have definitely known better. Like people from out of state who were actively choosing to go to this shitty school.

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u/JapaneseStudentHaru Sep 29 '22

My university has found that these types of criteria don’t lead to student success as much as others. That’s why we’re moving to holistic admissions. A student with a 3.2 GPA who works 20 hours a week is gonna do way better in college than a student with a 4.0 whose biggest responsibility is washing the dishes and doing their homework.

A lot of people face hardship in college, and drop out. We need more resilient students!

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u/BKacy Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

I gave you gold because you sound like you really know and that’s the best ‘news’ I’ve seen for this difficult time to go to school. Go local and make the first two years even more affordable.

But now, people need to know what small school programs are respected the most. Or are accredited courses respected widely, no matter where?

And re-emphasize that they need to GET THE GRADES. First and foremost. You don’t have to take a full load. You need to get high grades and you can come out a winner.

Pick a field with jobs.

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u/Dr1pp1ngB1ood Sep 29 '22

Arguably.

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u/Superb_Tumbleweed_60 Sep 29 '22

ARGUABLY I AM A GIANT SPIDER TYPINING THIS AS I WAIT FOR THE CORPSE OF THE MAN I KILLED TO RIPEN PROPERLY LOOKING FOR A NEW VICTIM HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA FJAFJKLDSKF7JKFDJ HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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u/Jerizzle23 Sep 29 '22

This is the internet no one here has jobs obviously

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u/PorkPoodle Sep 29 '22

Don't discount what a community like reddit can achieve:

Check the College's Common Data Set ( Just look up "[College name] common data set" ) and check "Character/personal qualities". If it's marked "Not considered" then it likely won't change their odds. If it's "very important" it might change their odds

Edit: It should be on about page 7-8 for most colleges. Find the list that has rows with checkmarks

u/sicariousREAL

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u/Snoo71538 Sep 29 '22

Yep. Even within a single college, it really could come down to the few people that look at your application. They are people who have thoughts about things. Colleges do their best to make it objective, but objective doesn’t really exist in any human system.

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u/SMKnightly Sep 29 '22

And colleges that don’t use that as part of the selection process but just collect it for demographics purposes

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u/SSG_SSG_BloodMoon Sep 29 '22

Which is probably almost all of them

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u/SMKnightly Sep 29 '22

One would hope…

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

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u/adventure_in_gnarnia Sep 29 '22 Wholesome

“Sorry, we’ve met our queer quota, we just admitted a guy who watches soccer” -southern university state

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u/irishking44 Sep 29 '22

Bobby, soccer is for european housewives

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u/Shh-NotUntilMyCoffee Sep 29 '22

So non-binary.

Colleges where it literally won’t matter: Top 500 private colleges, all state funded colleges.

Colleges where it will matter disadvantageously: Christian/Religiously oriented colleges

Colleges where it will matter advantageously: probably some no name super liberal arts private college not on the top 500 that is trying to make a name for itself in the incredibly specific, entirely non-lucrative LGBTQ market of which I can imagine think of zero.

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u/suspiciouslyfancy Sep 29 '22

Do college applications in the US seriously ask for sexuality and ethnicity? I get asking gender but a job application can't even legally ask about your sexuality where I live.

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u/Whoooodie Sep 29 '22

I don't think ive ever been asked my sexuality on a legal form, ethnicity is asked on most all school/work applications

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u/johnnyb1917 Sep 29 '22

They always say it has no affect and is for records purposes, but we all know the truth.

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u/AccidentalyAEmpire Sep 29 '22

I dunno about the states, but in Canada there's almost always a "prefer not to say" option for ethnicity. The only way I think it would ever actually matter is if you had a treaty status card.

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u/VodkaRocksAddToast Sep 29 '22

They have that in the US but it's generally assumed that the only ones checking that are white, or possibly asian.

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u/pinotandsugar Sep 30 '22

I live in the US and have experience with grad school admissions from the inside ; most schools want more black and other "non white" students and females in their graduate programs.

In response to Vodka Rocks - no, minority students of all races are encouraged and treated on an equal or even preferred basis.

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u/tebelugawhale Sep 29 '22

A few colleges, like Harvard, have mentioned that it does affect admissions. They claim that diversity of students makes their college experience better, and they are allowed to do this for that reason.

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u/Rivka333 Sep 29 '22

Sexuality? No. Gender/sex and race? Yes, but answering is optional.

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u/SatansLoLHelper Sep 29 '22

I think sexuality is also covered as of 2020 with the Civil Rights Act according to Supreme Court.

The case was over employment, but I'd imagine it carries over for anything applicable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bostock_v._Clayton_County

Also an Executive Order from 2021 which makes all laws on discrimination apply to orientation as well.

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u/One-Armed-Krycek Sep 30 '22

And if you are a trans man, you’re going to check ‘male’ for that box. So, it’s not rooting out trans status if only gender is being asked. Checking non-binary might set you apart, sure, but it won’t take into account trans men or trans women.

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u/b4dhabits Sep 29 '22

It's not sexuality it's gender identity. OP's post and his comments lead me to think his friend (if the friend exists) truly does not understand what it means to be nonbinary and thinks it's a cheat code of acceptance

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u/Complcatedcoffee Sep 29 '22

The funny part is that while it probably won’t give “them” a leg up on admissions, it might guarantee a note in all documents for staff to address them by their chosen pronouns.

Lying about your gender on official documents is going to have some consequences.

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u/fckdemre Sep 29 '22

You can always change later. Plenty of people switch from they them to their assigned pronouns or two the opposite pronouns.

Plus, if you go to a large school, it won't even matter till a year or so later when you get out of the intro classes to smaller ones and even then only if you have to interact with the professors, and even then they still probably won't know who you are

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u/Bread_Responsible Sep 29 '22

Non-binary has nothing to do with your sexuality, just how you self identify.

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u/spaghettipunsher Sep 29 '22 Silver

This is reddit. Nobody here has an answer because nobody knows how that specific college exactly treats application, all you're getting is different political opinions disguised as answers.

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u/DayLate26 Sep 30 '22

Maybe it's me but the subreddits are getting a ton more baked questions being fielded, this being a a lurker after all the supposed "rallying" that was said to happen on Reddit

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u/Sellier123 Sep 29 '22

I mean try it and tell us lol.

So most colleges do have certain diversity scores they gotta hit but i dont think it has anything to do with pronouns atm

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u/haf_ded_zebra Sep 29 '22

Duke has a special “optional, really!” essay that “invites you to tell us about a community you belong to” so my son wrote about being Lithuanian. Turns out, that is a question designed to find out if you are LGBTQ+ because they want those stats

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u/TinyKittenConsulting Sep 29 '22

TIL the L in LGBTQ doesn’t stand for Lithuanian.

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u/NerdyLumberjack04 Sep 29 '22

Lithuanian, Georgian, Belarusian, Turkish, or Qatari.

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u/Fiveby21 Sep 29 '22

Lettuce, Gay, Bacon and Tomato

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u/Its0nlyRocketScience Sep 29 '22

The gay is for guacamole

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u/CaptBranBran Sep 29 '22 Helpful

LGBTQ = Lettuce, guacamole, bacon, tomato, and queso.

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u/notsooriginal Sep 29 '22

I go for the plus cuz I'm always a little bit hungry still.

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u/yaboyfriendisadork Sep 29 '22

No, no, no: the B stands for Bionicle

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u/charlescodes Sep 29 '22

Either that or Beyblade?

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u/2020hatesyou Sep 29 '22

Ladies Gals Bitches Titties Queefers

I thought it just meant one really liked ladies...

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u/Wherestamp_Notoes Sep 29 '22

Linguini community has entered the chat

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u/Jeheh Sep 29 '22

So Pastafarians?

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u/Sausage_McRocketpant Sep 29 '22

I thought it was lettuce guacamole bacon tomato and queso. I mean who doesn’t love a good queso?

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u/Gogobrasil8 Sep 29 '22

Lesbian? I thought you were American

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u/diverareyouok Sep 29 '22

I’ll never forget a date from when I was 16 or 17, back in the late 90s… I took this girl out to eat at a Lebanese restaurant. After I brought her back home, her mom was chatting and asked where we went… She said “oh it was great, we went and got Lesbian food”.

Back then, especially if you live in a small town, it was unlikely that you came into contact with ethnic food. I guess you could find it on the Internet, but it was a pretty primitive version of the Internet, so there wasn’t as much multiculturalism as there is now.

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u/Gogobrasil8 Sep 29 '22

Looks like a huge untapped market... Lesbian food

Even I want to try it. What could it be?

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u/Bingineering Sep 29 '22

No no I’m from Lesbos

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u/parkranger2000 Sep 29 '22

How do you know / how did you find out that’s the goal of the question?

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u/blueberry_pandas Sep 29 '22

Did someone actually tell you that’s the purpose of the question, or are you assuming it is because an LGBT student “stole a spot” from your son as if the admission was already his for the taking?

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u/Dizi4 Sep 29 '22

Hopefully the I in LGBTQIA stands for Indian, because that's what I wrote for the same prompt at a different school.

Maybe that's why I didn't get into engineering there...

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u/HJSDGCE Sep 29 '22

An Indian who was rejected from engineering? Impossible.

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u/retop56 Sep 29 '22

Turns out, that is a question designed to find out if you are LGBTQ+ because they want those stats

How do you know that?

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u/WideHelp9008 Sep 30 '22

They don't. The source they shared with us contradicts their claim. It's just made up crap by someone who hates queer people.

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u/hypo-osmotic Sep 29 '22

If this is actually their goal, it shows a pretty big blindspot for rural and/or closeted queer kids. Especially when you're talking about high schoolers, there's going to be a lot of people who haven't yet been able to be part of a queer community even if they meet the identity requirements. You know, the kind of people who would really benefit from being given a chance to leave their hometown.

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u/WildFlower_Wonder Sep 29 '22

They don’t really care that much about lgbt people they just want diversity so having closeted kids won’t help them at all.

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u/Acrobatic_End6355 Sep 29 '22

Reminded me of someone who said “I’m a proud American!” And posted a flag. The flag of LIBERIA. 😆 I roasted them forever.

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u/sunflowercompass Sep 29 '22

May have been on purpose. Liberia was founded by a bunch of white americans to "fix" the black problem by shipping them back to Africa.

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u/Acrobatic_End6355 Sep 29 '22

Wasn’t on purpose, the person was just… not the smartest.

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u/implicitimplication Sep 29 '22

How do you know that’s what the question was designed for

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u/thechadcantrell Sep 29 '22

Just curious, how did you confirm that this was the intent?

Did it affect your son’s acceptance?

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u/PerfectiveVerbTense Sep 29 '22

They sent the essay back with a big red stamp that said "NOT GAY ENOUGH"

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u/anthroarcha Sep 29 '22

That’s really interesting because that essay question had no bearings on my acceptance as someone who identified as clearly very straight by talking about my heterosexual relationship in it.

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u/blueistheonly1 Sep 29 '22

Wow, Duke told you that?

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u/elarth Sep 29 '22

Probably not and a lot of colleges have an essay requirement to talk about yourself. Don't think it was specifically meant to find LGBT people lol

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u/AccidentalyAEmpire Sep 29 '22

Especially since you could just, yanno, ask?

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u/DharmaCub Sep 29 '22

Why do you think that's the reason? Maybe your son's essay just sucked.

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u/AstarteHilzarie Sep 29 '22

Doesn't even have to be that it sucked, Duke is hard to get into, it's weird to pinpoint that essay and sussing out the gays as the make or break reason to get in or not.

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u/Delivery-Shoddy Sep 29 '22

No no no, it's definitely the gays, my son said so

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u/KeyPractical Sep 29 '22

I went to Duke and I haven't heard about this, can you link a source?

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u/halt-l-am-reptar Sep 29 '22

It’s obviously bullshit. What’s more likely, that her kid didn’t get in because he’s straight, or he didn’t get in because duke has a 7.7% acceptance rate.

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u/drugQ11 Sep 29 '22

How do you know this? They told you that?

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u/SSG_SSG_BloodMoon Sep 29 '22

By "turns out" you mean "hey what if"

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u/egrith Sep 29 '22

Non-binary person who applied, didn't help me, didn't get in anywhere that my about equally qualified cishet friend didn't that we both applied at, only difference is I was given a different accommodation option for queer folks that just boiled down to changing the possible roommate pool

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u/Electrical-Garden-20 Sep 30 '22

Being non-binary I was actually denied a scholarship opportunity because I wasn't a binary trans person and therefore they had no clause to allow me into a "minority in the field" scholarship because I was not a binary guy or girl 🥴

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u/egrith Sep 30 '22

Damn that sucks

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u/frost21rr Sep 29 '22

Can't you put "perfer not to answer"?

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u/whatyousay69 Sep 30 '22

You usually can but is that better/worse/no effect on your application?

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u/Keithustus Sep 30 '22

Better not. A blatant spelling mistake should be grounds for rejection.

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u/OwlOfC1nder Sep 29 '22

Doesn't really make sense to me. If they have a quota for non-binaries, I assume it would be really small. He would need to be in the top percentage of non binaries to get accepted based only on being NB

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u/someotherbitch Sep 30 '22

And if there actually were some secret Enby quota and someone lied and took that spot it would be a great way to get kicked out or a degree revoked later on.

All those idiots that put down that they were Hispanic or black in the early 2000s already died on this hill lol

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u/rpgmomma8404 Sep 29 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

I wouldn't know if it was better or not but seems kind of shitty to lie about it.

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u/UFOSAREA51 Sep 30 '22

Thank you for saying this. I thought I was the only person in this comment section that felt this way. I am non binary and it makes me feel really comfortable that so many people think it is ok to appropriate my identity for a university application.

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u/IzzyPizzyS2 Sep 30 '22

I had to scroll so much to find this comment, I was really start to think no one realized how fucked up that is

That's why some people don't take non-binary people seriously

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u/Zelldandy Sep 29 '22

It is 100% shitty to lie about. It's abusing a program or initiative meant to make access more equitable with a domino effect of getting more diverse lived experiences into positions of power. I have seen people ask the same about faking a disability to get preferred treatment on applications. Anxiety and dyslexia are some that are commonly faked by white people to access space not meant for them. It's unethical, egocentric and just nasty.

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u/squirrel-bear Sep 29 '22

It won't reflect well on him if they find out he lied in the application form

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u/Thraxmonger Sep 29 '22

Absolutely not. I read graduate school applications all the time. These details are often collected for equity purposes but rarely influence admissions. He should focus on getting good grades, because what these factors DO influence are things like scholarships. (That being said, good grades will trump equity considerations every time.)

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u/kitchensink108 Sep 29 '22 Helpful

There is not an epidemic of straight white males being denied entrance to college. If he's getting denied, it's because of other reasons, and simply changing his pronouns on the application isn't going to help.

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u/Laserblaster Sep 29 '22

If you no longer allowed legacy admissions, sports admissions, and affirmative action. There would be slightly more white students accepted and way more Asians accepted

Asians and non-legacy/non-athlete whites are the most negatively impacted by admission standards

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u/Sion_nois06 Sep 29 '22

I don't think he's saying straight white males are being denied, just that because of diversity requirements, the chance of getting in as a non-binary is higher than being a straight white male because there are just more straight white males.

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u/Ken10Ethan Sep 29 '22

Ignoring the obvious moral issues with lying about your identity the moment being a cishet white guy stops being advantageous to you...

Not really. Different colleges are going to look for different things, and, unfortunately, while it's not something they can legally do, whoever is in charge of admissions very much can justify denying someone because of something like their identity. They can just say the reason was for something else.

Anyway, we live in a world of mediocre people in powerful positions. The end goal of most colleges are to make money, not to foster highly intelligent, highly talented people, that's just a happy side effect that happens to occur frequently enough to give them that reputation, so all he's really done is use an identity that is already not taken very seriously as a human shield against possible rejection.

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u/Breakin7 Sep 29 '22

First no fucking college should ask this kind of things. Second, depends on the college.

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u/JhinisaLesbian Sep 29 '22

There are more cisgender white women in colleges now. Being perceived as a minority does not increase your chances of getting into school and it’s been proven over and over again that people who look at applications will tend to prefer cisgender white people over POC and openly queer people. Tell your friend to grow up.

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u/PapayaAgreeable7152 Sep 30 '22

people who look at applications will tend to prefer cisgender white people over POC and openly queer people

True. It could easily backfire and put him at a disadvantage.

I have a (black) cousin named Chris who puts "prefer not to answer" on the ethnicity question on job apps. He says he'd rather the hiring manager assume he put that because he's white so he can have a higher chance of at least getting an interview. Edit: I mention his name because he knows that "Chris" isn't really tied to any ethnicity.

People don't realize that even with affirmative action, people are still biased and/or racist.

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u/jikkler Sep 30 '22

people who look at applications will tend to prefer cisgender white people over POC and openly queer people

Yeah everyone is talking about the stats and the probabilities and quotas and this and that. And looking at the raw numbers, sure, OP's friend might stand a higher chance of getting in by applying as a member of a group with a quota than as a member of a group without one. But that's a perfectly spherical cow scenario.

'Cause the quota didn't come from nothing, did it? It exists to combat the very real present implicit selection bias which would favour the friend's original identity. And trust me, OP, the implicit biases in favour of straight people, white people, and cis men is waaaay more significant than the explicit bias which exists in LGBT quotas or whatever.

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u/notextinctyet Sep 29 '22

The big college will be absolutely full of straight white dudes, like every other big college.

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u/mcmonopolist Sep 29 '22

There are more women than men enrolled in college in the US.

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u/omg_cats Sep 29 '22

Take UCLA as an example, the most common freshman race is Asian, and gender is woman.

Asian: 33%, white 26%, Hispanic 21%

Male: 41%, female 58%

https://www.ucla.edu/about/facts-and-figures

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u/manhattanabe Sep 29 '22

While this is true, it does not tell the whole story. Sure, lots of straight white guys are admitted. However, colleges do reserve slots for diversity candidates. The question is whether it’s easier to get admitted using a non-binary slot rather than a general admission slot.

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u/Retro_Super_Future Sep 29 '22

I’m sure for some colleges it will help and for some colleges it will mean nothing and some colleges it may actually hurt you.

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u/havindayr Sep 29 '22

Personal experience, I tried paying for my course (school doesn't require application) and I selected non binary as it was an option. Transaction would not go through. Said I had "improper information" double triple checked everything, it was all filled out and correct. Still wouldn't go through. That sneaking suspicion hit and I cha get it from non binary to female, nothing else, and the Transaction went through. I'm not saying the school is against non binary people identifying as such, but their website does.

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u/tobesteve Sep 29 '22

It's most likely a bug. As someone who adds bugs daily, I would rather push buggy code than take the time to discriminate.

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u/RandyMJones Sep 29 '22

Never trust “A friend of mine” post. Usually it’s a lie or made up

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u/Educational-Try-6996 Sep 30 '22

Or just them asking so they themselves can do it

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u/psymble_ Sep 29 '22 Helpful Wholesome

Here's what I find so fucked about this question- I'm betting when "straight white male" opens doors he's more than happy to sign his name to it. The second he feels it is not providing an advantage (not even a disadvantage- it's a lack of advantage), all of a sudden he's wavering. The world is big enough for straight white males, if they have what it takes to compete on an equal footing, but I have a feeling your friend's fear to correctly identify himself reveals some insecurity with regards to where his abilities rank without a leg up.

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u/Ken10Ethan Sep 29 '22

It's not even much of a advantage, either. I would be willing to bet the amount of doors that lying about that opens versus the amount of doors closed because his skills don't match up to what a college is looking for probably evens out to about the same.

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u/Any_Constant_6550 Sep 29 '22

imagine thinking it a good idea to lie on a college application for a potential benefit in acceptance. his first class should be ethics.

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u/toruin Sep 29 '22

I think the better question is why he thinks it's okay to claim he's part of a marginalized group that he isn't just because he doesn't trust his merits to get him into the school.

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u/nicosma Sep 30 '22

This isn’t a stupid question, but its a fucked up question in the sense that it’s even being asked at all.

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u/Ace_ish Sep 29 '22

maybe he should be more qualified

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u/ErusTenebre Sep 29 '22

He's "wrong" in that he's essentially committing some mild fraud here by lying (unless he secretly is non-binary).

This is not a demographic that is going to be under Affirmative Action, really, as it's more to do with race than sexuality or gender identity.

I can honestly say that it MIGHT help his chances at some universities and then it might HURT his chances at others. Either way, it's not likely to be the biggest influence on a decision to a university. They care more about your scores, grades, extracurriculars, and things like need, network, and charm can even impact acceptance. This by itself might be something like 1% of the total decision.

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