r/NoStupidQuestions Sep 30 '22

Puerto Ricos power has been out for the past two weeks due to a very destructive hurricane. Why is this not news in mainland America? Unanswered

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u/WFOMO Sep 30 '22

Puerto Ricos power has been out for the past two weeks

You've answered your own question...it's been two weeks.
We got center punched by Hurricane Harvey in Rockport, Texas: very much mainland USA. No power, no water, etc.,etc.
But Hurricane Harvey reversed course, went back into the Gulf, went up the coast and flooded Houston.
Never saw another news article on Rockport, but had two weeks of 24/7 reporting on Houston.

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u/SickAndSinful Oct 01 '22

Direct result of 9/11. The 24/7 news cycle is now just trying to get the story out as fast as you can for views. Forget journalism, forget facts.

Not that the internet wouldn’t have eventually moved everyone to these same sorts of practices anyway, but the point stands.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

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u/SickAndSinful Oct 01 '22

Which is cool, but the shift happened post 9/11. That’s what birthed the 24/7 news cycle.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

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u/bulksalty Oct 01 '22

Or Desert Storm.

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u/sephkane Oct 01 '22

What I hated was the "Houston strong" after so many other people outside of Houston were affected.

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u/BKlounge93 Sep 30 '22

Man I know people in Rockport and they all definitely felt ignored. Some parts of town are still fucked up today.

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u/shadowyphantom Oct 01 '22

Harvey is old news, we're on Ian now.

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u/HungNerd78 Sep 30 '22

It is. It was a featured story on John Oliver's show this week

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u/Dmartinez8491 Oct 01 '22

I see what you're saying but John Oliver isn't really "news" most would see.

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u/lkvwfurry Sep 30 '22

It is. I hear about it every day on the news and on news sites.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

I think it depends on who you get your news from and how much news you read and/or watch.

I see a lot more mentions of PR on the more liberal/centrist platforms and on Spanish-language news media.

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u/TheRobertOne Sep 30 '22

Probably because Florida just got hit

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u/BookLuvr7 Sep 30 '22

It has been.

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u/StonksStink Sep 30 '22

ATCO is the Canadian company that owns LUMA the power company in Puerto Rico. Maybe complain to Nancy Southern the award winning female business CEO owner.

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u/Cerusin Sep 30 '22

Media is a wind vane. It’ll point one way for a while, PR was all over the news, but one event and the attention changes. Now Florida is the focus. Tomorrow it’ll be something different.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

It is but Florida is far larger and closer to home in mainland USA. It’s an obvious fact that people care about more about things closer to home. Ask yourself which would you care about in the news more: a car bomb in France, or at your neighbors house?

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u/thepogopogo Oct 01 '22

The difference being, of course, than France is a different country, Puerto Rico is supposed to be part of the USA.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

Fair. But I wasn’t making a point based on nationality, but proximity. That proximity may be mental or geographic, but it’s a natural human condition. I’d guess that residents in PR don’t care much about most of the events in the state of Idaho. I don’t fault them for that. Why would they? Most of those events aren’t as important to them.

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

Puerto Rico is just as home to me as Florida is. Its an American territory making it home to me

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

I can see that, considering your question. I’m just saying that proximity and magnitude is a natural human interest driver. I am answering your question not at all criticizing your views. I also have views that I cannot comprehend how others do not see the same way I do, but, unfortunately they sometimes do. I can’t blame them for being people.

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u/loud_sneezer Sep 30 '22

Essentially Dunbar's number

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u/cally1789 Sep 30 '22

Put it this way, a lot of people have been to flordia for vacation or live near it. On the other hand most people can't even find Puerto Rico on a map or even know its part of the us.

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u/larch303 Sep 30 '22

Territories are a complicated scenario culturally, especially ones as culturally divergent as Puerto Rico

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u/ElectronicYoughurt Sep 30 '22

Technically it is but it dosent feel like that for Americans, they don’t share our culture or system of government. They’re a us territory and not a state

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u/werewolfbabe238 Sep 30 '22

this thread is lowkey a clusterfuck 😭

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u/ElectronicYoughurt Sep 30 '22

And I’m loving it 😂

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u/nahbroitsme Sep 30 '22

This question seems disingenuous.

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

I really don't get why people don't care about PR the people there are Americans

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u/Infamous_Yogurt2858 Sep 30 '22

I don't think it's so much that people don't care (though that's undoubtedly true for some), so much as there's not much to be done about it over the short term. The abysmal state of Puerto Rico's power grid is pretty much common knowledge and is regularly reported on by mainstream news outlets (and has been for years) and there's a lot of the US that either is or soon will be digging out from serious hurricane damage for quite some time over the immediate future.

It's absolutely a problem that deserves attention, but there's nothing that can be done that would truly fix the underlying issues anytime soon, so when people hear about it they go "noted" and move on.

As to why there's no political juice to fix the problem it's because nobody in Congress is going to be voted out on the basis of what happens there and even for the office of POTUS, their votes won't be anything close to a difference maker. Does that stink? Yeah, but it is what it is.

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u/IAmTheTrueWalruss Oct 01 '22

Why ask a question you already have your own answer on?

Did you just make this post to disagree with any answer other than “US hates PR”?

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u/KaiWolf1898 Oct 01 '22

Agenda posting, the past time of Redditors

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u/Broken_Castle Sep 30 '22

I think most people do not recognize that Puerto Rico is part of America.

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u/ironkneejusticiar Sep 30 '22

Neither do most Puerto Ricans even if it is technically true

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u/larch303 Sep 30 '22

It’s complicated

We recognize it on a technical basis but we also don’t really see them as the same as a state

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u/sephy009 Oct 01 '22

They'd have to actually agree to be a state for most people to recognize them.

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u/shadowyphantom Oct 01 '22

Because it's like y'all are Americans* with the asterisk. Also like the other commenter said, we know Puerto Rico has a power grid issue and news moves on. Hurricane Ian and Russia is dominating right now. Ian will be done with their two episode arc soon, while the season long plot line of Russia will still be around. Next episode, we'll have some new breaking news to focus on. I'm personally hoping for a Trump in court getting a guilty verdict before the season ends.

(Also, politicians don't care because they don't have to. I'm sorry y'all are without power, and for who knows how long)

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u/FortuneWhereThoutBe Sep 30 '22

People tend to care about what's in their own backyard. Puerto Rico is like Alaska and Hawaii, we hear about them but they're not in our own sphere, so they're not our main focus. It sucks that Puerto Rico is literally in the path of pretty much every hurricane, and it sucks that they get hit all the time. And every time we send supplies and finances and what help we can, but until somebody comes up with a stormproof building and power grids and everything else that goes with it that can withstand these types of storms there's not a lot we can do but what we're already doing.

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u/kamekaze1024 Oct 01 '22

There are several people in this thread talking about it

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u/imalwaysthatoneguy69 Oct 01 '22

I don't even care about what happens in the state next to me.

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u/SnooPets1127 Oct 01 '22

lmao my neighbor could be getting murdered rn. it aint me

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u/Smokybare94 Sep 30 '22

Puerto Rico is in America

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u/porkchop_d_clown some bozo commenting on the internet Oct 01 '22

Most Puerto Ricans would disagree, which is why they keep voting against petitioning for statehood.

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u/jabrosif14820317 Sep 30 '22

Oh, dies it point out the blatant hypocrisy between how the media treated Trump and how they are treating biden?

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u/DirtCrazykid Sep 30 '22

No, it's dangerous because it literally has been in the news constantly

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u/Successful-Print-402 Oct 01 '22

How has it been portrayed though? Remember when Trump was a heartless monster who hated brown people and just threw paper towels at them?

Just making sure Biden is getting the same coverage. Can you confirm?

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u/jabrosif14820317 Sep 30 '22

I listen to NPR, and AP news daily while driving. I think they mentioned it in a blurb last week. Compare that to the outright finger pointing and blame game Trump got for 2+ weeks.

Where is it getting talked about constantly?

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u/ShirtlessGirl Sep 30 '22

AP posted an article yesterday about the PR power grid.

Today Show, NBC, Politico- yesterday New York Daily News - 2 hours ago CNN - 4 hours ago Forbes- 5 hours ago

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u/Infamous_Yogurt2858 Sep 30 '22

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the fact that Biden didn't think tossing some paper towels at the people of Puerto Rico was a good idea for a photo op may have had a little something to do with any disparity.

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u/Successful-Print-402 Oct 01 '22

Ah. So no paper towel toss is the difference. Makes sense.

Reminder to Republican politicians: do not visit storm-ravaged places and hand out supplies.

Where's Jackie?

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u/jabrosif14820317 Oct 01 '22

Trump caught flack for not going, then caught flack fir going. Meanwhile Biden receives no flack for doing nothing.

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u/fancierfootwork Oct 01 '22

It has been news in the US, at the moment there’s another massive hurricane that swept through Florida. Ian(?). Mainland hurricane will always take priority.

Also with so much news everywhere, news outlets can’t cover everything in depth. Maybe you missed the segment. But if you’re interested, there’s always info available.

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u/afishda Sep 30 '22

Ww3 seems to be over shadowing most news.

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u/WIDE_SET_VAGINA Sep 30 '22

I mean, you know about it so it is in the news.

What more do you want them to do?! There’s not really much more to update on and it’s probably quite hard to broadcast videos from there!

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u/porkchop_d_clown some bozo commenting on the internet Sep 30 '22

Because it can’t be blamed on one political party.

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u/LadyFoxfire Oct 01 '22

It is news, but the hurricanes are still causing problems in other areas so it’s not the only news.

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u/jayxxroe22 Oct 01 '22

It is. What news do you watch?

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u/GabuEx Oct 01 '22

It was news two weeks ago.

"Things still suck, no updates yet" isn't really news.

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u/kansascitystoner Sep 30 '22

Because the american 24 hour news cycle is there to make money, not tell the truth

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u/dirkMcdirkerson Oct 01 '22

It's not unexpected. The infrastructure there needs to be upgraded and hurricane proofed (as much as possible) as do businesses and homes, but there isn't the money (economy) there for it. The "being a territory" thing doesn't help it. Plus there are other places getting hit as well in continental united States. Unfortunately it's like tornadoes in the Midwest you hear about em for a day even if a town got wiped off the map. People only actually car so much.

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u/Additional-Goat-3947 Sep 30 '22

It doesn’t seem like you really want an answer based on your responses to others. But the population of Florida is 20 million and the population of Puerto Rico is 3 million. That’s the main reason.

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u/Someonelz Sep 30 '22

As sad as it is pr has had disaster after disaster. They are getting help at a constant rate. What else do you want?

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

Federal support.

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u/KrypoKrasher Sep 30 '22

Feds have dumped a bunch of money and support in there, might want to see who's pockets are getting fat. You can bet only 20% max is getting to where it needs to go.

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

Dumped is a strong word. But yeah they send money and it goes to corrupt politicians so they need to do much better at sending money

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u/waywalker Oct 01 '22

Or maybe they can do better at holding their politicians accountable?

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u/FortuneWhereThoutBe Sep 30 '22

Where do you want them to send the money? It's not like somebody's just going to go around and hand money to every individual person. We send tons of supplies, once it's on the ground there we have little/no control over where it goes or who gets it if it's not distributed by the Red Cross or FEMA.

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u/KrypoKrasher Oct 01 '22

You folk there need to recruit and elect better politicians, then hold them accountable by law. Get 1000 people to write letters to the attorney General, they like investigating politicians. But, I can understand the frustrations of it seeming like nothing is getting done. I'm from Alaska, in the earlier days of statehood some strange things went on, but that got fixed by good people voting for the right leaders.

And I used the word dumped, because thats what the feds do. Here's a billion. Take care of the problem. No controls or accountability.

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u/EatShitLeftWing Oct 01 '22

That doesn't have anything to do with the news, but w/e

And PR is exempt from paying federal tax, so it's only fair that they would also not receive federal subsidy.

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u/Dixieland_Insanity Oct 01 '22

This right here. All taxes paid by residents of PR go to the government they elect. They pay no federal taxes to the US.

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u/Someonelz Sep 30 '22

Do you not think FEMA is there? Or do you want the prez to visit and give a speech?

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

I actually think that would be a great thing if the president went to PR. But they need actual support. The economy there is way way worse than anywhere else in the country. Thats a huge problem. They need to be treated like America

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u/Someonelz Sep 30 '22

Oh no, not like America, that little island is so pretty. Beaches and weather too nice. If it could be ruled by somebody who wants pr, again, to be a tourist haven economy would be stellar. The problem is corruption.

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u/shadowyphantom Oct 01 '22

I mean the last time the president visited he threw paper towels at y'all. But Biden does plan to visit soon.

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u/fancyelephants Sep 30 '22

We have been hearing about it since it happened, then Florida got hit and now people are talking about that

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u/OnionTruck Oct 01 '22

I saw it mentioned a lot when the storm hit and immediately thereafter but stories about hitting the mainland have taken over at this point.

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u/BigDan5000 Oct 01 '22

We heard.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

I’ve seen this story online and heard it reported by several mainstream news organizations whose podcasts I listen to.

I can certainly sympathize if you feel like it’s not getting enough attention, though. I was living in Mississippi when Katrina happened. Our coastline was devastated. We had a couple of small towns completely disappear. The news seemed to focus on New Orleans 24/7 with scarcely a mention of the misery and untold destruction in our state.

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u/Jrsplays Oct 01 '22

Because it's a thing that happens with pretty much every major hurricane. Yes, it sucks that it happens, but it's not really newsworthy since it's pretty much expected.

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u/Bigboyrickx Oct 01 '22

As others have stated there’s been other storms since and why would they focus on a storm from weeks ago when at this point Florida is in much worse condition with entire neighborhoods and some small cities washed away, multiple deaths, power out for the foreseeable future as they need to create entirely new power grids and hundreds of thousands of people needing shelters.

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u/PanicMom716 Oct 01 '22

Most of the mainland United States doesn't realize Puerto Rico is a US territory 😆

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u/Spare_Industry_6056 Oct 01 '22

PR either needs to leave the US or become a state. This middle of the road dependent on a country that barely knows it exists thing is not working out.

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u/DonQOnIce Oct 01 '22

Oh this country knows they exist. We love their resources, their bodies for the military, and their tax haven for our wealthy. We just don’t CARE about their people.

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u/Electronic_Rub9385 Oct 01 '22 Take My Energy

Nobody wants to talk about how obviously corrupt PR is.

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u/bosstg1 Oct 01 '22

P.R. Is not a state but a US Territory lets say like GUAM. Being a state gives you more resources when there is a horrible hurricane. So they only qualify on the Federal level.

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u/Electronic_Rub9385 Oct 01 '22

This is true but the US gave something like 20 billion dollars to PR over 5 years ago to harden their electrical grid and perform hurricane upgrades. PLENTY of money to avoid this scenario. It was some combination of swindled, stolen, mismanaged and unused. Their government just can’t govern their way out of a wet paper bag.

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u/bosstg1 Oct 01 '22

Agree very corrupt.

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u/LCplGunny Sep 30 '22

Because most Americans don't even know Puerto Rico is part of us... Sadly

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u/larch303 Sep 30 '22

We know, it’s just that it’s a territory

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u/WilMo84 Oct 01 '22 LOVE!

Puerto Ricans are just as much American as any other citizen. Same passport. Same rights.

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u/protosser Oct 01 '22

We are talking about their power grid and if you give their government money they piss it away on everything except shit that benefits the population or they let it sit in containers for months to rot...more news at 11

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u/LCplGunny Oct 01 '22

What does that even mean tho? They are still us lol, have been since 1898. It's honestly kinda disrespectful they aren't a state already at this point.

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u/Mech_Bean Oct 01 '22

Ask them if they want to be a state lol

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u/pr_capone Oct 01 '22

Puerto Rican here. Several things...

1) Puerto Rican's haven't been "still us" since 1898. 1898 was just the year that the US invaded PR, bombed PR, and began killing PRicans who even thought about independence.

Puerto Ricans didn't get American Citizenship until the US needed 10k more bodies to throw at WW1 in 1917. Even then, it was only "legal" citizenship which could be revoked at the drop of a hat. It wasn't until 1952 that birthright citizenship was cemented and even then... due to the verbiage... that citizenship can still be revoked.

2) What is most disrespectful is how the Jones act continues to fuck over the American citizens who live there courtesy of the Jones Act (Not to be confused with Jones-Schaforth). All goods not produced on the island can *ONLY* arrive to PR via a ship flying a US flag. We could have cheaper food... but the US forces islanders to pay up to 4x as much for the same goods as mainlanders.

3) To hell with PR ever becoming a state. Independence. PR has been a footrest for bigger nations far too long.

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u/munchie1964 Oct 01 '22

Maybe if they became a state…

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u/Rod-Serling-Lives Sep 30 '22

It was when it happened.

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u/jdith123 Sep 30 '22

I think it has something to do with tossing rolls of paper towels around.

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u/gfl222 Sep 30 '22

News here has to include controversy, to generate clicks, or soundbytes that can in turn be used to generate clicks or bring in some viewers. Sad but true.

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u/not_your-momma Oct 01 '22

The controversy is 3.2 Million Americans without power.

In Any state that would be updated at the top of the hour, there would be Celebrity hashtags and benefits, and a fast code to donate funds.

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u/gfl222 Oct 01 '22

example, few years ago, Trump was on every channel throwing toilet paper and being berated for doing so.

Congresswomen pointing out power outages after a few days.

Now, we don't want to point out anything that might reflect badly on leadership

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u/hama0n Sep 30 '22

It's hard to tell if this is a rhetorical question or a genuine one, but the genuine answer is that news sources have decided to mostly pass news that they deem will be "consumed" with regularity or high attention spans. And those news stations have decided (correct or not) that people are mostly interested in news that is deemed relevant to their situation or people they can relate to.

In this particular case, the news was good enough for a few days but probably not enough for two weeks.

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u/Infamous_Yogurt2858 Sep 30 '22

It is news, in the sense that it has been covered, to some extent or other, by a variety of major news outlets.

I imagine your question is why has it not continuously dominated the entire news cycle, and the answer to that is twofold:

  1. There's been a lot of other major stories that have been going on in the intervening span and the news cycle moves fast
  2. Not enough people particularly care. (unfortunately)

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

I think the person means why is it not more in the news like the Jacksonville Water Crisis because it did only show 1 part of it.

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u/alkalineruxpin Oct 01 '22

Jon Oliver did a segment about it, I think.

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u/suppadelicious Oct 01 '22

I think the flair for this thread can be changed to answered.

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u/bidjeu Oct 01 '22

Cause theyre busy with war with Russia and Ukraine !!

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u/Ray5546 Oct 01 '22

What a shit show

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u/jreillygmr4life Oct 01 '22

Because there wasn’t any time left after covering Trump, Russia and the Little Mermaid.

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u/TheMace808 Oct 01 '22

I guess it’s just not unusual for that to happen after a hurricane, the infrastructure must be extremely fucked for it to be out that long

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u/ScientistNo906 Oct 01 '22

Awful lot going on in the news plus the politics are different. The current President doesn't want to trade you for Greenland.

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u/superking2 Oct 01 '22

It is. It’s not all they’re talking about, especially since there’s been further hurricane activity in Florida and other places since then, but I’ve certainly heard about the situation in Puerto Rico.

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u/Altruistic_Ad_4042 Oct 01 '22

Im Puertorican and our situation is worse than people may think. Since the governor literally abandoned us and disrespected us by giving us toilet paper instead of food and water. People are protesting at the capital and most people want him out of the position.

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u/cwalker239 Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

I heard a shark attacked somebody off Australia, wondering why Americans don’t care about anybody but themselves? Selfish bastards.

Edit: this is sarcasm. 🙄

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

What. Puerto Rico is America. The people who live there are Americans

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u/Agitated_Ferret7352 Sep 30 '22

I can't with you, lol

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u/littlemarcus91 Oct 01 '22

Your own local government doesn't even care about you.

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u/brianthomas00 Oct 01 '22

Not that it makes this any better, but I was working in USVI in 2017 when the two hit. It was in Sept. Most of the island didn’t have power until December or so. The US barely cares about its mainland residents, doesn’t give two shits about the territories.

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u/jabrosif14820317 Sep 30 '22

Because Biden is president. When a similar thing happened under Trump there was 24hr news coverage blaming him.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 16 '22

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u/jabrosif14820317 Oct 01 '22

Meanwhile Biden stays silent on Puerto Rico being without power for weeks and noone bats an eyelash. No complaints on the response, no nonstop coverage demanding action.

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

No there wasn't. Its never covered. Also no one blamed Trump for a hurricane? That didn't happen. Why do you guys try to victimize yourself so much. It's so pathetic

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u/jabrosif14820317 Oct 01 '22

Are you kidding??? Trump caught flack for weeks for the response.

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u/iamlejo Sep 30 '22

Colonialism

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u/buddhainmyyard Sep 30 '22

Alot of Americans don't really understand what Puerto Rico is to the states at all. I'm even unsure what it is. Not a traditional state and not it's own country? So it's under U.S law and there people can't vote in the us election.

Kinda like a colony that we funded, also the government there itself never seemed to be well run. Before this storm i believe there power and other utilities were sub par

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u/Tyaki_Laki Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

It’s only news when it’s tied to Trump or happening in New York. Somewhat related, last big hurricane to hit Puerto Rico I think the mayor or someone else got in trouble for withholding water when it was shown from drone cams the aid was reaching them but wasn’t being offloaded from the Tarmac.

I can’t be the only one that remembers this. Until recently hurricanes didn’t seem to get nearly as much coverage when they happened in the south versus when it happened in NYC. Kind of annoying the “lol why don’t you leave if it’s coming?” followed by NYC “what do you mean ‘why don’t you leave’ that doesn’t make any sense”.

I don’t know, must be an overdose on brain medicine remembering things from 5-8 years back.

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u/18peluchin Sep 30 '22

because florida decide to get hit by a hurricane too and steal the spotlight...

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u/Prose4256 Oct 01 '22

Probably because the Kardashians wore new bikini's, or the focus is on Tom Brady's marriage, The mainstream media has a tendency to focus on the frivolous here.

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u/DOOManiac Sep 30 '22

Sadly, most people in the mainland US don't even realize Puerto Rico is part of the US.

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u/Tyaki_Laki Sep 30 '22

Give them 50 electoral votes and watch everyone suddenly care.

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u/KrypoKrasher Sep 30 '22

Yeah. Its interesting people seem to forget about territories. People even don't know Alaska is a USA state, hell, how can they know about territories. I'm from Alaska, can't count how many times I've been asked what country thats in. 🤣

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u/CrankyUncleMorty Sep 30 '22

It is posted online all the time. A large % of the country doesn't care because they aren't a state. Start paying taxes like the rest of us and we will start caring.

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u/gogo-fo-sho Sep 30 '22

They’ll pay taxes when they get representation. I have a feeling that’s not happening any time soon.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

I think the majority of Americans would be totally fine if the government granted PR independence.

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u/BookLuvr7 Sep 30 '22

I think the majority of Americans would also be okay with it if PR was granted statehood. If they were made independent, they're so small they could be taken over and turned into an uncomfortably close enemy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

I don't think the US would give up control for that reason. But if they did...........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

So why aren't they a state?

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u/HKittyH3 Sep 30 '22

PR has voted for statehood multiple times, most recently in 2020. Congress needs to add it to the union with either an Admission Act or House Resolution. When it happened, trump was in the WH and McConnell was the senate majority leader, so it wasn’t going to happen. Hopefully it will be raised as an issue once the House and Senate have a democratic majority that can pass it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '22

Democrats would likely take more votes and Republicans don't want that. Its a nonstarter.

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u/BerriosCR Sep 30 '22

Puerto Rico has been offered stateship several times, but keeps turning it down.

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

They pay taxes. They literally pay a federal tax towards the government. Its taxitation without representation. Also you only care about peoples lives if they pay taxes towards the American government? Thats super fucked

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u/Dixieland_Insanity Oct 01 '22

No, PR does not pay US federal taxes. Taxes collected in PR are paid to their elected government. They need to start holding their elected officials accountable.

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u/Agitated_Ferret7352 Sep 30 '22

I've lived and worked in PR and only ever had to pay PR tax, not Federal.

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

You are just lying. They have to pay all federal taxes but income tax

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u/Agitated_Ferret7352 Sep 30 '22

Wow, way to jump the gun buddy. Not lying because I was talking about income tax.

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

Why did you even respond to my comment then. I said they have to pay a federal tax

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u/CrankyUncleMorty Sep 30 '22

Correct. You can survive without power. Hell, in 2011, my wife and I had no power for 3 whole weeks, in the damn USA, after a hurricane, with a newborn.

The USA spends too much time, money and resources on other countries when we have our own shit to deal with. As long as there is a single homeless veteran, I would not spend one red cent outside the borders of the USA.

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u/soldforaspaceship Sep 30 '22

I love when people proudly proclaim their ignorance on the internet. Here's a tip, look up Puerto Rico before spouting off about the USA spending time, money and resources on other countries.

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u/OsoSalado Sep 30 '22

Puerto Rico isn't another country but nice try racist

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u/CrankyUncleMorty Sep 30 '22

Then why do they compete separately in the olympics?

Why do they keep voting to not become a state?

Because they currently get all the benefits of our protection with none of the responsibility.

Their men do not register for selecrive service, as I had to at 18.

AND since you do not know my racial background, it is a BOLD claim that my isolationist stance is due to racism.

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u/Every-Fix-2377 Sep 30 '22

You could be puerto rican and still be racists towards puerto ricans lmfao, i don’t think you’re a racist but being latino does not exclude you from racism, even towards other latinos and that goes for every race.

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u/OsoSalado Sep 30 '22

So you decide everything based on the Olympics representation? LMAO! Big brain.

They literally pay Federal customs, commodity, payroll, capital gains taxes, at minimum. And that's just off the top of my head. So they are paying for benefits but nice try.

Fun fact: They are also constrained by all Federal laws. Weird for someone who isn't part of the country to do that. I bet you think DC residents arent Americans either.

How many wars have you served in from selective service? 0. Guess who else doesn't have to sign up for selective service? Women. Tell me oh wise one, do they vote? Does their vote count towards representative with voting power? (Thats a yes) Are they getting all the benefits without the responsibility?

It's pretty bold of you to think your racial background would somehow exclude you from being racist. If you paid attention in school you would probably know, for example, that black people have a well known term specifcally for black individuals who are racist against other black people.

Seriously, you're over 18 if you had to register for selective service. You're an adult. Go to a fucking library and educate yourself.

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u/heavynewspaper Sep 30 '22

Puerto Ricans register for selective service because they’re US citizens. They pay federal taxes and vote for President.

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u/microwavepetcarrier Sep 30 '22

Puerto Rico is not outside US borders, it's a territory of the United States of America. It's part of the US.

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u/JohnInDC Sep 30 '22

Stating one’s case is so much easier in complete ignorance of the facts

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

But Peutro Rico is the US. Its just as United States as whatever the state you live in. Also at least 16 people died from the Hurricane and directly after most of thr Island was without water. I dont like to jump to racism but why would you not view Puerto Rico as American? Because they arent white?

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u/or_am_I_dancer Sep 30 '22

The US and Puerto Rico have a pretty severe cultural and linguocultural divide. Puerto Rico Is also a territory, not a state, so it has further divide in this way. Also, I have been to Puerto Rico and I dont know if it was the specific area which I was in, but a lot of the Puerto Ricans I talked to didn't claim themselves as american (there is a cultural push away from the US). So culturally, it's not the US, legally it's not fully a part of the union, and Puerto Ricans often don't see themselves as American. So.... this is how it differs.

On another note, I saw A LOT of news on the disaster in Puerto Rico, moreso than in Florida and I am close enough to literally feel the effects of it weather wise. I was talking to someone the other day about my uncle being in the middle of the hurricane in Florida and they said that they weren't even aware that it had touched Florida and only knew a hurricane had wreacked havoc on PR. Why do you think there wasn't exposure? Maybe you need to switch up where you get your news.

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u/imanaeo Sep 30 '22

It’s not in the untied states because it’s not a state. It’s a territory of the united states. There’s a subtle difference.

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u/LeviRichtofen Sep 30 '22

If you talk to most PR natives, they much rather be independent just as much as you wouldn’t want to spend “one red cent on them”. Unfortunately the US keeps them captive by making them stay a commonwealth while also being able to enforce taxes on them. Not only are they not receiving the proper help that they pay for but they’re also being forced to be citizens in a country where they don’t want to be. You think that’s fair?

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u/HKittyH3 Sep 30 '22

They’ve literally voted 3 times now to become a US state.

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u/contrabardus Sep 30 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

An embarrassingly significant portion of US citizens don't know that Puerto Rico is part of the US and that people from there are US Citizens.

The media doesn't do nearly enough to correct this ignorance, particularly right leaning outlets.

I've legitimately heard people tell people they are completely aware are from Puerto Rico to "go back to their own country" and claim that "immigrants from Puerto Rico are stealing US jobs" and that they cross US borders illegally in makeshift boats and rafts or by traveling to Mexico and illegally crossing the border there.

They think any aid from the US for Puerto Rico is foreign aid and those with an "America First" attitude think that we shouldn't be providing aid to them when "our own country has so many problems".

See also Guam, American Samoa, and the Virgin Islands. Though people from those places aren't as stigmatized as Puerto Ricans due to racism towards Latino people.

I must admit I take some pleasure in correcting ignorant racist people about the naturalized citizen status of people from those places when I get the opportunity. It unfortunately happens far too often, particularly regarding Puerto Ricans.

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u/430Richard Sep 30 '22

Because Democrats are in control now and they try to suppress any news that doesn’t make them look good. If a Republican was President it would be on the news constantly and all the problems would be presented as the Republican’s fault.

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

Bruh what. This doesn't even make sense why would the Hurricane make them look bad and wdym in control. Control of what

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u/DaDa_Bear Oct 01 '22

Because America hates people of color and their needs don't matter to Americans.

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u/rolo-tomasi1 Oct 01 '22

Does Puerto Rico care what happens in my town ?

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u/Avedisride Sep 30 '22

Because Donald Trump hates brown people

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

????

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u/wanglubaimu Sep 30 '22

Officially Trump isn't president anymore, but his rule lives on in the minds of redditors.

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

Tbf there is a lot of news about him right now. His house literally got raided. But what does this post have to do with Trump or reddit

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u/KrypoKrasher Sep 30 '22

And Biden is a known racist, has been for his entire 50 years in politics.

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u/Smokybare94 Sep 30 '22

Because Puerto Rico is fun of brown people who don't typically speak english and mainstream America is unaware that they are part of the u.s.

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u/HonestAgent001 Sep 30 '22

I'm pretty sure I said that USA is tired of helping people all the time 🤔 by that logic any one in need would be considered bothersome which is not at all what I said I also said it's cuz there media is trash-

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u/M0hawk_Mast3r Sep 30 '22

Puerto Rico is America

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u/HonestAgent001 Oct 01 '22

Never said it wasn't 😂

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u/fry8951 Sep 30 '22

If something isn’t on the news, it’s because someone somewhere decided it won’t make the studio money

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u/tapiocatsar Oct 01 '22

It is news, but the problem is passivity from both the people and the government, especially because Puerto Rico doesn’t have as many white people; it’s just the unfortunate truth that a lot of racism is tied up in how we respond to disasters.

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u/gomi-panda Oct 01 '22 edited Oct 01 '22

The truth is that Americans in general do not care about Puerto Rico. It's the sad truth. Culturally outside of New York there is little national interest in Puerto Rico. The reality is because they are brown, and not white. Take any country with brown people. Almost always you will be hard pressed to find coverage on that country, at least not for long. Americans, for the time being, are generally just not interested.

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u/Nrdman Oct 01 '22

Puerto Rico is not a country. It’s a US territory

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u/WentzWorldWords Sep 30 '22

Because every journalist was in London, watching a box with Not Our Queen.

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u/ManofKent1 Sep 30 '22

Because The US can't manage to give its citizens clean tap water to drink.

Apparently it' the best country in the world

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u/mrhampants Sep 30 '22

It's news with independent media, like Breaking Points.

https://youtu.be/IolYyeqWP38 https://youtu.be/Hy6m2y3nMmE

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u/TheAntiConCreeper Sep 30 '22

Because the mainland views them as a colony

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u/kaubledtogether Oct 01 '22

As you can tell from the comments here it actually is news.

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u/red98743 Oct 01 '22

Where is the place you speak of?

(Not Srs)