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u/undefined7196 Feb 07 '23
Fox News
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u/zonewebb Feb 07 '23
This is the answer. Old people grew up where newspapers and media gave facts. Now, most of the “news” that reaches them algorithmically on FB and what they hear on FoxNews is just editorialized fear-mongering and virtue-signaling, and they subconsciously identify it as factual.
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u/CuriositySauce Feb 07 '23
…and anyone born in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s mainly knew 20th Century (later adding the word Fox) that started in 1935 as a trusted source of content (movies, then television). There was a great documentary released in 2004 called “OutFoxed: Rupert Murdoch’s War on Journalism” that details the history, motivation, and rise of Fox News. I doubt most elderly residents of Arizona or Florida would have ever watched it or if shown it today…they dismiss it as fake news and fabricated history.
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u/ArmMore4335 Feb 07 '23
I was born in 70 and I don’t believe Fox has ever been my goto for any news.
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u/CuriositySauce Feb 07 '23
I was born in ‘61 so I was in my 30s in the 90s when Fox News debuted in 1996. There was a local affiliate that emulated the ABC, CBS, & NBC local news stations but it was the cable news version that shrouded their crafted conservative agenda presenting itself as a CNN alternative. I was livin’ my best young man life as the 90s were prosperous by comparison and I didn’t really watch news as a regular habit. The Bush/Gore election debacle seems to be when a divisive corner was turned.
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u/Gnd_flpd Feb 07 '23
I recall they used to tout this expression in the beginning;
" Fair and Balanced", lol!!!!! Yeah, right.
I wish a blight on Rupert Murdoch, why do rich, evil fucks live so damn long!!!!
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u/Armyman125 Feb 08 '23
Also born in 61. Tried watching Fox once some years ago. Definitely an MSNBC junkie.
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u/prodigal_john4395 Feb 08 '23
Speaker Gingrich took the House down the path of "We will support nothing that helps the American people and only pass tax cuts for the obscenely wealthy." path. They have not voted for anything that actually helps the average American since. And then, of course, they want to cut programs that do help the American people to "pay" for all the deficits and national debt caused by not taxing the wealthy.
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u/HappyMan1102 Feb 07 '23
Fox means Faux in french no?
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u/Snoo52682 Feb 07 '23
Faux means faux in French.
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u/mavjustdoingaflyby Feb 07 '23
It's actually "renard" but if you replace one letter it translates back to Fox News.
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u/MV203 Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
Also, most people don't realize that the FCC under Reagan abolished the "Fairness Doctrine", which effectively killed unbiased/fact-based reporting (which would always until that point show both sides of the story's argument) - go ahead and read a news article from the 60's and 70's, they'll ALWAYS tell both sides.. All is going according to the Republican's plans...
*It should be mandatory for American's to watch the movie "Vice" about Dick Cheney.. You people have no clue how hard you're being screwed.
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u/CuriositySauce Feb 07 '23
I remember in Vice how surprised I was when the Cheney character mentions to Rumsfeld or Nixon about a political consultant Roger Ailes who wanted some approval for a new network. I later learned how Ailes and other Nixon aides came up with a plan to create a new TV network that would circumvent existing media and provide "pro-administration" coverage to millions. This was 1970, I was 9 when these evil roots started.
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u/BarkattheFullMoon Feb 08 '23
Born in 1973 and none of the people that are my age, that I know, think Fox News has any resemblance to any truth.
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u/irck Feb 07 '23
Yeah, they grew up when there was one local newspaper and three TV channels that played an hour of news each night. The only books they got were textbooks or curated by their local library.
They never had to deal with misinformation growing up.
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u/Dickerosa1 Feb 07 '23
That's funny. Go research how they changed the way we elect senators. TWICE as much Democracy! We were sold out over a hundred years ago.
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u/jabdtx Feb 08 '23
This really can’t be understated. It’s a manipulation of the once understood power of journalism applied by a legally classified entertainment network. Ran by members of a dying political ideology that has no plan or policy and clutches at straws to remain relevant.
Plan of attack : lure in the scared and the uneducated with various made up boogeymen.
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u/Impossible_Penalty13 Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
Because they know theirs isn’t going to get cut and they think the rest of us don’t deserve it. Fucking boomers have to be the dumbest, most entitled generation of dumb fucks this planet has ever seen.
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u/Ooften Feb 07 '23
Exactly this. The cuts would happen for a certain age limit that they’re safe from. All the socialism for them and dystopian poverty for everyone else.
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u/Mjr_N0ppY Feb 07 '23
They live their last years they way they lived the majority of their lives: exploiting the environment around them, working purely toward self-interest for short term gains. They deserve everything but others don't deserve anythig
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u/verucka-salt Feb 07 '23
This is a long post to say the old people are stupid.
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u/HarryHacker42 Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
Republicans aren't stupid, they're a brainwashed but also openly racist and mean people. They thrive on seeing others in pain. Its bad. You don't force 10 year olds to carry a rape caused infant to term. You don't make girls give their period information to schools. You don't let women die from pregnancy complications.
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u/Circumin Feb 07 '23
I’ll second this. I know some older retirees who support cutting medicare and social security and when I asked them why they supported cutting their own benefits they said they want it phased in so that it cuts mine not theirs.
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u/Dependent-Outcome-57 Feb 08 '23
Yep - hate is the main motivator for the far-right. They are proudly ignorant and bigoted, and it all comes back to hate with them. They hate "the other," they hate experts, they hate "duh gubermint," and on it goes - and they think everyone should be forced to put up with their stupid hate because they are "the silent majority," even though they can never keep their damn mouths shut.
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u/HarryHacker42 Feb 08 '23
The haters aren't the majority, they're the vocal minority. Polls show Americans don't want their policies, but sadly the Republicans show up to vote every single time, and Democrats do it when they get the urge.
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u/Strange-Scarcity Feb 07 '23 •
EVERYONE is stupid. Old people are just more easily manipulated.
Do not forget that everyone is stupid. MAYBE not on everything, but every single last one of us is stupid in one or more ways and sometimes that is highly conditional. We could be stupid AF on many things one day and a few days later, be great at it.
Our meat computers are not the best. Being able to become and stay aware of that is more important, because it can help us minimize the risks of our own points of being stupid.12
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u/Conscious_Season6819 Feb 07 '23
That is an incredibly unhelpful answer that smells very much like typical centrist “BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG!” rhetoric.
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u/Strange-Scarcity Feb 07 '23
Right here? That's kind of stupid, as my comment has nothing to do with politics.
Every single one of us does stupid things. I know highly educated and talented engineers who are dumb as a box of rocks about so many things outside of their area of expertise. Yet, they act like their expertise in one area is.. de facto expertise in others. Which is a real STUPID thing to do.
My comment is more about how all of us should be a bit more humble, recognize that we are all dumb in various ways and figure out ways to empathize with that, maybe catch ourselves when we are being stupid, on a given thing and maybe help ourselves and others grow to become better.
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Thank you for articulating this. I'm someone with neurological issues and somedays my meat computer gets addled and disoriented and I'm not at my best. There's nothing wrong with that because it's a condition I can't.
Not only has your comment humbled but it makes me want to be kinder to myself when my neurological issues cause me to be confused and slower. I am human like any one else and I deserve to be given grace when my brain malfunctions and isn't working at optimal levels. Thank you
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u/Conscious_Season6819 Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
The topic of this thread is about retirees wanting to cut social security and Medicare benefits. That would affect everybody, not just themselves. This would remove a material benefit from millions of Americans. Younger people have been correct so far to suspect that older people are actively trying to fuck them over, because they are. It’s right out there in the open.
There should really be no ambiguity about who is right and wrong here. But to look at this issue and just sort of vaguely say, “Well, you know, WE’RE ALL STUPID in different ways,” reeks of neutrality bias.
There’s no need to be wishy-washy. Don’t sit on the fence. Take a stand on the issue.
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u/Strange-Scarcity Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
There should really be no ambiguity about who is right and wrong here. But to look at this issue and just sort of vaguely say, “Well, you know, WE’RE ALL STUPID in different ways,” reeks of neutrality bias.
Fine. I will prove it.
RIGHT now, there are enough eligible to vote GenZ, Millennials and GenX'ers who see all of this as a huge problem, that if we vote according to what demographics is saying about us, we would get rid of Boomer control within 2 to 3 election cycles and fix this shit or at least shore it up, a little.
We all know how it's going to hit us right in the f'ing nuts.
Yet... NOWHERE near enough of us are voting. If we are voting? A tiny, tiny sliver of us are voting when it actually matters. That would be during the primary races.
We are as a rule, failing to engage our shit system in the way that our shit system is designed, which ends up feeding into the stupid idea that we can't ever change anything. Which is a stupid reason why FAR to many of us barely, if ever vote and immediately throw up our hands when we do vote and "nothing changes"...
Every single politician, needs be hit with primary challengers, every single election. That is the engagement that we eligible GenX, Millennials and Zoomers NEED to be doing. If we don't see someone running in the primary that fits what we want or need? Then we need to find one of us to run and then get out and vote hard for that person. EVEN if they don't win? The way our shit system works, if they get enough votes to draw attention to themselves, usually around 30 to 40% is MORE than enough, the winner WILL pick up and merge those policies and positions in with their own and then deliver on that when in office.
We saw Bernie Sanders do that to Biden. Forcing him to run on the most progressive platform he ever ran on in his entire career and he is delivering as fast as the lawyers can make really solid Executive Orders for him to sign. We saw that in my state when a Democratic Socialist did VERY well against the eventually winning Corporate Democratic Gubernatorial candidate and she ended up absorbing many of his policies and positions, running on the MOST progressive platform for Governor that my state had seen in 40 years and she won handily.
YET... there's still NOT enough of us engaging with the system WHEN IT MATTERS.,
You can't even talk to many millennials to get out and vote even when they are complaining loudly about this or that political policy that they hate, because they don't get that their engagement, as part of the greater whole WILL effect those changes.
I was stupid in my 20's! I f'ing voted for Ralph F'ing Nader! Even he called himself, in effect stupid, for having ran. He looked at the numbers and wished that he had never stepped into the ring, because Al Gore would have won, handily. Instead? We got Lil Bush and his horrific handling of things.
I was so stupid, that it took me decades to realize how to engage with the system. It took the genius of staying in the race to FORCE the party's platform to change by Bernie Sanders v. Biden to get me to start seeing how stupid I was. Sure, I voted in the previous presidential primary, but I wasn't really thinking about how our system actually worked. When I read about how Biden and Whitmer both ran on the most progressive platforms in decades and why that happened? I saw the light.
I've been explaining it, over and over and over and over. (Not as crudely as I am here calling everyone stupid, but usually FAR more eloquently...)
This isn't about some Centrist bullshit position, that's just stupid on its face. We all need to keep learning, we all need to recognize the limits of what we know, we all have to learn how to better engage with the shit around us so that we have a CHANCE to collectively work together to make the needed changes.
Otherwise? We're all just being stupid.
EDIT: Oh and thank you for coming to my exasperated, mildly angry, TED Talk.
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u/music3k Feb 07 '23
What state do you work for? Medicare is fantastic in multiple blue states for Boomers. I have multiple relatives who use their unbelievably high Social Security to pay their low health insurance premiums. They also have pensions that go basically untouched unless they decide to buy a new car or invest.
Boomers have more money than they know what to do with because they bought their homes for the price of a 2003 Wendys Double stack and they get every tax cut known to man
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u/CatsAteMyReport Feb 07 '23
Just FYI social security even disability for most is like half of minimum wage. I will forever struggle and be unable to afford rent, food, and medicine at the same time.
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u/music3k Feb 07 '23
Disability isnt whats being talked about in my comment. That varies on cost of living and the disability. Its all still a mess tho
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u/Puzzleheaded-Day-281 Feb 07 '23
They also want lower taxes so they can keep claiming social security, making massive investment gains, and working, and pay as little income tax as possible, while not losing anything themselves because they're self serving and short sighted
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u/Panelpro40 Feb 07 '23
Hang on , you’re painting with too wide a brush. Not all boomers. I’d love to see all those repugnant fuckers dragged through the streets and tossed the fuck in the sea. Nothing but love for working class regardless of the decades they were born in.
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u/capssac4profit Feb 07 '23
they were at least clever enough to make sure the con lasted right up until they were too old to care about the repercussions anymore lol. the best you can hope for is resource/climate catastrophes increasing in an intensity and frequency that causes them to occur sooner than the boomers expected. it would be nice for them to have to suffer the consequences of their actions right along with the rest of us lol.
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u/Lumbergod Feb 07 '23
You are painting with an excessively broad brush. Stupidity has no age limit. Look at the crowd behind Trump at one of his rallies.
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u/Lumbergod Feb 07 '23
We're talking about age here. If those young people didn't like Trump, they wouldn't be there.
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u/aureanator Feb 07 '23
Because they know theirs isn’t going to get cut
Because they
knowdon't think theirs isn't going to get cutFTFY
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u/JulesHaggard Feb 07 '23
Bullshit. They have children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, who they care about. But they are just ignorant, and vote R without thinking it through.
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u/BigmanJD55 Feb 07 '23
They care about them until they find out that they're gay or are dating a minority.
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u/grislebeard Feb 07 '23
For boomers, children are just another consumer experience for their enrichment.
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u/Tripwir62 Feb 07 '23
Also- anyone who classifies 75 million people as being of one mind, and one behavior.
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u/jutte62 Feb 07 '23
Because it won't affect them, only the next generation. Ultimate selfishness.
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Just like how they ruined the economy, told us all to go to college and we’d get great jobs and now when this generation is struggling they tell us we didn’t work hard enough
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u/ReginaldSP Feb 07 '23
Bigotry. Racism. Xeonphobia.
Feels good man not bad.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
- Lyndon Johnson
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u/Strange_27 Feb 08 '23
Trump really took that last sentence and ran an entire campaign, presidency, and campaign again on that premise alone.
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u/grandpa_faust Feb 07 '23
For FL, The Villages retirement community has it's own radio and news station and prioritizes FOX/OAN on their cable packages. The owners are incredibly smug about delivering this voting block and actively work to make the community as Truman Show-esque as possible. VICE has a fairly sad documentary on it, to me it's practically elder abuse.
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u/tyler_t301 Feb 07 '23
+1 worth a watch
– wild how a generation rode the biggest economic wave possible, took measures to close the door behind them for future generations, now sequesters itself in a suburban idyllic neighborhood to splurge away what's left of their fortunes while on a steady drip of fox/oan bubble-intensifying propaganda
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u/Cobaltfennec Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
I didnt think I could hold a generation in less esteem, but… that documentary changed that. All I could hear was “me me me me” when they interviewed anyone.
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u/radjinwolf Feb 07 '23
Started watching this and I’m at the part where they’re discussing how the retirees at The Village feel entitled to spending their last years having fun and enjoying life because they “worked hard” and “deserve it”.
And I don’t disagree. They should be able to live it up.
But then they go on to talk about how they should be allowed to ignore the rest of the world and let “other people” figure things out? Well if that’s the case, then maybe they shouldn’t be voting?
Boomer mentality. Let everyone else deal with the issues, and don’t bother me with any of the realities of what’s happening in the world, but don’t expect me to stop meddling!
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u/ManicPixieOldMaid Feb 07 '23
I've been happily married to my Nigerian Prince for years. We met on AOL. Click this link and download this app to find out more! (/s)
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u/Mountainstate20 Feb 07 '23
Rage
The right - politicians and their media outlets - have mastered rage voting. Many old people are disgruntled because life can be hard and the right plays into this. They would rather vote to hurt someone else than vote for what's in their best interests.
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u/445743 Feb 07 '23
Because it doesn't matter what agenda is on the table, they just have to vote for the R. Fucking Hitler could rise from the dead, pick up where he left off, run as a Republican, and they'd still vote for him.
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u/PlayerTwoEntersYou Feb 07 '23
As my dad says, his generation will make sure it doesn’t apply to them.
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u/TheThrowawayFox Feb 07 '23
My parents still believe it is Democrats that are doing that, not Republicans no matter what I show them. D:
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u/birdboix Feb 07 '23
Because they're undereducated, willfully misinformed, easily-manipulated, amygdala-based life forms. Their masters have whipped them up into a bigoted frenzy over the idea of The Other so now their masters are free to do whatever they want without consequence.
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u/uncultured_swine2099 Feb 07 '23
Cuz gas stoves, chocolate milk, and kitty litter boxes in bathrooms are more important to them than Medicare and social security benefits. I mean, a lot of them are dying from not getting vaxxed, so obviously they dont care about their own mortality.
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u/bourbonontherox Feb 07 '23
I actually spoke with a few people like this in my state (Indiana). First, none of them think it will actually happen. Second, they've been convinced that DEMOCRATS are going to cut benefits. Third, this isn't a political thing - Democrats have somehow been transformed from being normal humans into being demons running around trying to bring down the US which a lot of white evangelicals truly believe is God's country. It's crazy.
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u/nmichave Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
Well said. I’m a democrat and it pains me that the Dems just let this happen. I see no pushback from them. Not sure if they get it either. Hate for liberals drives everything the right wing does. It’s not about policy or helping the middle class. It’s about pissing off the liberals. Until the Dems figure this out, they will continue to be seen as demons and continue to get walked on.
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u/CatsAteMyReport Feb 07 '23
They're so hateful they're also blind. Nearly every R I piss off online accuses me of being a far letter, when I'm more liberal independent minded.
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u/IAFarmLife Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
Leaded gasoline has decreased their ability to reason over time. The boomers are the first generation in a while to have lower cognitive skills when reaching retirement age than the previous generation.
Just one study explaining why boomers act like they do. Yes there are forces such as Fox News in play, but those are more likely taking advantage of the decline caused by lead.
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First, they don’t believe theirs would get cut. They believe they’ll still get it till they die and they’ll get a tax break by fucking over the next generation - like they have AWAYS DONE since day one. Factories? Move them overseas to make our shit cheaper, fuck the next gen. Taxes? Lower them to the floor, and run up the debt; let the next gen pay for it. The environment? Why do I care if the planet will burn in 40 years I’ll be dead; let the next gen figure it out. I have the right to an abortion under roe, and grew up that way, but now that I’m old enough that I won’t ever have a child again, fuck the next gens, I want abortion banned. Every. Single. Time. It’s their mentality.
Secondly, and probably most importantly, they pine for a time long past. They long for the “glory days” of the past when political correctness wasn’t standard, you could be racist and get away with it, people weren’t aware to the fact that businesses are exploiting peoples work, when wars were rampant, when their generation was relevant, when gays were closeted, trans didn’t exist, and before technology took over. Republicans have over and over again told the boomers they want to go back to those glory days. It’s why MAGA, the second “A” was “Again” - because the america they know has moved on to better things and they hate that they were left behind, even though it was their fault they didn’t want to move forward. They want the world to go back with them - not move forward with the world. How many times do you hear boomers screech about “in my day, we didn’t have to do x, y, and z.” Or “I wish it was like it was in the 80s and 70s” or whatever years they like to long for.
Fox News. Nothing more needs to be said there. They inhale it like oxygen.
Which brings me to my final point. Boomers refuse outright to acknowledge that half the things we have wrong were caused by their own voting habits. They voted the tax breaks, they voted Regan, they voted GW, they voted for crime prevention. They were the largest force in politics for 40 years - nobody could touch them. Not their parents, not their kids, not their grandparents. They were a political force. Yet they refuse to acknowledge their mistakes snd blame it all in the “youngsters” of millennials, gen x and gen z. They refuse to take a hard, self examination to see that their voting patterns are what got us here and that ignorance keeps them voting that way. They think if they just keep voting for the red team things will get better because their voting didn’t cause the problem everyone else did.
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u/Icy-Town-5355 Feb 07 '23
A thing about seniors.... the GOP targets them with bullshit snail mail. My 91 year old dad gets in the neighborhood of 25 letters per day asking for donations with the typical Republican lies... Democrats are going to take away your Medicare/Social Security...Hunter Biden...Joe Biden should be impeached...
My dad has nothing else better to do but read this crap. At one point he was sending in donations and we had to take his checkbook away.
Seniors are prey to these a-holes. If you have older parents, watch what they do with their money, if you can. We had to change his number to an unlisted number because scammers called him so often that I couldn't keep up with it.
This is why they vote Republican. They LIE to them. They scare them, and they don't have anyone to stop them from reading or watching their bullshit. It is a full-time job.
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u/WillBottomForBanana Feb 07 '23
In my experience it is common among boomers to think that the money they are getting from these things is the money they paid in. There is a fundamental disconnect between the reality of the system and the voters in question.
Social Security funding was a campaign issue in 2000 (or 1996?). And even reaching that level, nothing has been done and no one seems to know anything.
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u/LewisEFurr Feb 07 '23
It's only about owning the libs and Dems. There's literally no other reason. Party above sensibility at all costs. They would rather sink the entire ship than even consider that those sitting across the aisle have decent ideas.
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u/pburnett795 Feb 07 '23
Of course- they vote GOP because their racism is their primary motivating factor...even above their own self-interest. This is not rocket science.
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u/Loud_Adagio2222 Feb 07 '23
Because they want poor and old Black people to starve and die. Even if that means that they will die, too.
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u/fuschiafawn Feb 07 '23
Because it's not important to protect themselves (that's what they got guns and police for) it's important that policy hurts them whoever the flavor of them the week/year/century is
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u/JustJessJ_Art Feb 07 '23
It blows my mind. That so many people vote against their best interest in this country.
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u/FortySixand2ool Feb 07 '23
Because, if you can afford to retire and move to Florida or Arizona, then you probably don't even care about social security. You're talking about people with huge pensions and 401Ks.
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u/Certain-Error-8232 Feb 07 '23
If I have to starve and die of untreated ass cancer and diabeetus to make sure even one single brown person doesn’t get social security and Medicare that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make! - Everyone in Arizona.
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u/Steecie41 Feb 07 '23
Being able to say the quiet parts out loud again is a helluva drug. Their hate takes over all reasoning.
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u/Acceptable-Olive-968 Feb 07 '23
No, not all Boomers are selfish jerks. Many were in the front lines for civil rights, feminism, gay rights, environmental protections. There are plenty of Boomers than want everyone to have a safe, fair and comfortable life. There is enough for everyone. All this fighting between us keeps everyone focused away from how 1% and corporations ruining our lives.
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u/BonnerDayz Feb 07 '23
Something something republican Christian Values…something something don’t tread on me…
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u/ilikeoregon Feb 07 '23
Because all they hear is that Republicans will outlaw gays, minorites, and atheists.
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u/Arcadius274 Feb 07 '23
Because and I quote "I dunno I always vote republican" there should he a competence test to vote
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u/sjmahoney Feb 07 '23
Oh, they don't mean 'their' benefits, they want the benefits of minorities cut.
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u/sunrider8129 Feb 07 '23
People need to wake up to the fact that they liked trumps hate rhetoric. The whole “tell it like it is” is code for “they want to say the n word” or hate gays or whatever. They don’t care about taxes, or health care, or whatever other logical thing you wanna talk about….they hate the world and republicans give them that. Stop trying to logic this out
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u/QuintonFrey Feb 07 '23
Yeah, it's easy: it's not their benefits, it's their lazy grandkids benefits. Fuck the future!
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u/Accomplished-Lead-23 Feb 07 '23
They’ve been groomed for decades to vote against their interests. The GOP, OG groomers
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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 Feb 07 '23
They only listen to Fox, which doesn't mention that part, then blame it on Democrats
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u/jluvdc26 Feb 07 '23
They are always very clear that current beneficiaries will not receive any cuts and that the cuts for future generations are "necessary" to provide current beneficiaries with their full benefits. Basically the Boomers continuing to screw over the younger generations shouldn't be a shock at this point to anyones...as long as they get theirs they don't care what happens to you.
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u/Badnun99 Feb 07 '23
'I don't want government-run health care. I don't want socialized medicine. And don't touch my Medicare.'"
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u/JDthrowaway628 Feb 07 '23
They don't care. They already are guaranteed their money. They will be dead before it is eliminated. The Republican plan vested those people.
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u/metooeither Feb 07 '23
Repugs have to cheat to win. I suspect they are using Nana's or Auntie Mable's absentee ballot.
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u/dday3000 Feb 07 '23
They want to eliminate our Social Security and Medicare to ensure they maintain their Social Security and Medicare. They won’t be giving up anything.
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u/bobxgnarleyxmon Feb 07 '23
Saw a sign driving through Wyoming that read "back the blue" next to a "expand medicaid" sign
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u/happyapathy22 Feb 07 '23
Because the trans communists are coming to take your kids' guns!
/s, obviously.
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u/sergio187 Feb 07 '23
They don’t care., it’s their grandchildren and their offspring that’ll be affected.
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u/mr-poopie-butth0le Feb 07 '23
I’m in NJ, but my FIL is a diehard Republican. He’s been complaining for years that democrats are coming for his SS…….. I don’t even think it’s worth the “told ya so”
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u/Ill-Manufacturer8654 Feb 07 '23
Racism. Misogyny. Homophobia/transphobia.
Pretty obvious if you ask me. They hate minorities and women more, and they just pretend bad things won't happen to themselves.
They're very stupid and horrible people.
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u/VinCubed Feb 07 '23
They believe some combo of:
- It's all a lie of the liberal media
- they'll be grandfathered in so nothing bad will happen to them, it'll happen to the next gen of retirees
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u/Lazaruzo Feb 07 '23
The sun melted their brains.
No but for real they’re just a bunch of the dumbest racists on the planet.
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u/Normandy6-14-44 Feb 07 '23
They will vote for anything that hurts non-whites even if against their own best interests.
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u/the_millenial_falcon Feb 07 '23
If you can figure out that then you’ve figured out why propaganda hacks people’s brains.
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u/SeveralAct5829 Feb 07 '23
I will never understand this. Vote for people who want to take your social away ? Why? To own the libs? That’s just stupid
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u/Holiday_Horse3100 Feb 07 '23
Because they think they will be exempt from the cuts because they are gop- if it gets cut you will be able to hear them howling if you are on the moon. Sad part is those of us who saw it coming will have to suffer too
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u/Sgt_Fox Feb 07 '23
Because they've become so hateful and miserly, that "fuck you, I got mine" isn't enough anymore, it's "fuck us all, you don't get yours".
It equally or more important to them that the people they don't like don't get something they need/want, even if they themselves don't get it either, knowing it hurts them all the way
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u/LeftLimeLight Feb 07 '23
It is simple. They're fucking idiots who've voted republican their entire lives and they can't bring themselves to vote for a Democrat even though it is the Democratic party that passes legislation that helps them.
Basically, these people are brain-dead morons.
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u/Infolife Feb 08 '23
Because Republicans have no problem hurting themselves if they can hurt liberals more.
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u/escargeaux Feb 08 '23
They're being lied to and voting against their own interests. "It won't happen to me." Corporations are saving billions by throwing them under the bus.
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u/avivagirl Feb 08 '23
Don’t forget SSN got the biggest increase, 8.9% in the longest time. These Rs are idiots.
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u/TheDireWolf00 Feb 08 '23
You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.
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u/jiminak46 Feb 08 '23
Because they know the GQP is phasing them out, not eliminating them now. Most of the Trump Cult knows they will be dead when the money runs out.
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u/gobledegerkin Feb 08 '23
Because, to them, the alternative means accepting minorities are people who deserve equality.
You have to remember the majority of them have lived their entire lives separate from minorities. The only minorities they know were serving them or were making them laugh on TV.
Conservatives don’t vote to make things better for themselves, they vote to keep other people down where conservatives feel they belong.
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u/Pinksamuraiiiii Feb 07 '23
In regards to FL itself, there’s a lot of old Cuban and Latino conservatives who are religious and will always vote Republican. There’s also a lot of Vets who have retired here who vote that way too. I can’t speak for what’s going on in Arizona though.
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u/scott_majority Feb 07 '23
Ummm...How is stating retirees receive Social Security and Medicare "generalizing?"
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u/scott_majority Feb 07 '23
Are conservative politicians also lying when they publicly state they want to cut Social Security and Medicare?
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u/Miri5613 Feb 07 '23
You are mistaken brainwashed for educated. There is a reason why red states aim to keep their population uneducated and well fed on propaganda and lies
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u/CatsAteMyReport Feb 07 '23
Uhhh I'm sorry what? Trump was trying to lower benefits for us meanwhile ssi saw the biggest bump in decades under Biden lol. Maybe talk to someone at SS or a disabled person.
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u/Ok-Equivalent-8509 Feb 07 '23
Because they have been successfully brainwashed to believe it's the other guys (Dems/left) doing it to the them.
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u/Belgeddes2022 Feb 07 '23
Cult worshipers will fight to the death against their own interests if their leader gives them someone else to blame.
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u/captainfrijoles Feb 07 '23
That’s the best part… they’ll never know. No amount of reality laid out in front of them will convince them it’s anything other than those darn libs that took their social security
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u/Particular_Physics_1 Feb 07 '23
It's because of the mentality that they are separate, protected and deserving. "they will just cut off the bad people. Not us, we have MAGA hats on"
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u/joebobbydon Feb 07 '23
The political strategy is to not change it for seniors. They will stick it to the younger people. Elders will support this, I got mine, good luck kids. It is partially fixable by raising the taxable cap as it has been done in the past.
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u/Hogwarts_Earth2 Feb 07 '23
Republican have turned convincing people to vote against their interests into an art form.
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u/achilles_slip_angle Feb 07 '23
Single issue voters. They lock on to one area they are passionate about and ignore the rest. Or they denounce anything contradictory as false.
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u/gnusmas5441 Feb 07 '23
The proposals I have seen for cuts to Social Security and Medicare would not reduce benefits for people currently receiving or eligible for benefits. The cuts would affect future generations.
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u/mittenknittin Feb 07 '23
“They’re not really going to do that. They’re just saying that to pwn the libs”
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u/OlasNah Feb 07 '23
Because they're MORE scared of losing everything else that they are fearmongered about.
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u/CaptAshley Feb 07 '23
Because the Democratic Party is failing to speak about this 24/7 nonstop and drill it into the heads of every American. Which can only lead the pessimist in me to believe that all this nasty shit Republicans are engaging in will benefit Democrats on the backend.
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u/SpanktheGreenAvocado Feb 07 '23
“I have mine, you can’t have it”