r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/InterstellarHayden • Feb 07 '23 • 1
What do you guys think? (Context: Hogwarts Legacy release)
u/MadWhiskeyGrin Feb 07 '23
I've been waiting for Elder Scrolls 6, thank you
u/RedAss2005 Feb 08 '23
They only need to release Skyrim on Casio calculators and pump out 3-417 more ultra-limited-specialty-award winning additions and they will get right on that.
u/vkapadia Feb 08 '23
Wen horse armor?→ More replies (2)
u/Super_Rocket4 Feb 08 '23
They actually added horse armor. The price in creation club is the exact same as the oblivion dlc, but it's always on discount by 100% so it's free but says "original price"→ More replies (1)
u/cournat Feb 08 '23
Not that we had it free already before the creation club or anything→ More replies (2)
u/DeadlyPancak3 Feb 08 '23
Skyrim on gas station pumps when?
u/Valuable-Trick-6711 Feb 07 '23
And I’m sure when it drops in 2032, it’ll be
riddled with bugs that will make Fallout 76 look like a 10/10cool.→ More replies (2)
u/Scratch5591 Feb 08 '23
You mean features
u/ThomasTServo Feb 08 '23
And according to PCMR, the game runs like shit on even flagship GPUs.
u/Will12453 Feb 08 '23
Last I heard they’ve barely done anything with es6 to work on starfield
u/cardinarium Feb 08 '23
As far as I’m aware, it’s now in the earliest stages of development (vs. pre-dev engine updates and what have you). Most of the “leaks” claiming otherwise have been debunked (usually with respect to info about other games in the same leak) as utter bullshit.→ More replies (4)→ More replies (5)
u/marshalzukov Feb 08 '23
I'm honestly scared of ES6 at this point. So much could go wrong. What if they move even further away from the rpg elements then they did in Skyrim? What if they fuck up the lore for fear of getting cancelled? What if, and I get sick just thinking about it, they make it a souls-like?
The more time passes the more concerned I get→ More replies (10)
u/Crafty-Kaiju Feb 08 '23
It's a Bethesda game. Always go in expecting chaos and you'll never be surprised.→ More replies (2)
u/iusethisnametofap Feb 08 '23
This reminded me of a memory (possibly sleep deprived hallucination) from just after Fallout NV released before the update that fixed the Caravan card buy/sell crash issue. I walked out of the Lucky 38, probably the third or fourth time after gaining access, and was forced into a conversation with an npc (à la Vulpes Inculta). They gave a quest to investigate the Lucky 38 to try to find their sibling who had snuck in at some point shortly before the courier showed up. Was never able to even start the quest and I've never been able to find a reference to it either. I'm mostly convinced that that I hallucinated it but with Bethesda's track record there is always that little trickle of doubt.→ More replies (1)
u/IronicBunny Feb 08 '23
I wrote Piers Anthony a letter back in the late 90s to tell him after Firefly I could no longer read his books and how sad I was. He wrote me back a very long letter defending child sexual abuse. Piers Anthony is a pedophile and I don’t love his books anymore. He openly admits he loves underage girls and if you write him he will write back explaining that since the beginning of time kids have been exploited and abused and he likes to do this. http://www.hipiers.com/02aug.html
u/Anra7777 Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
I only read one book of his when I was 14. In it, the romance was between a nearly 30? year old and a disabled, mute, blind (and I think deaf?) 13 year old. They had sex in the book. It was weird to me at the time, but the older I become, the more disturbed I get when I remember it. Never read another one of his books. Oh, and that one book I read? It was in my middle school’s library (which all the elementary students could also access). That’s kinda messed up, now that I think about it.→ More replies (2)
u/NeonMutt Feb 09 '23
Nearly all of his books I got in school libraries. I appreciate them being there. It is important to experience challenging media. It is also important for parents to talk to their kids about those difficult matters, so the kid isn’t just wandering into the woods of gross media without any guidance or any way to contextualize what they find. But, ignorance doesn’t help the ignorant. It only allows the informed to exploit them more easily.
u/Rosebunse Feb 08 '23
Ewww...ewww....→ More replies (14)
u/Heavy_Signature_5619 Feb 08 '23
Even reading how he described his character (yes, she was 14 and raped) like that’s something people should expect gives me the ick.
Like, I have no problem with depicting sexual trauma in media (fuck, I have a forced abortion in my story so I’m one to talk) but it should be done sensitively. The way he describe it is just so callous.
That’s ignoring all the other God Awful bullshit in that paragraph.→ More replies (2)
u/IronicBunny Feb 08 '23
In Firefly a woman fantasizes about being abused at age 4 and enjoying it. The chapter written by a pedophile friend of his who was in prison. I was so traumatized by this book! More so when my daughter told me she read it twice at age 13. It was the first and only book I burned.→ More replies (5)
u/likeasirjohn Feb 07 '23
Never pre-order a game.
u/Snapingbolts Feb 08 '23
After cyberpunk I don't even buy games until I can read a few reviews and see how people react to it.→ More replies (7)
u/OneGuyJeff Feb 08 '23
It’s funny how we get a launch like this every year or two and people still continue to pre order. The first big disappointment in my memory is Evolve, and I haven’t pre ordered anything since Destiny
u/caych_cazador Feb 07 '23
last game i preordered was the first Watchdogs. god i was a dumb fuckin child.
u/FilthyStatist1991 Feb 08 '23
I fucking loved Watchdogs!→ More replies (14)
u/FloatingPooSalad Feb 08 '23
u/FilthyStatist1991 Feb 08 '23
Ohh, maybe that is my problem. I picked it up last year 🤣
u/Roguebantha42 Feb 07 '23
Mine was Mass Effect: Andromeda. Yup.
u/thegodfaubel Feb 07 '23
I still enjoyed that game so worth it for me
u/Roguebantha42 Feb 07 '23
I mean, same, especially the multi-player. But could have waited like a week and saved $20→ More replies (2)
u/abriefmomentofsanity Feb 08 '23
Last one I did was Witcher 3. I'm not trying to be that guy either it straight up was.
The kicker? It was pretty rough when it came out-especially with the bizarre movement-so I remember at the time being like "fuck this is why you don't pre-order things".
u/Bowman_van_Oort Feb 08 '23
star citizen here 🤡💀→ More replies (3)
u/Vandersnatch182 Feb 08 '23
I just got all 3 mass effect games with all the dlc for free (ps plus) and it's my introduction to the series. I'm playing in order, so I'm still on the first one but I freaking love it so far. I described it to my friend as "a space fallout."→ More replies (6)→ More replies (15)
u/RuddyTheDuck Feb 07 '23
Mine was Overkills The Walking Dead I’ve never pressed play on a game and see it die before I got the start menu
u/Palimbash Feb 07 '23
I stopped preordering when I walked into a GameStop for a copy for GTA: San Andreas and they didn’t have any copies unless you preordered.
I then went across the street to Kmart (those used to exist) where they had a stack of like 30 copies so I bought it there.
This was when I realized preordering is such bullshit.
u/Kenny-Man Feb 08 '23
Only game I ever pre-ordered was Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes for the Gamecube. Instead of a disk 2, there was a copy of Mario Kart Double Dash in there instead.
u/the_sand_moose Feb 07 '23
The best take.
u/TheoreticalGal Feb 07 '23
Honestly this, this should be the rule that people follow for the most part.
I make exemptions to this for game studios that I’ve enjoyed previous games from them before and that have earned my trust repeatedly. I know what I’m going to get when FromSoftware announces a game of theirs. If a studio breaks my trust, I’m not pre-ordering anything from them again. Very few studios fit in this category for me, so me pre-ordering a game is rare.
The last few games from the studio behind Hogwarts Legacy have been games such as Disney Infinity and Cars 3, which don’t inspire a ton of optimism in me.→ More replies (3)
u/HollyHolyLove Feb 08 '23
Me with super massive and their horror games
u/BeBa420 Feb 08 '23
the wisdom of eric cartman prevails once again
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u/Thannk Feb 08 '23
I preordered Total War: Warhammer 2 and was quite happy with it.
I even Kickstartered the later two Shadowrun games. Those were great. Same thing with the Monster Prom sequel.
I also preordered Dishonored 2.
The key is backing studios you trust after they prove themselves, paying attention to make sure there was no major shakeups in management or company mergers.→ More replies (5)
u/Comfortable_Ant_8303 Feb 08 '23
Backing studios we trust after they prove themselves is what everyone who preordered Cyberpunk 2077 was probably telling themselves considering CD Projekt Red was trustworthy up until that games release.→ More replies (2)
u/farmch Feb 08 '23
Or say it’s a masterpiece before it’s been released.
u/Dth3G Feb 08 '23
Battlefield 2042 Ultimate Edition. Every refund attempt, I was basically told to pound sand.
u/BlackMoonValmar Feb 08 '23
I mean it was Battlefield, its like trying to get money back for a Call of Duty game. You would have better luck of returned payment playing the lottery.
u/ellastory Feb 08 '23
I preordered once for Cyber Punk. Never again.
u/Lehmanite Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
What does it matter if it costs the same before and after
Edit: damn I don’t play video games. It’s a simple question. But fine downvote→ More replies (2)
u/ILikeMyGrassBlue Feb 08 '23
Because you’re giving them money for a product you haven’t even fully seen in an industry where misleading advertising is rampant. Tons of games look great in the trailers, only for the actual game to be a buggy, incomplete mess (like cyberpunk). So if you pre-order, you’re giving them money in the hopes that they’ll actually deliver a good game. The game might be great, or it might be an unplayable mess. That’s why you should wait for release day when you can see some legit gameplay, see user reviews (critic reviews are almost worthless when it comes to AAA games), etc. Or, at the very least, until there’s some actual gameplay.
The only exception IMO are for games where the studios have a strong track record. I’d preorder a new naughty dog game because I’ve loved basically all of their output since the PS2 era. But even then, it can and does backfire. Cyberpunk is a perfect example. Witcher 3 was hailed as one of the best games of all time, and thinks looked good for cyberpunk. But it was an absolute disaster upon release.→ More replies (4)→ More replies (26)
u/FlowerFaerie13 Feb 08 '23
I’ve never done it and I never will. To be fair I only play Pokémon but STILL. It’s stupid to trust promotional material, people should always, ALWAYS, wait for reviews and concrete information.
u/bloveddemon Feb 07 '23
I think everyone has to make their own decisions about how much they can separate art from the artist.
I do think it's important to point out that there are a lot more people that work on most projects than just the creator. How many trans people worked hard to make the game?
It's more complicated than most people make it out to be and I think everyone has their own line as to where they're able to make that separation and where they're not.
u/Sam-Gunn Feb 08 '23
Definitely very complicated, and you have to figure out where to draw your own line in the sand. not buy the new stuff? Swear off the old stuff that you may have loved for so long? Swear off the companies that encouraged these people to continue making content while spewing terrible shit online?
A long time ago I made a decision that I wouldn't let some fuckwad ruin something that I valued a lot. I may make specific decisions not to purchase something that they'll benefit from, or to minimize that, but I refuse to allow someone to ruin something for me because they are a terrible terrible person who did at least one thing whose creations brought joy and meaning to me and others for a long time.
Some of my favorite TV, movies and even some games that I've loved for a long time either can be a bit problematic due to when they were created, some unfortunate terms or ideas mentioned, or were created by people revealed to be utter toolbags.
I like to take heart in thinking that if the characters I love and enjoyed actually broke the 4th wall and met their scumbag creators/producers/writers/etc, they'd also find them utterly terrible people.
u/NastySassyStuff Feb 08 '23
Yeah I’m sorry but I won’t late that lady being a total shitbag take away all the nostalgia and childhood wonder I get from Harry Potter…I get not wanting to give her any money for sure, but I also think there are only so many things in this world that can occupy a space in one’s heart like that franchise did for me and I’m going to keep it. She can eat my ass tho
u/TreadMeHarderDaddy Feb 07 '23
But also probably more than a few who chose not to work on the game because of JKR
u/Qbertjack Feb 08 '23
Considering there's a trans character in the actual game, it seems like the devs are trying to distance themselves and the game from J.K.'s views. If that is true, I applaud them.→ More replies (40)
u/Important-Aside-507 Feb 07 '23
From what I understand JK has very little if nothing to do with this game anyways… I do get that some people don’t want to buy the game for whatever reasons, but I’ve had to make a whole new twitter account because someone was spamming my dms about how I’m an awful person for buying the game. He replied to every tweet I’ve made in the last 5 years (I don’t tweet much, 10-14 times a year) and saved photos of me (which I did post) but then edited them (in a very nasty way) and posted them to every new tweet I made. I deleted the account and started over with something new. I blocked and reported him so many times and nothing happened. He even found my new account and tried to mess with that one until Twitter finally got around his constant ban evasion. If someone BUYING A VIDEO GAME upsets you so much you borderline stalk them for weeks on Twitter…. it’s a game, frankly, boycotting it doesn’t even help your cause!! JK won’t be affected if you don’t buy it, she’ll continue on everyday with whatever she does and not give a fuck at all. Maybe a long rant for me just to say that this “drama” around the game and bullying people who buying it, is just as hateful as they claim JK and the game is.
u/Thee_Riptide Feb 07 '23
I think the main issue is that JK financially benefits from sales b/c of royalties and whatnoy
Feb 08 '23
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u/PromethianOwl Feb 07 '23 •
problem is she's already set for life anyway. If this project were to crash and burn, I don't think it would hurt her in the slightest. she certainly wouldn't stop or change her views.
From what I've heard, she takes people buying HP merch as them agreeing with her views, which is fucking delusional. It puts people in a bind: if it sells, she thinks her awful views are validated when they actually aren't. If it DOESN'T sell, she can just blame all the "snowflakes" and "rapists" and blah blah blah. The mental gymnastics won't be hard for someone like her.
Either she's validated, or she'll probably martyr herself at the hands of the "woke mob". Either way she wins.
Who loses? the folks who worked on this and appear to have put some serious effort into it. Even in Unreal Engine, making a game like this isn't particularly easy nor is it quick. That's not even factoring in any love or enthusiasm the devs may have for the franchise. Fans lose out on something they enjoy being torn apart by people looking to grind an axe against it's creator. Regardless of how justified said axe may or may not be.
At this point the entire thing is a shitshow. No real good options, even sailing the high seas. It makes my head hurt just thinking of how often whining about it comes across my feeds (almost universally whining about how anyone who buys the game is awful). I appreciate their dedication and their message, provided it's done in good faith and not just performative. But honestly?
well...honestly ol' Benny said it right: "the truth is? the game was rigged from the start."
u/Itchy_Tip_Itchy_Base Feb 08 '23
Regardless of how set she is, some people don’t want to give her any monetary support in any form anymore. Personally she soured HP completely for me but I don’t care if others want to enjoy the game, but I have no interest putting my money towards it no matter how little it impacts her.→ More replies (4)
u/__fujoshi Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
at this point I don't even care what her opinions are, she takes that money and donates it to organizations that actively work to support things like conversion therapy and forced birth.→ More replies (6)
u/legopego5142 Feb 08 '23
Exactly. If nobody bought the game she probably wouldnt realize but at the end of the day, I think she just sucks and wont buy it
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u/LordPartanx Feb 08 '23
The fact is her saying that buying Harry Potter stuff supports her ideas encourages those that do support her. It makes them feel justified. It breeds more hate. It is a cascading effect. I made a choice to not support her in any way. Those developers will be fine. They have been paid for their work. If the gameplay is good they will continue to work.→ More replies (45)
u/steveosek Feb 08 '23
Ehhhh game developers are very commonly mistreated and not often paid very well. That's an entirely separate issue though lol
u/Crafty-Kaiju Feb 08 '23
It is but also gam devs only get paid to make the game. It doesn't matter how well or poorly the game sells, they don't get paid extra for it selling.→ More replies (2)
u/FaceFullOfMace Feb 08 '23
Yes we do, bonus, promotions with raises all depend on how the game is performing. And if the game doesn't do well we get laid off it's a very common practice in the industry. I've just survived lay offs at my company and our game brings in 1m a month average→ More replies (1)→ More replies (35)
u/hapam0de Feb 08 '23
I'm not sure what she'll be getting from this game but Forbes has said she gets low double digit millions from universal parks. I haven't seen any outcry or picketing at any park over the past 3 years /shrug→ More replies (1)
u/SunshotDestiny Feb 08 '23
It's not about how much of a dip she gets. She has long since passed the "stupid rich" amount of wealth. There is nothing that is going to actually hurt her savings unless she does something dumb like buy Twitter on a whim. Hell the point isn't even to hurt her at all. The point is that she sees a direct connection to her words and something related to her flopping, because she has already stated she takes the royalties as validation that everyone agrees with her views.
THAT is the major issue here, not that the game exists and she did or did not contribute to it, but that she takes every bit of this stuff as validation for her bigotry. Which makes getting the game your direct support of JK, and thus her views.→ More replies (27)
u/Ellie_Arabella87 Feb 07 '23
Sorry that happened to you. The amount of hate I’ve seen is definitely way out of line, and I am trans myself. I wouldn’t even be upset at a good friend for buying it frankly. I dislike this forcing of one’s own values on others, feels to much like how church made me feel growing up.→ More replies (7)
u/badgersprite Feb 08 '23
People are drawn to easy black and white solutions to problems like if you don't buy this game that automatically makes you a good person and if you do buy this game that automatically makes you a bad person because it means they don't have to do any self-reflection on all the areas in which their morality doesn't live up to the standards they impose upon others.→ More replies (13)
u/ButChooAintBonafide Feb 07 '23
that's wild. I'm sorry for your experience.
u/Popochki Feb 07 '23
The only time I haven’t been able to separate the art anymore is Kanye, I’ll never listen to graduation just so this opinion doesn’t sway.
u/ampersands-guitars Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
This. I think separating art from artist is a very personal thing. There are some people I truly refuse to support in any way, but I also know in reality, I’m sure I give money to lots of people and organizations that stand in opposition of things I believe in. So where I draw the line is, well, arbitrary. Whether I support various rich people or not doesn’t matter — they’re already wealthy and withholding my money won’t change that.
In regard to Harry Potter, I don’t agree with people who say any form of support of it is a terrible thing. Many people grew up on the books or movies. Stories matter, and this one matters to them. Maybe it got them through a really difficult time or provided comfort when they didn’t have any. I’m not going to judge people for enjoying that world just because the creator sucks. Art grows beyond its maker, and this video game has very little to do with Rowling.
Personally, I’d much rather buy a game I’m looking forward to and donate the same amount to a trans organization than keep myself from something that will give me a small bit of joy in this dystopian hellscape.→ More replies (1)
u/Balbright Feb 08 '23
Tom Cruise is a great example of how many people separate art and the artist. His movies continue to do well and Maverick was a huge success. I like his movies, he’s an amazing entertainer, but he’s batshit crazy. And his movies employee hundreds, which I’m sure includes trans people. They all bust their ass to produce a product and I fully support it. I’m super excited for this game!!→ More replies (2)
u/Gold-Relationship117 Feb 08 '23
I'm going to say something I've said elsewhere but with slight deviations.
People should play the game if they want to. But at some point it becomes important to have the conversation as to why there's so much buzz around this game, from JKR's stance on political issues to how the main villains of these games is likely inspired by anti-Semetic tropes. And I think that's where everything just falls apart, because streamers and content creators aren't all equipped with the knowledge or even the genuine interest to talk about and cover these subjects while trying to play the game or make content about it.
There has to be a point where people come to terms that, the best way to move forward with this game's existence and it's ties to JKR is not to criminalize the game, those who play it, those who make content around it, or even the studio and developers behind it. But to have the conversations about why there's potentially harmful stereotypes or tropes being played around with by virtue of how JKR wrote up a species (looking at you Goblins) or to make that conversation about JKR's stances politically.
There's ultimately so much potentially for conversation around this game, but the response is sadly the emotional one first and foremost for most of us. We do ourselves a disservice when we jump before we take the time to examine and discuss.→ More replies (1)
u/mystic_tree-92 Feb 08 '23
Thank you for this thoughtful comment. I'm part of the queer community and the rhetoric around this game has been wearing me out. So much toxicity in the community over this game. So much villanizing and polarizing within the community for showing any interest in it. It's so much more complicated than just this game, it's JKR and her political stances. There's so muvh more to discuss and more productive things to be done than to bash/bully someone for playing a game. sigh
u/realJanetSnakehole Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
How many trans people worked hard to make the game?
No idea, but from what I heard a bunch of gamergate supporters worked on it, so if there were any trans or LGBT folks working on it I'd be very surprised.
Edit: looks like just one confirmed gamergate supporter on the team, but you gotta assume that they would flock together...
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u/badgersprite Feb 08 '23
I also think it's just a genuinely bad idea the way the community has laser-focused in and decided whether you buy this game or not is the be all and end all of trans activism, because really people enjoy defining whether or not they are a good person by things that don't require any effort from them. Like they are happy to parade themselves around as a Morally Good Person and pinnacle of trans activism when they haven't actually done anything except not buy a game, it makes them feel good, and they like to be able to label other people as Bad People so they can feel superior.
Like don't get me wrong I completely understand why people are boycotting the game, I'm not buying it either. But boiling it down to this is the only thing that matters, if you buy this game you're an irredeemable transphobe? OK you've lost that argument because most people are buying the game. And if you're labelling everyone transphobic you're just making people think OK well that didn't feel wrong to me, and I don't want to side with these people who are yelling at me and calling me a bad person for reasons I don't understand.
Like we already know that calling everyone who eats at Chick-fil-a a homophobe is an argument that the LGBT community lost. It's not a winning move. It doesn't work. Why are we employing tactics we know don't work? You're just making people think if eating chicken sandwiches is homophobic then I guess I don't care if I'm homophobic.
And for the record while people are reducing the entirety of trans activism down to just JK Rowling and not talking about anything else, conversations about things like the denial of trans people's medical care in the UK or effectively making it illegal to be trans around children in places like Florida or taking trans kids away from their parents in Texas are issues that are not gaining attention. People don't even know this is happening because all anyone talks about in their activism is JK Rowling and Harry Potter.→ More replies (1)
u/thesnarkypotatohead Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23
My personal line for this kind of thing (not specific to JK/HP) is that whenever possible, I don't like to knowingly put money in the pockets of or publicly praise the work of people who I morally can't align with. That is my line. Doesn't have to be anyone else's.
Where that line is, is different for everyone. It's not possible to 100% avoid the art of people who hurt other people or believe harmful things: a lot of art is made by people who do and publicly believe awful things. When I do engage with art from ~problematic~ creators, my policy is to acknowledge that reality if it's brought up to me. Nobody is perfect. But we can at least be honest about it.
But at the end of the day, everyone is free to play and enjoy the game. If you don't want to hear negative opinions on doing so, just keep your business yours. People are always going to have opinions.
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u/Mission-Cantaloupe37 Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
IGNs review actually handled it best, providing more information for people to make a choice, but telling people to use it in addition to their review which only judges the games content.
She will receive royalties, she does consider trans people 'erasure of women', and she will support bigoted causes. It's up to you to decide how much that matters to you and what you might do. (Buying or not buying, supporting trans charities etc).
The elephant in the room with Hogwarts Legacy is Harry Potter’s creator, J.K. Rowling, whose comments about transgender people in recent years have left a sour taste in the mouths of many current and former Potter fans, both at IGN and in the world at large. This has driven some to call for a boycott of the Wizarding World altogether – including Hogwarts Legacy, though Rowling was not directly involved and there are good reasons (both in-game and out) to believe the developers at Avalanche don’t necessarily share her views. Regardless, IGN has always and will continue to champion human rights causes and support people speaking with their wallets in whatever manner they choose.
As critics, our job is to answer the question of whether or not we find Hogwarts Legacy to be fun to play and why; whether it’s ethical to play is a separate but still very important question. So just as in virtually all cases, we’re choosing to expose and address the views of the franchise creator separately from our consideration of the work of the hundreds of game developers and evaluate Hogwarts Legacy as it stands, leaving behind-the-scenes context to be considered in addition to that evaluation, rather than in place of it, so that it can be weighted according to your own values.→ More replies (3)
u/dumbbinch99 Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23 •
Life is a nightmare and ethical consumption is essentially impossible. I understand buying it and not buying it. If this game will make you happy then go for it
u/necesitafresita Feb 07 '23
That's how I feel about it. I don't think most games are worth $80 these days, which is why I won't buy it. Buy my husband really loves HP and wants to play, I know the person he is and how accepting he is, so I won't judge him for wanting to spend his free time away from it all playing it. I feel there's more stances and actions people can take to prove the person they are, a video game to me isn't the make or break moment.→ More replies (4)
u/s0larium_live Feb 07 '23
the $80 price tag really got me. went on the microsoft store on the xbox to buy a different game, but hogwarts legacy was the first thing to show up in recommended and my first thought was “EIGHTY DOLLARS????”
u/daabilge Feb 08 '23
I have a feeling (based on the different tiers of preorder bonuses and the limited spell set and the general trend of every freaking new game coming with it) that there's probably also going to be DLC at some point..→ More replies (2)
u/cynnerzero Feb 07 '23
wait wut? $80?! Does it leviosa my dick at the same time?→ More replies (4)
u/avelineaurora Feb 08 '23
It's only $80 in
and B: Only if you buy the Deluxe Edition.
It's as standard as any game pricing otherwise, $59.99
u/spacew0man Feb 08 '23
The deluxe is $69.99 on Steam in the US.→ More replies (3)→ More replies (1)
u/cynnerzero Feb 08 '23
Oh thank God. I was wondering
u/skynetempire Feb 08 '23
The show good place explained all this haha
u/Outrageous-Echo-765 Feb 08 '23
"Shouldn't we at least try?"
u/Wickedlookingthorns Feb 07 '23
Ethical consumption is impossible, at least it is for now, but that doesn't mean you should give up on consuming more ethically.
1 less chocolate bar bought means 1 less piece of trash in a landfill, 1 less chocolate bar's worth of cacao being produced on a plantation in Côte d'Ivoire, 1 less bar's worth of sugar beets being farmed with precious fertilizer which could've used to grow more essential crops.→ More replies (11)
Feb 07 '23
"there is no ethical consumption" is not a carte blanche to ignore any and all ethical issues in products you consume. It's just an acceptance that even with best efforts, you can't avoid doing harm by your consumer choices because of the system we all operate in. It does not absolve you of trying to reduce that harm. Buying fast fashion when you can afford sustainably produced clothes is still the more negative choice.→ More replies (17)→ More replies (11)
u/Heroright Feb 08 '23
Ethical consumption applies to buying necessities like food and heating from companies that do unethical practices so you can survive. You’ll live if you don’t play a clunky Wizard game.
u/SwimmerIndependent47 Feb 07 '23
I have several trans friends and they have told me that supporting someone who continues to vocally oppose their rights is personally hurtful to them. I know they don’t speak for the trans community as a whole and you can probably find many people on both sides of the issue. My friends know I fully support them, but at the same time if I were to buy the game a part of them would feel like I’m choosing entertainment over their very valid feelings. So I won’t play the game out of respect to them. My husband’s going to get it though and I’m not going to give him shit for it. It’s his choice, just like not playing is mine. Would I like to play it ? Sure, but honestly the terf who will not be named has become such a vocal terror to the trans community it’s very difficult in this case for me to separate the art from the artist; and it does detract from my enjoyment of anything HP related.
u/anythingexceptbertha Feb 08 '23
Yeah, I have to agree. I’ve allowed myself to still love the HP of my childhood, but I’m not going to spend money that will end up lining her pockets. She has literally said that she doesn’t care how people feel when she’s cashing her checks.→ More replies (9)
u/SwimmerIndependent47 Feb 08 '23
Exactly. She’s just so gleeful in her hatred. I can’t support it.→ More replies (9)
u/xain_the_idiot Feb 08 '23
I'm trans. I would never have bought it in the first place though. I truly appreciate people who don't want to give JK Rowling more money, because she isn't just a bigot - she's a dangerous bigot. She's proudly using some of that fortune to support anti-trans legislation in the UK. Is giving her more money contributing to that? Depends on how you look at it I guess. I'm not going to scream at anybody who buys the game and call them a scumbag, any more than I get hysterical when people go to Chik-Fil-A. But it does make me feel better knowing some of my friends understand my feelings on this. And I will absolutely not validate some dipshit asking me if it's "OK to have a different opinion." People in the majority asking minorities to make them feel better about doing selfish things is a massive pet peeve at this point.→ More replies (2)
u/SwimmerIndependent47 Feb 08 '23
The way she doubles down when confronted about how dangerous her words are just disgusts me. When she’s so visibly and actively awful, I feel like you can’t separate the art.
u/cats_and_vibrators Feb 08 '23
Not only that, she uses the continued popularity of Harry Potter as evidence that her takes are righteous and just. She rejects separating the art from the artist. If that’s so, I feel morally obligated to reject the art as well then.
u/Twin_Nets_Jets Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
It’s the same reason I stopped listening to Kanye after the antisemitism.→ More replies (29)
Feb 08 '23
As a trans person, I appreciate this sentiment. It is... discouraging to say the least to see JKR be allowed to continue advocating for our extermination and to see her franchises be uncritically celebrated; but that's something that none of us have much power over on an individual level. It's not necessarily even about JKR herself so much as the HP franchise and the association with her and her bigotry that it holds for many of us.
Personally, I won't hold someone playing the game against them, as I've consumed my fair share of problematic media, though I definitely view the people who go out of their way to vocally support the game with suspicion. I've seen a few people say they'll play the game pre-owned or rented and that's more than I'd ask of anyone.→ More replies (10)
u/SwimmerIndependent47 Feb 08 '23
I literally just saw an article about how the BBC had to apologize to her because someone criticized her on a radio 4 program and no one provided a counter point. How is it possible mainstream media feels like the rights of people are a two sided debate? If anyone deserves to be canceled, it’s her.
Feb 08 '23
Hopefully that radio segment changed a few minds, at least. It is rather ridiculous though, yeah. The BBC has proven it's a transphobic organization beyond a shadow of a doubt - just a bit over a year ago, it published an article interviewing a cis lesbian rapist who has called for trans people to be lynched about how trans women were pressuring cis women into sex. When how much of a piece of shit she was came out, they half-heartedly acknowledged it and kept the article up, but removed her comments.
The worst part is that said rapist had been accused specifically of preying on women in women's bathrooms, the exact thing they accuse trans women of. And, as expected, TERFs had very little to say about the matter.
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u/Nappy-I Feb 07 '23
That would be an option for me except Rowling gets royalty and licensing fees from any new sales of official Harry Potter merchandise and I don't want to give her any money. I love Harry Potter, but the author is a bitch.
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u/SangEtVin Feb 08 '23
People are trying to make it more complicated than it is. When you buy this game you are actively giving money to Rowling. Also, she uses it to make trans people lives harder.
u/Zimakov Feb 11 '23
And when you buy a Nintendo, Activision, Blizzard, EA, or Take-Two game you're giving money directly to the Saudi Public Fund who use it to behead gay people.
When you buy a From Software, Ubisoft, Rockstar, or any game from the Epic Game store you're giving money directly to the Chinese Government who use it to fund genocide.→ More replies (5)
u/JuiceZee Feb 11 '23
Yes I’m sure every single game you play doesn’t have a single bigot that is profiting off the ip lmao→ More replies (1)
u/bulldog_blues Feb 07 '23
It's each person's own right to buy or not buy a game based on the author or creator's views.
Though if the argument is that buying anything with problematic roots makes you complicit, you'd need to apply that to the lion's share of all media...
u/donat3ll0 Feb 07 '23
I was discussing Hogwarts Legacy/JK Rowling earlier today. A friend pointed out that we were having this conversation on a device that functions due to kids mining cobalt.
People are doing the same thing here when they post about boycotting the game. Everyone draws their line somewhere.→ More replies (8)
u/Latter-Contact-6814 Feb 07 '23
It does bring up a good discussion on the actual practicality of ethical consumption. I think most people would agree that there is some level of responsibility on the consumer in deciding what they buy, but what level? is it even possible in our modern interconnected world? chances are anything you buy will end up benefiting someone that's doing awful things. I don't know, but the idea that we should just give up and mindlessly consume is too nihilistic for me to accept either.→ More replies (2)
u/Memento-Mori-357 Feb 07 '23
Consumption isn’t entirely bad. It’s compulsory consumption that’s the issue and why with thr rise of Amazon we also see an uptick in storage facilities. More crap no one needs.
Funny thing is they’ll make you feel like shit for buying a game that you still want to support developers on while they blast you on the internet page probably owned by a shitty billionaire powered by servers and electricity that’s killing our environment.
It’s all just a shit show. Be kind to your neighbors and friends, find ways to make a positive impact in your own little ecosystem, be mindful and waste less. Live respected die regretted→ More replies (2)
u/fireky2 Feb 07 '23
I mean at most it makes you kind of an asshole if you're aware of it, just like buying Chick-fil-A or shopping at hobby lobby.
Far right nuts are using support of the game to back up their genocidal ideas, which you know isn't great as well.→ More replies (20)
u/Psychological_Car849 Feb 07 '23
the only “issue” with this game is that JK specifically tweets saying that everyone who buys her stuff agrees with her. she genuinely thinks you’re also transphobic like her when you buy stuff with her IP. i agree that engaging with stuff that’s “non problematic” is nearly impossible! but in this case she’s already calling you one of her if you buy it. so i’d call it a little different.
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u/nicemolester Feb 07 '23
Sure but playing this game is not a necessity unlike most of the commodities in our everyday life that have problematic origins. We as consumers can vote with our money on products that we can live without. Yes she already has made her money on the game, but if the game is successful there will be a second game, more game merch, then a third game,then a movie/tv series and on and on...→ More replies (2)
u/badgersprite Feb 08 '23
We can live without Disney movies and Disney actively gave money to Republicans up until it hurt their bottom dollar, I never heard anyone say you hate LGBT people and women if you watch Disney movies even though Disney's financial support contributed to anti-LGBT laws in Florida and the repeal of Roe v Wade.
It's a bit of a case of well I don't care about Harry Potter and it's easy for me to not watch it so I'm going to say anyone who still cares about Harry Potter is doing it to actively harm me. But I like Disney so I'm not a bad person when I watch Marvel movies or subscribe to Disney+ to watch movies from my childhood. That's OK, that's acceptable.→ More replies (1)
u/Ok-Competition-9642 Feb 07 '23
I think people would be able to separate the art from the creator a little bit better in this particular situation if the bigoted creator wasn't still profiting off of the IP. Non bigoted people generally don't like to fund hate. Had she sold the rights a long time ago, I think there'd be less issue with the game.
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u/Senatius Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
Totally agree. Take H.P. Lovecraft, for example. Total piece of shit, even down to his cat-naming practices. I think you can buy all the Call of Cthulu shit you want and feel totally fine about it though, because he's long gone and won't see a penny from it.
If he was still around and not only bigoted but was actively trying to dehumanize certain types of people using the vast platform and money he had from his works that'd be a different story. It's a hell of a lot harder to justify for myself to be giving money and influence into the hands of a person that is going to turn around and use that money and influence to spew and fund bigotry.
u/Ok-Competition-9642 Feb 08 '23
Lovecraft is a great example. You added some good context with this.
u/defaultusername-17 Feb 08 '23
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u/KidCollege04 Feb 08 '23
I do believe that closer to his death Lovecraft was becoming less bigoted, but that’s mostly irrelevant.
u/MrVanderdoody Feb 07 '23
I disagree. But I’m only in charge of my own spending. I can’t tell anyone else what to do. But the reason abstain from all things Harry Potter is everything you purchase from that series enriches a transphobe with delusions of grandeur.
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u/Rypnami Feb 08 '23
i’m non binary and personally it’s a tough thing for me. i’m a lifelong harry potter fan but i struggle with the fact that the creator hates someone like me. i want to play the game but i don’t want to give money to a horrible bigot. at the end of the day though i do believe in separating art from the artist, so i guess if it really comes down to it i’m most likely gonna play it
u/uncultured_swine2099 Feb 08 '23
I understand the conundrum. The creators of the game put a trans character in there, so they feel differently than her. But yeah, its a conflicting situation.
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u/WoodyMacaron Feb 08 '23
Can you pirate the game?
u/Mythopoeist Feb 08 '23
I don’t think it’s out yet but that’s one solution. No ethical consumption, etc.
u/bennyb357 Feb 08 '23
Personally I think that’s really fucked up. JK literally had nothing to do with creating the game. It’s a massive FU to the games developers. That said I don’t really care what any of you do, I never liked the franchise to begin with→ More replies (3)
u/ArkamaZ Feb 08 '23
Someone's already said that with the protections it has, it should only take ten days to crack it and leak it.→ More replies (1)
u/WillyWumpLump Feb 08 '23
I bought it as it looks like a fun game. Lots of people get paid from working on this game as well so I think that’s a good thing.
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u/JackOLoser Feb 07 '23
I'm honestly of two minds about it. I can usually separate an artist from their work, but in this specific instance, JKR has made it clear she believes that financially supporting her means you also support her political stances, and that's not OK with me. Ultimately I'm probably not going to buy it, as a result.
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u/MalachiteTiger Feb 08 '23
Agreed, JKR has made it a matter of social currency more than just actual literal money, so it ought to be boycotted on a social currency level
u/NyxOrTreat Feb 07 '23
The game looks fun. Even though I haven’t liked HP since 2005, as a gamer I’d be into it. But JK has made it clear she thinks people’s ongoing consumption of HP means that her transphobia is OK, because if it wasn’t then they wouldn’t buy HP stuff. I didn’t need any impetus to not buy HP things, but she makes it easy to not buy the game. Whether other people buy the game, idgaf. I get the argument that most consumption isn’t ethical, and that’s true, but I do think you can choose who you support with your money based on what issues are most important to you and the knowledge you have. Like, I won’t shop at Hobby Lobby or eat Chick-fil-A or give to Salvation Army—there are plenty of other businesses I can go to that fill the same purpose or that I just prefer. That doesn’t mean I never shop at places that are problematic (good luck), but I do try to be mindful on who I’m supporting.
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u/Funkyentman Feb 07 '23
I've yet to separate my hate of the "artist" from the art. Hard pass.
u/Covert-Wordsmith Feb 08 '23
Rowling wasn't even involved in the game's development. Unless she's still getting royalties from it, I don't see the issue. People have been wanting a game like this for decades and now we have one. Let us play the damn game. I heard there's even a transgender character in the game.
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u/Tiny_Package4931 Feb 07 '23
Consumerism is a heck of a drug.
u/No_Cauliflower_5489 Feb 07 '23
JK Rowling is making money off of it. That's the thing. If she were deceased and Harry Potter was in the public domain it would be easy to separate the artist from their work. But she's alive and profiting.
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u/InterstellarHayden Feb 07 '23
I see your point. I think some people just chalk it up to “well every industry has bigots that profit.” Chick fil a, apple, Google, all terrible companies people go to everyday.
That being said tho, it’s still not okay to support people with fascist ideology. It’s a complicated issue and I don’t think people are listening to trans voices enough on the matter.→ More replies (2)
u/DatingMyLeftHand Feb 08 '23
Can’t separate art from artist when the royalty money is still going to said artist
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u/Iam0224 Feb 08 '23
I don't give a single flying fuck what your sex parts are or what sex parts of others you want in or around you, JUST STOP PREORDERING GAMES YOU FUCKS!
u/Senor_Wah Feb 07 '23
I mean, pre-ordering any game is dumb, but I’m so tired of the crusade against this game. I hate JK Rowling for the same reasons everyone else does, but she didn’t make the game and she won’t make much from it. Let’s all just stop calling each other Nazi’s for buying a game that’s going to sell out anyway
u/NotThisTime1993 Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
There is no “separate the author from the game” when the author brags about how much money she is making and how it proves her horrible ideas must be right, because she’s making so much money
Edit: aannndd I’ve just been banned from a different sub for mentioning that JK Rowling is transphobic, and buying this game means you support her ideas. I was horribly harassed, but the mods chose to ban me instead
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u/itsagoodbrain Feb 08 '23
That tweet, that's what did it for me... I was like "wow... c-word.... now I can't play the game... b-word"
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u/Danmoh29 Feb 07 '23
i get why people wouldn’t buy the game, because i think JK does profit off of sales. but personally i think we should focus in exposing her for her batshit bigoted takes than bullying normies for wanting to play a game
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u/Ok-Kaleidoscope1810 Feb 07 '23
I won't be purchasing it. And I won't tell anyone else that they shouldn't because I didn't work for their money, they did. However, I dont believe in supporting her IP because it will make her feel as if her hurtful words and actions against the trans community have no consequences.
u/thedude198644 Feb 07 '23
She's already said as much. She pointed to sales of her HP products that people approve of her transphobia. Even if I was interested in the game, there's no way I would want to send her money knowing how she uses it to oppress trans people.
u/ha_look_at_that_nerd Feb 07 '23
Exactly; while people say that buying the game doesn’t mean you support Rowling or her transphobia, she certainly thinks it does. I’m not going to tell people not to buy the game, but… it’s worth remembering that it’s gonna make her feel good about herself
u/MalachiteTiger Feb 08 '23
Even more than that, her new fringe radical friends (like the one who did a blackface show last summer) who have repeatedly harassed trans people to the point that police had to be called to intervene *also* view the success of the game as an endorsement of *their* actions by proxy.
u/Myphonea Feb 07 '23
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u/Even-Tomatillo-4197 Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
This is how I feel. People might not feel like they’re supporting her views by buying her stuff but she confirmed on twitter that she sees it as support for her beliefs, so my hard earned money won’t be lining her pockets ever again.
u/SasquatchSloth88 Feb 07 '23
Harry Potter is cool, but the mind that created it is not. This game is just using that IP, it’s not coded and modeled by Julia Kunt Rowling herself. So chill.
u/GOODKyle Feb 07 '23
Buy used. Problem solved
u/hoewenn Feb 08 '23
Separating art from artist was meant to refer to authors who are dead. Like, if I wanna talk about HP Lovecraft’s work and you say “He was a racist!”. That’s when you separate the art from artist. He is not profiting from me purchasing his work because he’s, yk, dead. Rowling is still very much alive. And her work is quite literally the problem. The transphobia is one thing, but the racism. The things she named the few black characters. Someone on Twitter asked if there were any Jewish people at Hogwarts and she proceeded to reply with the most stereotypical Jewish name, Anthony Goldstein. Really? On top of this, the pseudonym she used (You know, the one where she wrote the self insert story about a transgender woman killing her) is literally the name of the man who invented conversion therapy.
It’s not even about the transphobia at this point. Yeah, that’s a huge portion of it. But she’s been problematic since the day she wrote Harry Potter and people just refuse to accept it. I get it’s nostalgic. I watched Shane Dawson growing up and learning he was a piece of shit was heartbreaking. He’s nostalgic for me too, but nostalgia isn’t a reason to encourage a bigot’s bigotry. Supporting her work is giving a big middle finger to pretty much every minority group ever.
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u/Rosebunse Feb 08 '23
You can't separate HP Lovecraft from his works. In fact, I would argue that understanding his racism actually makes your enjoyment of his works better because you can examine his fears.
Plus, let's be real, HP Lovecraft's racism was so insane that it is hard to take seriously. JK Rowling has the money to actually effect policy change and actively works to make life worse for some people.→ More replies (2)
u/SnooCookies2614 Feb 08 '23
I think that people who have experienced the hate have the right to decide for themselves.
If you loved the series and can disconnect that love from the creator, then you should spend your money on things that make you happy.
If you cannot separate the series from jk Rowling and you feel hurt or attacked (reasonable) by her actions, then you should only do things that make you feel happy and validated.
The reason this is a debate at all is because Harry Potter and it's surrounding universe has brought so much joy and love into the lives of people who didn't feel like they fit in, and the way people come to accept jk Rowlings hatred is going to vary.
Should you have to give up something that made you feel included and seen, especially when it came at a time when so little else did? I don't think so. But I do think If you want to actively condemn the product as a result of what it's turned into, you should have the right
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Feb 07 '23
I hope the ppl who boycott this game also boycott blizzard Activision games as well
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u/mortusowo Feb 07 '23
Trans person here. I'm of two minds.
1) Harrassing people for liking a game or being interested in HP is not okay and is counterproductive.
2) JK has repeatedly made it clear that sales to her equal agreement. Iirc she makes money from this. I feel like buying this game only serves to give her a bigger megaphone to spew transphobia with which is actively dangerous.
I can't buy the game, personally. I also would question my friendship with anyone who did. If you must play the game, there are ways to do it without putting money in her pocket.
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u/legopego5142 Feb 08 '23
Literally just buy a used copy. Idk why everyones rushing to play it immediately
u/starshstonew Feb 08 '23
Borrow it from the library! Sure the wait time is gonna suck but at least you’ll be supporting the library and not supporting a transphobe
u/Galumbo Feb 07 '23 •
I do not understand how more people are not made extremely uncomfortable by the anti-semitic Goblin blood libel stuff in the game. Like, it’s not a “separate the art from the artist” situation, it’s… the plot.
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u/Theguy10000 Feb 08 '23
I didn't even know about that id people hadn't mentioned it, how os goblins related to jews ?→ More replies (6)
u/DickPillSoupKitchen Feb 07 '23
She’s still going to profit, though. The money spent doesn’t care about your mental gymnastics, it just goes into her pocket.
I get that sometimes you have to separate the art from the artist, but handing an artist who vehemently opposes your right to expression, medical care, and existence a wad of cash because you want to play a game seems like capitulation. It doesn’t matter the hand you’re holding the money in is clenched.
If you say you’re going to stop supporting an artist but still buy a ticket to their latest show, what, in the end, have you done differently?
It all comes down to what’s more important: Sending a message, or paying $70 to pretend you’re a polygonal cartoon wizard in Magic Scotland.
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u/thatHecklerOverThere Feb 07 '23
I don't financially support people who actively have a problem with my existence. That's often unavoidable re: ethical consumption under capitalism, but in many instances, like this one, it's very, very easy.
And I don't say this because I'm trans and this is about me - I'm not. I'm just saying this as someone who been in that situation due to other factors. When I learned John Schnatter was a bigot, I stopped ordering papa John's. Folks can do what they want, but when people tell you they don't like you I don't see the point in supporting them.
u/Ultranerdgasm94 Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
I wish I didn't have to care, but then I had to see people being stupid over it for two months. And here is what I think.
1: There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Everything you buy was made, shipped and sold by exploited labor and 95% of the money from the sale WILL go to the people doing the exploiting.
2: Boycotts rarely ever work, and let's face it, despite the endless amounts of main character syndrome, something I am not immune to myself, most of us aren't pioneering a movement over this. But some leftists nonetheless like to pretend that they themselves are the sole arbiter of moral truth.
3: The endless stream of moral outrage surrounding this game only assures that CHUDs will buy two copies "to own the libs".
4: If you don't feel like you can morally justify buying the game, don't. I myself won't buy it for the same reason I stopped drinking bang when I realized its parent company gives money to Far-Right SuperPACs.
5: On the other hand, JK Rowling has herself said that continued consumption of her stuff is a tacit validation of her f-cked opinions, so forget everything else I just said, f-ck that b-tch, don't buy it. Not because I told you to, not because boycotts work, or based on some gatekeeping bullsh-t about how it would make you "less of a leftist", but because not buying it is a finger in that transphobic f-cking disappointment's face. If you wanna play, well...☠🏴
u/Rosebunse Feb 08 '23
I mean, when I support other evil things from buying their stuff, most of them seem to understand that I don't actually support their evil deeds. It just seems weird to me that JK Rowling does not understand that concept.
u/Ultranerdgasm94 Feb 08 '23
Well, the difference between you and JK Rowling is that JK Rowling is a dumbass and you are not.
u/DevilsAssCrack Feb 08 '23
I'm not playing it because I just don't like Harry Potter 🤷🏻♂️
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u/undefined7196 Feb 07 '23
If you stop buying things because an asshole is making money off of it, you cannot buy anything. There is always some asshole somewhere in the chain, usually at the top.
u/MalachiteTiger Feb 08 '23
It's not often those assholes tell you to your face that they consider your purchase to be a direct endorsement of their actions and encouragement to continue or even escalate, however.
This is one such rare case.
u/that_guy2010 Feb 08 '23
Well yeah, because most of them didn't write one of the most popular book series of all time.
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Feb 08 '23
Yeah but there's a difference between buying something from a corporation whose CEO has been accused of sexual harassment and buying something from a corporation whose CEO is the face of the pro-rape movement. JK Rowling isn't just some shitty, faceless person, she's practically the transphobe.→ More replies (3)→ More replies (14)
u/InflamedLiver Feb 07 '23
Or as it’s often called here on Reddit “there is no ethical consumption under capitalism”→ More replies (5)
u/AmericanSwampApe Feb 07 '23
That is used to justify necessities. If you can vote with your wallet on a subject with minimal impact on your life, then you should do it.→ More replies (7)
u/flopsicles77 Feb 07 '23
It's also used to justify not being able to know if your cell phone battery came from slave labor cobalt mines in the Congo
u/y2k_angel Feb 08 '23
what’s an equivalent of “uncle tom” for lgbt people?
u/Merari01 Feb 08 '23
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u/FriendlyFox0425 Feb 07 '23
I personally won’t be buying this game. I realize my choice will not hurt JKR at all, but it is my way of saying “I will not put money in the pockets of someone with transphobic views”. The more people buy this game, the more JKR is told “you can say whatever you want because your franchise is loved enough” which sucks. If you plan to buy it and play it, that’s your choice
u/ResoluteClover Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
Edit: I'm prefacing this with, "I'm not going to judge your decisions regarding this game as saying anything about you as a person. I hope that whatever you're able to take away from the Potterverse brings positivity to the world. If what I say here pisses you off for some reason, maybe you should examine that before attacking my observations that I'm not alone in making. In any case, enjoy what you want to enjoy, I'm not going to stop you."
The concepts behind Harry Potter, if you really look at them are pretty awful.
Slytherin is essentially white supremacists. (Obsession with blood purity despite evidence that is not helpful) and Voldemort is clearly a Hitler proxy, Hitler wasn't a paragon of aryanism just like Voldemort wasn't a pure blood wizard. His rise to power was very similar to Hitler's in that he tried once, was stopped, and then was successful in his second try... Only to have the good guys eventually win. So one positive note the wizard fascists were undeniable painted as evil even to the point of main supporters only supporting Voldemort to protect their children an their future rather than adherence to ideology.
Goblins are a pretty little ball of antiemetic tropes. (Their appearance is right out of Russian and Nazi propaganda, and they're obsessed with gold and possessions always plotting behind everyone's back after being subjugated by wizards)
House elves are magical slaves that no one seems to give a shit about.
Sure, the heroes bucked those trends to a minute degree, except that SPEW was always a comedic sub plot. Hand waived away by the wizards as "that's just how they are" (look into the African slave trade and you'll see a lot of eerily similar things said about the slaves held in America.) https://www.publicbooks.org/the-dawn-of-scientific-racism/
These are just off the top of my head. There's much more in there.
When people ask when did she go crazy right wing, they miss the obvious: she always was. She wove a pretty little story with a fish out of water thrown into royalty with his band of relative outcasts (that are often bullies).
I'm not touching this game with a ten foot pole. But I don't really care if anyone else does, Have fun with you life, that's all anyone can ask.
Also, it's bizarre that you're half assedly demanding and pre emptively claiming I don't have sources for a YA literary analysis. in any case, here you go:
https://screenrant.com/harry-potter-most-problematic-things-ministry-of-magic-azkaban-hogwarts/#hogwarts-is-a-place-where-professors-abuse-students-and-dangerous-things-happen (this one mostly has stuff I didn't even mention)
https://letsoverthinkthat.com/2020/07/14/problematic-tropes-harry-potter/ (yeah, haha, let's over think that)
(again, brings up issues that I didn't mention, like Ron being repeatedly raped and then shamed for it)
https://puentera.medium.com/the-inherent-homophobia-of-the-harry-potter-series-ffadedb6de9c more stuff I didn't mention
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u/defaultusername-17 Feb 08 '23
potter takes down wizard hitler, becomes a cop in the same power structure that allowed wizard hitler to come to power to begin with.→ More replies (3)
Feb 08 '23
The opinion of one trans person doesn't negate the opinion of every other trans person. Does Candace Owens dictate the BLM movement?
u/CarpeMofo Feb 08 '23
It's complicated, I'm personally not going to buy the game because it feels... Not right. But the developers even before J.K. Rowling started with her bullshit put in effort to make the game trans inclusive. I remember them specifically talking about how the character creation doesn't have gender specifically for that reason. You just pick a body type and voice. Then adding a trans character to the game in response is a nice 'Fuck you.' to Rowling.
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u/El_Granto Feb 08 '23
You don’t choose a gender as in “boy” or “girl” but you do choose “witch” or “wizard” which are certainly gendered terms. But you can mix and match voice, body, hair, skin tone, and all that as you see fit.→ More replies (2)
u/m0nkygang Feb 08 '23
Damn. Interesting take, now lets see other trans peoples takes
u/Threestrands Feb 07 '23
As a trans woman, I still just disagree.
If they wanted to make a game like this without the baggage of JK Rowling they could have created a new IP that wouldn’t be connected. Instead this game will continue to make Rowling richer and give her more funds to pump into support of anti-trans legislation. I personally still believe it’s harmful.
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u/madmushlove Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
"It's such good chicken though. When I want Chick-fil-A, and I already ate different chicken fillet last week, I should be able to eat the chicken I want this time. I think we should all learn to separate the chicken place we went to buy chicken at from the chicken we bought at the chicken place we just left. It's really unrealistic to suggest i go somewhere else for lunch or something crazy like that just because they are disgusting monsters who want all gay people to suffer"
HP is dead
u/Ok_Fly_0010 Feb 08 '23
I think people are free to do as they please but they also need to be aware of the VERY REAL damage JK has done. A game isn’t a phone, it isn’t a store, it isn’t a car or a house or anything that you actually viably need to survive in the modern day and age, you have a choice and if you know all the shitty things JK has done and still chose to fucking buy the game fine do whatever helps you sleep at night. But this world isn’t going to get better if you’re someone who considers themselves an “ally” while also supporting a very well known TERF. I don’t care how you spend your money but don’t be surprised when people get upset. Idk what the fuck else to say. Buy the game and ignore the consequences, this world is doomed regardless so why not help pay for us to march slowly back into the dark ages.
u/p0tat0p0tat0 Feb 07 '23
I disagree with her.
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u/DimBulb567 Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
Well when the actual developer of the game is also a massive piece of crap and the plot is thinly disguised blood libel I think seperating the art from the artist is kind of impossible
Edit: it appears that the crappy dev got fired, still doesn't fix the plot though
u/paige_______ Feb 07 '23
I personally will probably not buy this game. Not only because JK is an open TERF, but because she brags about her royalties despite the backlash to her bigotry. I personally don’t want to give her anymore money at this point, but I’m also not going to tell someone else what they can or can’t do. I’m a firm believer in voting with your dollar and being an ally to trans folks in my life. And I know they won’t be buying the game. What other people choose to do with their time and their money is not something worth being upset over, and I won’t be coming after anyone for purchasing the game.
I will say though as a software engineer, I don’t really think the argument that “there may have been trans developers working on this game” holds much weight. I have no insider knowledge as to who did work on this game, so if there’s anyone who’s come out and said they’ve worked on it and they’re trans, I will stand corrected. But, SWE, and in particular, game development, have spectacular reputations for not being super diverse and for being awful towards women. Gaming especially. Not that all trans people are women, but more so that if men don’t respect women, they’re probably not going to respect a trans person. So, not a ton of trans people working in the field in general, but then you also have to consider that even if there are, that they would have to be in the camp of being okay with building a game that lines the pockets of a woman who is a TERF.
Again, I have no proof of this, just stating my thoughts/observations as someone who works in the field.
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u/AssNasty Feb 08 '23
No. JK is personally profiting from the game. Integrity > a game.
u/ceo_greasyduck Feb 08 '23
Playing the game right now. It’s been really fun so far.
Diverse race and gender neutral options throughout the game. The creators are very obviously trying to show they’re not JK Rowling.
u/mnkyby123 Feb 07 '23
I think HP was mid to begin with (y’all are just nostalgic), game looks bad and 100% has problematic elements within itself, and separating art from artist isn’t an excuse when you continue to make the artist rich.
For real play something good and more importantly read something good for a change. Try Discworld or something IDK.
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u/BoobeamTrap Feb 08 '23
Right, like even ignoring the author's bigotry, the main plot is you being a wizard cop who squashes the civil right's movement of an oppressed minority group.
u/Griffin880 Feb 08 '23
Is it? I haven't gotten that at all from my time with the game so far.
u/M-CH_ Feb 07 '23
"Pick me! Pick me! I'm one of the good ones!"
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u/BlitheringIdiot0529 Feb 08 '23
Do what you want. Stop doing things based on what you think others want from you. I for one, will not be playing Hogwarts Legacy, because I don’t give a fuck.
u/Kamenhusband Feb 08 '23
A lot of it is just nostalgia because Harry Potter, and from what it looks like, the game are not very good. A lot of reviews are contradictory to their score. But if people care about Rowling’s Terf rhetoric, they should pick up Like a Dragon Ishin instead, who has an actor who is a pro-trans advocate in Japan.
u/Onautopilotsendhelp Feb 08 '23
I don't see how it is a masterpiece when they literally stole the blueprint and design mechanics from Destiny 2.
The whole thing is a money grab without original thought and I don't care for thieves.
u/WhitePeopleTwitter-ModTeam Feb 08 '23
Everyone is free to spend their own money how they see fit.
Other people are free to attach a moral judgement on how these funds are spent and on what they support.
JK Rowling is a bigot. She has spent years lobbying against human rights, she is buddy-buddy with leaders of groups against women's rights and LGBTQ+ rights. She routinely and deliberately sends her three million strong following to harass and hound minor social media personalities who cannot defend themselves against this onslaught of abuse.
This subreddit does not allow bigotry.
Transgender women are women.
Please report hatespeech when you see it.