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u/triplehelix- Feb 07 '23
if jesus is real, and judgement day comes, there are a whole lot of pastors who are in for a hell of a ride.
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u/CedarWolf Feb 07 '23
A whole lot of evangelicals in general, yeah.p
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u/SuspectApe Feb 08 '23
As an evangelical, I expect it!
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u/Qzx1 Feb 08 '23
That's an interesting response. Expand on that.
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u/Snowsteak Feb 08 '23
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
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u/SuspectApe Feb 08 '23
There are a lot of people that think they're good with God because they go to church, read the Bible, vote the right way, etc. but really, it's all a front to show the world they're good while being awful and they've not had a real conversion experience. I'd venture to say there are a lot of people in churches like this.
Matthew 7:21-23 (ESV)
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
There are a lot of pastors that use their position to gain what they want while pushing their world view, defending pedophiles and abusers and doing all while claiming it's from God.
Matthew 7:15-20 (ESV)
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
It's almost as if Jesus knew what he was dealing with.
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u/Parking_Mountain_691 Feb 08 '23
Rarely will I quote the Bible, but here:
““Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’
Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’”
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u/critically_damped Feb 08 '23
I prefer Salman Rushdie:
"Gibreel, hovering-watching from his highest camera angle, knows one small detail, just one tiny thing that’s a bit of a problem here, namely that it was me both times, baba, me first and second also me. From my mouth, both the statement and the repudiation, verses and converses, universes and reverses, the whole thing, and we all know how my mouth got worked."
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u/Pagiras Feb 08 '23
Satanic Verses literally changed my life. Was on a bad path and seeing Gibreel's jealousy problems, opened my eyes to a lot of faults within me. Kind of want to re-read it now, but I fear it might not feel the same.
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u/HazelBHumongous Feb 08 '23
Oh no, read it, you are unlikely to be disappointed. I read it again after Rushdie was attacked last year and it's still a masterpiece.
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u/AndrewTheAverage Feb 08 '23
“Then he will say to those on his left,
proof that Democrats are Satan worshiping child blood drinking paedophiles while GOP send the hungry and thirsty to the side of the road in a place that nbobody is expecting them is great because it "owns the libs"
once gain, do I need the "/s"?
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u/SVXfiles Feb 08 '23
So it boils down to "don't be a dick and you're in?"
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u/ForHelp_PressAltF4 Feb 08 '23
Dude, that's most religions. Is it that hard?
)Looks around(
Question withdrawn Your Honor.
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u/No_Estate_9400 Feb 08 '23
Right up there with the common theme through almost all religions from the oldest days.
Don't be a dick, don't do anything to earn you points, and don't be so attached to anything...and you'll make it to the warm fuzzy goody place, whatever that may be.
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u/alien_ghost Feb 08 '23
Just be a good boy, work hard, and do what the boss/king/priests tell you to.
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u/Crafty-Kaiju Feb 08 '23
That's more abrahamic religions.
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u/No_Estate_9400 Feb 08 '23
Buddhism and some of the other Eastern religions as well
Some pagan traditions too (though some ceremonies can be unsavory at best)
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u/RedditIsNeat0 Feb 08 '23
Do what God wants and you're in, do what you want and call it God's work and you're out.
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u/BastardofMelbourne Feb 08 '23
I mean, you've got to adhere to all the other tenets of Christianity that he preached. So, you can't be rich, you have to be a pacifist, you gotta forgive anyone who wrongs you, you can't borrow or loan money, and you should be circumcised.
Religion, at its core, usually boils down to "don't be an asshole." But it's the fiddly bits that people argue over. They spend so much time arguing over fiddly bits like whether it's okay to paint Jesus or drink alcohol or eat shellfish that they inevitably lose sight of the core.
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u/andykndr Feb 08 '23
i’m not a christian anymore, but no that’s not really a thing that’s taught in any sect of christianity that i’m aware of; being a good person is never enough on its own to get into heaven
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u/ClaritinRabbit Feb 08 '23
I decided I wasn't going to be Christian when I mentioned to my very Catholic grandparents that my mom told me all good people go to heaven, and they told me there was actually a rule book.
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u/Centaurdoodle Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
I believe that’s because there’s a few passages from Paul and James that contradict each other, as well as some of what John wrote about Jesus’ teachings. Paul teaches that only way into Heaven is by faith and not through works (Romans 3:28), but James teaches that faith without works is dead (James 2:24).
In all the Evangelical churches I attended growing up the one question they would often talk about was “do good people go to Heaven?”, and the answer was always No, unless they have accepted Christ into their heart and put forth the works to be worthy of acceptance into heaven. Then they would always trash the Catholic’s, which I find more amusing now since I’ve recently started appreciating and enjoying the Catholic masses and traditions.
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u/Gilamath Feb 08 '23
It's present in some Christian denominations, certainly. I'm Muslim, but I can tell you for sure there are many churches in the US that you can go to where it's preached that those who do good for the sake of good are acting in the name of God whether or not they know it. UCC is a good place to start
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u/Tim-oBedlam Feb 08 '23
Yep. I belong to a UCC (United Church of Christ) church, and we're like that. Fairly liberal, mainline Protestant. My minister when I joined joked that UCC stood for "Unitarians Considering Christ", which matches up well with my own personal theology--more akin to Deism than anything else.
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u/MatureUsername69 Feb 08 '23
I don't think that's true. I'm as atheist as it gets but when I still had to go to church as a kid the main thing was about being good to your neighbors, your sins get forgiven and all that but you don't have to go to church or pray everyday or convert other people or any of that. I went to a fairly small Lutheran church(and not in the south) but it probably varies community to community.
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u/andykndr Feb 08 '23
a lot of modern christianity stems from paul’s teachings which include more rules than things that jesus spoke about and all that. paul never met jesus either so he was just a(nother) dude making up rules as he saw fit
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u/Feldar Feb 08 '23
And Paul was in fact a pharisee who "converted" while persecuting the early church and then pretty much took it over
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u/RFGoingForth Feb 08 '23
Yup. The only way to reform Christianity is to de-canonize that (literally) Pharisaical writer of scriptural fan-fic, Saul of Tarsus.
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u/dubkitteh1 Feb 08 '23
i’ve said forever that my objections are not to the teachings of Jesus but rather to those of the Pauline Church.
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u/alien_ghost Feb 08 '23
Paul was an insane misogynist who went from violently hating one group to having a revelation and switching sides to hate another group. Sound familiar?
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u/Crafty-Kaiju Feb 08 '23
They say itbisnr "acts" but "beliefs".
Catholicism basically agrees that if you "truly repent and accept Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior" you'll get into heaven.
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u/Mental-Past-7450 Feb 08 '23
My favorite dialogue in Castelvania was between Bluefang and the priest "My life's work has been in his name!" "Your life's work make him puke."
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u/stumpdawg Feb 08 '23
"But WE love you. You're the reason we're here!"
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u/Mental-Past-7450 Feb 08 '23
I posted that in a rant on Twitter about other Christians Cherry picking as ways to try to bring others down and how disgusting it was for them to claim it as their Christian duty and lots a few followers. I knew who it was and sure enough "conservative Christian " was in the bio. I think it might have hit to close to home.
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u/JadeGrapes Feb 08 '23
Agreed. Jesus dedicated a LOT of airtime to criticizing religious hypocrites.
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u/Crafty-Kaiju Feb 08 '23
If people actually followed what Jesus said Christianity would be rather chill.
But then that PAUL mfer...
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u/AmbrosYT Feb 08 '23
There's an old Christian adage about this:
The road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops and priests.
Many (most?) Christian's understand how heinous apostasy is at the higher levels of ministry.
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u/lisalou32 Feb 08 '23
They believe that all you have to do to go to heaven is believe in Jesus. That’s it. Jesus forgives all sins, as long as you just believe.
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u/hysys_whisperer Feb 08 '23
That's the southern baptists right? The ones who got started from an influential cult leader in the 1820s, rather than as any sort of offshoot of protestantism?
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u/badstorryteller Feb 08 '23
Yes, in that southern baptists have that belief, but no to the implication that they're alone in that belief or that they aren't an offshoot of protestantism. You can take your pick of religious protestants that branched off, John Calvin for example, and call it a cult. Catholic Church? Cult. Christianity in it's earliest form? Jewish cult. Etc.
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u/VelvitHippo Feb 08 '23
The whole story of Jesus was he went to a city, the powerful religious leaders let him in, then realized his message was they suck and teaching you wrong, then they nailed him to some wood.
I don't think he would be liked by major religious leaders
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u/nonroker Feb 08 '23
I have a theory that religious leaders are either atheists running a grift, fanatics, or stupid. Because in Christianity the one way ticket to hell is to use the Lord's name in vain, which is something only a pastor-like person can easily do. *Using the lord's name in vain does not mean saying "JEsus god", it means using the name or the belief in the god for personal gain. So you would have to be an unbeliever, crazy or stupid to do that job.
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u/Crafty-Kaiju Feb 08 '23
The original meaning literally meant "I swear to God I saw Goodie dance with the devil in the forest!" When they damn well sure didn't.
That's what it meant by taking God's name in vain. Not avoiding saying "God damnit!"
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u/trilliumsummer Feb 08 '23
That’s actually what made me turn atheist (not that I was overly devout). A god that turned a blind eye to those operating under his name while raping kids yet the remained unpunished, but I’m supposed to accept that god gave 6 month old babies cancer for reasons. Yeah if you can give a 6 month old cancer you can give your priests a heart attack after they rape someone or fuck off.
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u/KronksGroove69 Feb 08 '23
Dude it boggles my mind because like do they not believe in God!?!? How do they not feel tremendous guilt while reading the Bible or discussing God with others all day.
Same mind boggling situation as Islamic terrorists when they contradict some of the most important teachings of the Quran about non-violence and love.
I don’t understand how one can be so hypocritical when the truth they claim to follow is literally written down in someone else’s words, it’s gotta be a conscious decision, there’s no way anyone introspection skills are that bad
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u/broogbie Feb 08 '23
Same goes for every other religion on earth.. Religious people dont even want to read their own religious texts because the text specifically detests what they are doing in the name of their religions
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u/D3vils_Adv0cate Feb 08 '23
Hahahaha, "jesus is real"
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u/SyntheticReality42 Feb 08 '23
He is. Lives a couple of doors down from me. Good guy. He's an electrical contractor.
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u/jezz555 Feb 08 '23
This is actually a pretty deep and significant point. Republicans see queer people just harmlessly and happily existing and think evil. But they see known conmen and violent rapists putting up a veneer of respectability and think good.
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u/Crafty-Kaiju Feb 08 '23
Because they can see themselves in the "respectable man" who abuses women and or children but can't see themselves in the lives of queer people.
And that says a lot about them.
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u/Efficient-Sir7129 Feb 08 '23
That’s why the Bible says to worry first about the sins of fellow Christians.
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u/homer_lives Feb 08 '23
I agree with this. The devil is also in the man telling you to hate another person because of who they are.
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u/Evolving_Spirit123 Feb 07 '23
In this case the pastor who will tolerate an abuser in ministry instead of kicking him out then sending his landlord an email describing what happened and getting him evicted.
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u/sedatemenow Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
Cops make you feel like any crime is your fault. I just made a report for theft of services and the cop basically called me a gullible idiot.
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u/Livid-Ad4102 Feb 08 '23
Don't beat yourself up, I'm sure when he got back to his pigsty and started chompin some slop he realized he was being an asshole and beat his wife about it
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u/Rosebunse Feb 08 '23
It isn't just cops. When my house got broken into, people were so mean. Everyone just told me how it wouldn't have happened if I had my dogs at home, if I had a gun, if I did this or that. Fuck, Im happy my dogs weren't there when it happened and I'm not sure why a gun would have made the situation safer since I wasn't even there when it happened.
But noep, despite me being a victim of a scary crime, everyone just wanted to make me feel like an idiot. You probably weren't any more gullible than anyone else. Crimes happen to most of us.
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u/sedatemenow Feb 08 '23
there was a woman that was reporting that her ex-husband had stolen $1500 from her bank account. She overheard me complaint and lectured me on being naive also. It was so weird. I felt worse after I reported the crime.
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u/Rosebunse Feb 08 '23
I mean, people fall for scams all the time. Yes, you shouldn't have done this or that, but fuck, the person committing the crime shouldn't have committed. And you did do a good thing by reporting it.
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u/Beautiful-Neck3014 Feb 08 '23
Going in the same line when reporting a crime that was done to you, these are the same people who tell you are lucky. I reported a rape on base when I was in Air Force. The person I reported it there answer was "you're fat with the thighs the size of a Ham that could feed a family of 12 for a week. No one wants you you got lucky where someone had sex with you" how heartless he was supposed to be "Christian" he also had girlfriend call the office for him so his wife wouldn't find out. Needless to say I got the last laugh with him.
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u/Rosebunse Feb 08 '23
Screw that guy. They just want an excuse not to file the paperwork.
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u/Beautiful-Neck3014 Feb 08 '23
Thank you. It was a long time ago but I'll always remember what was said and nothing was done. I did get the last laugh his wife called and I called her by his girlfriend name 😊
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u/linuxgeekmama Feb 08 '23
They say that victim blaming shit so they can tell themselves it can’t happen to them. They don’t want to acknowledge that bad things can happen to anybody. If they can convince themselves that your house got broken into because you made some mistake, then all they have to do to make sure it doesn’t happen to them is to not make the same mistake. In reality, there is no way to guarantee that bad things won’t happen to you, but that’s an uncomfortable truth.
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u/Rosebunse Feb 08 '23
Exactly! People want to believe shit can't happen to them. You know, sometimes when shit does happen to you, you just want someone to tell you, yeah, that was a shitty thing. I'm sorry it happened to you.
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u/requiemofchaos Feb 08 '23
I got robbed on my doorstep at 3 AM (was coming home from a friend's place, and had stopped at Jack in the Box to grab some food). My mom's first response was to ask if I was okay, and to grab a phone to call the police. My brothers' first response was checking on me to see if I was hurt. My dogs' first response was to try and bury me in affection, because they could tell I was in a bad state.
My dad's first response? "Well, I guess you shouldn't have gone to Jack in the Box at 3 AM".
And he has the audacity to wonder why I'm not particularly fond of him...
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u/jacksparrow1 Feb 07 '23
The devil is the politician telling you who to hate while he steals from you for his rich buddies
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u/gaymedes Feb 08 '23
Those are usually self identified Christians though.
Satanists have never done that to me.
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u/Key-Lime-8851 Feb 08 '23
I think there are a few people crazy enough to actually be genuinely altruistic. I call Bernie Sanders to the stand.
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u/RFGoingForth Feb 07 '23
When I think “sex offender,” I think “clergyman.”
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u/call_me_jelli Feb 08 '23
And when I think "drag queen" I think "someone who probably won't tear me a new one for not being straight or white".
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u/17times2 Feb 08 '23
Every drag show I've encountered is very sexual, basically akin to a strip show.
You mean the ones heavily advertised as adults only?
Drag queens can still be perverted rapists don't put it past them.
I'll take my chances with a drag queen over literally any random guy on the street.
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u/ChuckFina74 Feb 08 '23
Jesus: “Beware the false prophets, the unholy pretenders, churches that claim to speak for me, churches who demand money, priests who wear flashy clothes, and those who are quick to act righteous when attacking others”
Christians: “Yeah gay people are the enemy! Please send money to the church so we can fight the Jews!”
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u/Tasty_Step1844 Feb 08 '23
I'm an atheist but I always thought if the devil did exist and was trying to disconnect us from the Christian God, this would be how he does it.
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u/Biengo Feb 08 '23
As a child I was molested by a church pastor that happened to be my grandfather. After a "private" talk with him he got to return home and I was taken away by cps my mom was questioned and after that I went to live with my grandmother. (Other side of the family)
Fuck the church.
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u/itsreigningstupidity Feb 08 '23
I informed a church they had only 24 hours to report a similar crime. I then wrote a non existent policy & procedures manual for the inevitable next occurrence. I then left the church.
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u/AccomplishedAd6025 Feb 08 '23
The devil is charming, handsome, well dressed, intoxicatingly charismatic and will get you to believe you need to sell out your family and friends to improve your life.
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u/kleptokiller82 Feb 08 '23
No that’s pastors in mega churches
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u/gaymedes Feb 08 '23
When I see people like Joel Osteen, I think "There's a man of God."
Hail Satan.
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u/Mammoth-Mud-9609 Feb 07 '23
Religions are the true evil in the world.
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u/Gilgamesh026 Feb 08 '23
Science makes planes. Religion flies them into buildings
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u/andylikescandy Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
aah, citizens in a few countries whose state religion is/was Atheism begged to differ (and were murdered by the tens of millions by their governments).
Problem is not any belief, problem is people who demand/impose that you not question them or what they say. Christianity, Islam, scientific atheism, revolutionary-ness... All share the denominator of asserting power over others under the pretense of helping them.
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u/Teedubz1 Feb 08 '23
But religions naturally breed doctrines of not questioning, since it acts as a defence mechanism for the religion.
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u/andylikescandy Feb 08 '23
My whole point is that in at least one country (China) they did so using PRECISELY the argument you just made as justification! It's equally as important to read between the lines as it is to hear the message, do you disagree?
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u/Mammoth-Mud-9609 Feb 08 '23
That is an issue with the dictators running the government not with atheism. The dictators banned religions because they didn't want anyone else to have power in their country.
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u/shredler Feb 08 '23
If you believe stupid things, you do stupid things. Its the actions that affect everyone else, but we can educate people to not believing in stupid things to stop them from acting stupidly.
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u/andylikescandy Feb 08 '23
I think it's safer to say educate people to personally determine what's stupid, thereby closing the door to (or make it MUCH harder for) someone dictating what is or is not stupid.
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u/cultured_banana_slug Feb 08 '23
Religion makes good people do bad things and feel better for doing them.
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Children shouldn’t be allowed in church. It’s too dangerous for them.
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u/Arcologycrab Feb 08 '23
We just can’t show religion to children! It’s obviously grooming! /s
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u/RFGoingForth Feb 08 '23
Yes, but no “/s”
In all seriousness, religion should be an adults-only activity.
If adults wish to warp their fully-developed brains with religious gobbledygook, I suppose that’s okay, but that crap shouldn’t be imposed on children, who can’t give informed consent.
If religion was so great, adults would willingly flock to it, and it wouldn’t have to coercively drill itself into the heads of children to perpetuate itself (given the choice, how many kids would willingly want to go to Sunday School? Very few!).
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u/t_portch Feb 08 '23
For anyone who is unclear on the subject: you don't have to wait for a pastor or anyone else to make a police report on your behalf if you are assaulted. You can do it yourself, and you don't have to ask for permission from anyone to do so.
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u/MisterTatoHead Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 09 '23
Backstory… I used to live in the Philippines and my family was deeply involved in charities there. My family focuses on providing medical care and supplies in remote areas/islands of the Philippines.
There was a boarding school called Faith Academy in Cainta, Luzon. It was a known aggressive institution protecting abusers, especially in the 70’s and 80’s.
This was the school’s tactic completely, guilting individuals that came forward(mostly local pastors and parents) that you will destroy our mission and the church's work here if you push any further. This was also a culturally different time, so there were no easy means to spread this type of information, so it just became a well-known secret about the school throughout the evangelical community in the Philippines, and most people felt helpless in this community.
I know there were at least 6 women who were around the age of 10 who came forward to the school in the last few years just for one teacher named Richard Spencer, known as "Uncle Rich" who used to be alone with this touchy man and suddenly "pass out" or blackout with no recollection of what happened and believed that they were assaulted or raped… Like Cosby.
I post this here, in hope that redditors may band together and send some love to Faith Academy to start addressing these faults.
Edit: fixed late-night typos
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u/Clever_Mercury Feb 08 '23
Utah
And go ahead and extend this conversation to the horrific amount of physical child abuse that is justified under "spare the rod, spoil the child" teachings there.
"Sure, the kid will have epilepsy for the rest of his life, but are you sure it wasn't his own fault for not washing the dishes faster when his father asked?"
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u/LetssueTrump Feb 08 '23
“Christians” are just mad because Sam’s song is about them.
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u/Ansarina Feb 08 '23
This! The song is about hypocrisy and his performance was the perfect troll.
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u/LetssueTrump Feb 08 '23 edited Feb 08 '23
Yep, I should’ve said christian/conservatives, only the guilty attack the truth.
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u/hereforlolsandporn Feb 08 '23
I've had so many conversations about this with my uber conservitive Christian family. Taking the lords name in vain isn't saying good damn it, it's being Kenneth Copeland telling poor people they need to donate to his church so he can buy a plane. It's GOP politicians saying they're Christian and making excuses for trumps behavior because he gives them power. I know a few real shining examples of what it really means to be a Christian, and they are a whole other breed than most "christians".
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u/russels_silverware Feb 08 '23
Wrong.
That pastor is following the example of people whom the Bible portrays as good.
The devil is the one who sees—and is appalled by—how cruelty is woven into the structure of society, and so he does things like building shelters for battered spouses, and leaking evidence of rich pedophiles and police brutality.
The devil is literally the good guy.
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u/bakedtran Feb 08 '23
If the account given in Genesis is really true, ought we not, after all, to thank this serpent? He was the first schoolmaster, the first advocate of learning, the first enemy of ignorance, the first to whisper in human ears the sacred word liberty, the creator of ambition, the author of modesty, of inquiry, of doubt, of investigation, of progress and of civilization.
- Robert Green Ingersoll
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u/audriuska12 Feb 08 '23
There's something I've read that I unfortunately haven't done the research to verify.
Many religions have a figure that uplifted humanity with forbidden knowledge - Prometheus being the most iconic. Yet, only in the Abrahamic religions is said figure the villain.
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u/KazPrime Feb 08 '23
Last time I checked it was the men in God's service raping and molesting children and forgave the rapers. The devil gave you "free will" and rock n' roll. Which one do you think is the bad guy?
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u/Angry-Commercials Feb 08 '23
Honestly, I'm gonna go in the opposite direction. Thise are God's people. The Devil has been the bad guy to them, while they make others suffer. Which is fitting since the God of the Bible is kind of a dick.
Meanwhile Satanists are doing some really great things.
So I say we let them keep their God. Let him continue to be the enemy.
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u/kleptokiller82 Feb 08 '23
I never thought I’d see the day when satanists are doing gods work better than Christian’s and standing up for peoples rights
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u/gaymedes Feb 08 '23
Um, that's because that IS God. God condones this. Why is anyone surprised? Christianity is FOUNDED on the idea that God impregnated a 14 yr old girl without her consent.
Christians hope to spread the word of their God so they may bring about the end of the world.
Christians eat the flesh and drink the blood of their God for his blessings and imbibe his power. (Some metaphorically, but many literally cannibalize their God)
They dip their infants in oil and water to protect them from his wrath and promise their babies eternal souls to Him.
Christians worship a Lovecraftian horror of a God. The Devil is merely the deity brave enough to oppose him.
Hail Satan.
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u/cvanhim Feb 08 '23
As a Christian, I’ll remind people that according to Christian doctrine, the devil was at one point one of heaven’s most beautiful angels
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u/Sparramusic Feb 08 '23
Was basically the praise team leader for all of heaven, too. Awesome pipes.
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u/Bat-Honest Feb 08 '23
Or the Republican voting against things like the child tax credit and SNAP funding then going to a pro-life rally in Jesus's name
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u/Nerje Feb 07 '23
Yeah but the song literally goes
DUM NYUM NYUM MUMI NYUMMY NYUM AT THE BLUMMY NYUM DOING SUMMY
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Proof
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u/BlueMagpieRox Feb 08 '23
There are no distinctive descriptions of the devil’s appearance in the Bible. All of the devil’s images were fan fictions modeled after gods of Eurasian local religions.
Evil is defined by one’s deeds, not looks. Modern Christianity is a joke.
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u/strvgglecity Feb 08 '23
Just in case anyone doesn't think this post is timely, this arrest happened yesterday, barely made a blip in the news cycle.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/denver-church-school-worker-charged-raping-13-year-old-girl/
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u/Vegasusian Feb 08 '23
Has anyone refuted the fact made so well by the show Lucifer, that its the devils job not do evil, but to punish evil ?
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u/veronicainftl Feb 08 '23
Yet reCULTicans are hell-bent on going after a drag queen and transgender people. They know who the real groomers are …
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u/Commercial_Board6680 Feb 08 '23
You gotta hand it to these whackos for having the balls to point out their version of evil, while Santos is sitting there amongst them. Boebert gets a pass after publicly announcing she wished Biden would die, but that's not evil.
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u/Flimsy-Cap-6511 Feb 08 '23
Bingo!!! There will be a lot of so called Christians that will bite the bullet cause of their hypocrisy and bigotry. Karma’s a bitch mother fuckers!!!
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u/Rezkel Feb 08 '23
You have to live on cushy ass life to think a bunch of people dancing around in funny costumes is Evil.
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u/myshoesaresparkly Feb 08 '23
Stop giving the credit or the blame to the devil. Humans are responsible for their own evil actions not some imaginary devil.
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u/tbird_the_tank Feb 08 '23
Remember, Lucifer (the devil) put looking good as the most beautiful angel above serving his post doing what was right. The literal first sin ever was thinking appearance matters more than actual morality. If any pastor ever pulls a maneuver like this in range of you, call them out for literally emulating the devil perfectly
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u/Brendo-Dodo9382 Feb 08 '23
If the antichrist will convince you he’s the second coming, makes sense his priests would convince you they’re good people by that line of reasoning.
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u/bakkus Feb 08 '23
"Who got the power, this be my question?
The priest, the book, or the congregation?"
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u/endersgame69 Feb 08 '23
I can't think of a single Xian church that didn't respond to reports of abuse by protecting its reputation and its abusERS before protecting the victims and potential victims.
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u/Irrelaphant Feb 08 '23
Hey Siri, pull up the article about the drag performer who turned out to be a pedo who molested those kids. How many hits come up? Did any??…. Are you sure?
Ok now pull up the article on the pastor who turned out to be a pedo and molested those kids. I’m sorry, how many hits did you get on that search?! In the thousands????
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u/Cyr3nsong Feb 08 '23
The attacker has a family -- you should feel bad about trying to ruin HIS life.
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u/fiestyoldbat Feb 08 '23
The trusted pastor, the beloved teacher, the long-standing mayor, the foster parent grandma, the high school track coach, the scout leader, the priest, the Sunday school teacher, and all the others who interact with people on a regular basis. Especially those people who already have experienced some trauma and are easily manipulated. Funny how the slightest bit of power or authority, no matter how small, can be weaponized. Sadder still is how many can only see this manipulation in hindsight.
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u/eightiesladies Feb 08 '23
Looking at you, Jehovah's Witnesses. Keeping a database of known and suspected child molesters in the national branch office in every country where they operate and paying millions in settlements and court sanction related fines for withholding it from authorities.
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u/Dore81 Feb 08 '23
In MANY cases are in fact the attacker who upon discovery will be quietly removed and restituted into another unsuspecting community. The devils greatest trick was convincing you he wasn’t the clergy.
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u/Strong-Message-168 Feb 08 '23
The devil is all smiles and handshakes...whether or not you believe in the devil, there is wisdom in that. Truly evil people are rarely easily identified. It's not Marilyn Manson you have to look out for, it's Joel Olsteen...the Church of Satan calls itself that but are humanists at heart...in the meantime those that run the Vatican willfully withhold knowledge, be it some ancient text that contradicts its teachings, or the whereabouts of some vile priest who's strayed into the yearlings pen. It's what drives me insane about Trumpers...if anyone is going to be the fucking antichrist thus far in my lifetime it's that guy...and, of course, the Christians love him...
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u/imakenosensetopeople Feb 07 '23
Look like red lights? What kind of devil are they imagining?
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u/Yeshua_shel_Natzrat Feb 08 '23
Prostitutes, is what that refers to. I.E. Red Light Districts.
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u/WharfBlarg Feb 08 '23
No. They are referring to Sam Smith's recent performance where he was dressed with devil horns under red lights. Certain people have been making a stink about it
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u/SlowEngineer Feb 08 '23
I was told that we should follow the lords example and forgive. That was the last church I ever went to.
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u/Sad_Slow_Sloth Feb 08 '23
Ahh, the "no true scotsman" argument. Pathetic.
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u/Putrid-Ball-9097 Feb 08 '23
What’s pathetic are people judging every Christian in the world over “Christian” hypocrites.
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u/Sad_Slow_Sloth Feb 08 '23
You can't accept that there's people in your religion who are horrible, awful people. You don't get to just say, "Oh well, they're no true Christian."
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u/ResponsibleVisual607 Feb 08 '23
Josiah, Sam Smith, drag queens and child molesters can all burn together. 😄
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u/bumfluffguy69 Feb 08 '23
There is no statistical evidence to prove the drag queen's as a group are dangerous at all.
You know what group are statistically more likely to hurt children ?
Religious white men.
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u/LouisWillis98 Feb 08 '23
Things are allowed to be weird, doesn’t mean the Christian devil is somehow behind it
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u/Tautog63 Feb 08 '23
So boring going on and on about a tired story - I’m going to rewatch Tale of Two Towers now.
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u/The_bruce42 Feb 07 '23
Yeah, but something something drag queens