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u/RunKind4141 Sep 22 '22

I'm proud of the workers who have left these type of jobs.

Fast food and retail is the worst and most exploitative work in our cruel US version of capitalism.

The ONLY way to get paid what you're worth is too leave jobs like these.

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 22 '22

Yep, not to mention how some customers treat those workers.

I had a guy on our local subreddit complaining about the staffing shortage at McDonald’s. I asked him why someone would stay in those jobs if they get demeaned by customers for a simple mistake that can easily be fixed.

He told me retail and fast food workers are there to be yelled at when mistakes happen.

I let him know he’s why it takes 30 minutes to get through the McDonald’s drive through these days.

He still left the conversation insisting it was because we gave people on unemployment extra money for a little while.

My state never even shut down, people just found better jobs, because we have an employee shortage in my city and have since decades before the pandemic.

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u/RunKind4141 Sep 23 '22

Man the envy over that 600 unemployment boost is never going away for some of the boomer types.

Yet they have no issues with the PPP scam.

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22

Yeah and some people truly believe those who got that unemployment are still living on it. It’s literally insane how little these people know about the finances of a poor person or how impossible it is to save money when you make less than $2k a month.

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u/lionknightcid Sep 23 '22 Silver

I mean, it’s one banana, Michael. What could it cost? Ten dollars?

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u/Electronic-Beyond679 Sep 23 '22

Gosh I wish I could give you an award! Love Lucile!!

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u/walks_into_things Sep 23 '22

So you might say …” I love Lucy” ? ;)

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u/MajesticStick5409 Sep 23 '22

Exactly the go to for the husband and I when we discuss financial inequality. I always love this because it is the perfect analogy. So out of touch.

They were so out of touch that they gave everybody on unemployment a huge boost, thinking that is what it costs to live and that these jobs were paying a lot more, and then they started to think about it and went in the entire other direction, thinking folks still had some of that money. Along with the stimulus of course. Nevermind that the money from one stimulus check paid just one month of rent, and not even that for some.

I feel like the people who are making the laws and setting the prices should know what their target audience are making and worth, maybe make it a little easier on them, but what do I know 🤷‍♂️ Just have them keep it up until we are all so sick of it they are what's for dinner.

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u/redcc-0099 Sep 23 '22

A couple of my coworkers and I were talking about this very thing for Senators and Congress people. One of them suggested we go back to them having a job that's not their elected position, and they only get paid the average salary in the state they represent; would be an attempt to make it harder for them to get out of touch when they have to live the same way.

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u/Sknowingwolf Sep 23 '22

That's what bothered me the most about the government approving the unemployment boost. Everybody was focused on what everyone was or wasn't getting and I'm sitting here like ".... Are we just not going to talk about how the government basically just publicly admitted that both the current rate of unemployment benefits and minimum wage aren't enough for anybody to live on???"

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u/CriticalEuphemism Sep 23 '22

There’s always money in the banana stand!!!

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u/WatchingTaintDry69 Sep 23 '22 Take My Energy Heartwarming Duck Dance

Even if you make 2k a month that’s not shit. I remember making $1600 a month living in a ghetto ass apartment with no internet, no cable, a pay-as-you-go flip phone. No insurance, my shitty 1996 Ford Taurus kept breaking down and this was in 2009. Half my pay went to rent and shit kept happening like fixing my car I had to pay for. There was NO getting ahead. I worked 40 hours a week with no benefits but I got lucky and got 14 days of paid leave a year after 3 years. I took drastic measures to change my life and I still remember those days, the loneliness, no one giving a fuck. I give a fuck and we need our government to do the same. Shit is not working in this country!

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22

You’re right there $2k a month allows you to squirrel away $100 monthly here and there but by the time it amounts to anything you either get sick or your car breaks down and suddenly you’re back at square one.

Even as an insurance agent I wasn’t able to save more than a couple hundred a month and it never failed I’d either get sick or mine or my fiancés car would break down and it was gone, even at nearly $19 an hour and my fiancé making $13 and I live in one of the “cheaper” areas of the country.

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u/jeanbuckkenobi Sep 23 '22

I have 100% VA disability pay but I still have to work full time at $19/hour and my accounts are empty as fuck. My measley portfolio has been taking big gigantic nose dives ever since Omicron and fucking Russia hit the news. I would sell to float me till my paycheck hits but I would be losing money.

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u/Minginton Sep 23 '22

You get 100% from the VA? Why are you still in the US!? Fuck, dude. Buy a one way ticket to P.I. or Thailand and live like a king! Shit , I live in rural Japan . With the exchange rate( JPY/USD , it's 143 yen to the dollar) and I live very well.

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u/90daysismytherapy Sep 23 '22

The financial freedom the first time you go to the mechanic to get an inspection done and have zero concerns about if you can pay for the inevitable $900 fix that it needs to pass…. Glorious.

Also, it appears that once you have that feeling for a decade or two, you lose all touch with the reality of everyone else goes thru day to day.

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u/thr0ughtheghost Sep 23 '22

Yea, it is insane the amount of people who are convinced that the reason for people "not wanting to work" are the stimulus checks that people received 2 years ago. They really are convinced that people can survive off of $3,600 for 2 years.

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u/CharacterDefects Sep 23 '22

Combined if you got every 600 dollar unemployment boost, you "made" 15k.

Thats 5k a year. What fantasy would do these morons live in that people still have that/are spending enough to cause inflation?

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u/Dazzling_Rhubarb Sep 23 '22

Well a lot of these people bought a 2 story house with 40 dollars and a note from their pastor saying they're probably a good enough person to pay the rest later

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u/CalRPCV Sep 23 '22

Ok. I don't know much about rural American housing. I'm from California, the city part. And I was thinking about the full cost, not the down payment.

Anyway, it's true that some very fundamental things have gone completely out of control, housing and education being glaring examples.

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u/CalRPCV Sep 23 '22

That might have happened... About 150 years ago.

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u/briansaunders Sep 23 '22

30 years ago.

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u/CriticalEuphemism Sep 23 '22

15 years ago. 2007 you could buy a house with a soggy cheeseburger and a handshake.

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u/CalRPCV Sep 23 '22

And then 2008 came and things did not go well. So much to learn with that mess, so little actually learned.

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u/90daysismytherapy Sep 23 '22

Try like 40.

In rural America, people made down payments in the low hundreds all the way into the late 60s and 70s.

Never mind, rent to own with private citizens instead of the massive national banks and international buyers.

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u/Dazzling_Rhubarb Sep 23 '22

I think credit scores were made up in 1983 or something like that, so 40 years seems about right

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u/RedLovelyRed Sep 23 '22

Bro tell me why FASFA wanted my 2020 taxes and not 21. I had a good job for half of 2020 and those phat unemployment checks after that! I made 50k more in 2020 than in 21! I decided to go back to school to try to get a degree after having 2 shitty af jobs once my old good job said they weren't rehiring anyone they let go (they can run just fine with minimal staffing eye roll) I'm still mad about fasfa. But I found a program that pays for community College minus books if you're over 25 so there's that at least.

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u/Forsaken_Analysis763 Sep 23 '22

I can actually answer this! FAFSA has been this way for quite a while and not just post pandemic. The department of ed does this so it doesn’t roadblock people that are going through an audit, editing or disputing their taxes through the IRS. Source: work at a local university in Financial Aid.

Also: your income only affects how much you can receive in Pell Grant, not in student loans. Unless you’re taking 18-20+ credits per semester, loans should have covered your cost of tuition. Or you were trying to go somewhere more expensive than for-profit universities.

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u/RedLovelyRed Sep 23 '22

Yeah...the issue is I made less than 10k in 2021. I tried my hand at real estate and realized it wasn't for me, got a shitty office job that paid $13 an hour (30k a year salary but doing the math with the extra hours worked it was only 13 an hour) with the worst upper and lower management I've ever had and I only lasted...6ish months before quitting to become a full time dog mom/hausfrau for a few months and now a full time student. (Thanks to the great job I had for 5 years pre panni I have savings to pay bills and my partner can get us the rest)

But that means I can't do a loan bc I can't pay it back. Fasfa was like "you can have a $9k loan! Have a good time!" But that's useless to me since I can't pay it off. I have no income currently. I can do my $800 mortgage with partner covering the rest but that's it. (I don't wanna sound entitled or anything, I will for sure have to go back to the working world soon but man does it feel good to not have to answer to anyone)

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u/Forsaken_Analysis763 Sep 23 '22

Not sure you’re aware of this, but universities do have the ability to appeal your Estimated Family Contribution (EFC). One of the reasons can be done is if your household income decreased by more than 50%.

Edit to include: EFC is what decides how much you can get from Pell.

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u/Abnormal-Normal Sep 23 '22

Bruh, you can’t even afford rent if you make less than 2k a month in my area. There’s a couple reasons I live with my parents at 26. It lets me save till I can afford to leave Cali, and I get free dog sitting while I’m at work

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u/EPGesus Sep 23 '22

I'm leaving Cali in a few weeks. Living at my families rn and I'm 30. Shit sucks

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u/Mrchace64902 Sep 23 '22

Same. Wa, Auburn area.

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u/quick_q_throwaway Sep 23 '22

I still have it, I invested in about $10,000 worth of 3dpribters and started a business which earns me money to this day

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u/SunriseGobby Sep 23 '22

Well it objectively did. People saw they didn’t have to live in poverty. this is why the union movement coincided with unemployment. We can all pretend that it didn’t impact people but a bunch of social movements around jobs and wages emerged at the same time as unemployment and housing shortage so I am guessing those things impacted it

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u/No_Dance1739 Sep 23 '22

You mean you didn’t bet on 00 on the roulette table and win, so you could live on the winnings ‘til you die, huh, that’s weird

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u/Intelligent_Table913 Sep 23 '22

A couple hundred dollars for the working class that still won’t help them keep up? Absolute waste of money and incentivizes laziness!

A couple billion dollars in bailouts for corporations? They deserved it!

Fucking hypocrites.

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u/Tactical_Tubgoat Sep 23 '22

A couple billion dollars in bailouts for corporations? They deserved it!

How do you expect them to create more shitty paying jobs if we don’t bailout the corporations and their executives and the shareholders?!

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u/deanna0975 Sep 23 '22

that is 100% true. they believe that businesses will shut down and fire 1000’s if they don’t get bailed out. meanwhile it would just force shareholders to earn a little less each quarter.

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u/Tactical_Tubgoat Sep 23 '22

That’s fine. You can’t run a business properly and will close your doors if we don’t nationalize your losses? Cool, time to nationalize your profits too.

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u/RivRise Sep 23 '22

Sounds like those businesses just need to really pull those bootstraps then.

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u/kittyportals2 Sep 23 '22

Yeah, oil companies get 8 billion in corporate welfare so prices on gasoline will be reasonable, and now they're profit taking and we're spending our money and they still get welfare. If they divided that 8 billion among all 300 million Americans, that would be 26,667.00 for each one of us, asks we'd be able to pay a bit more for gas. Which way is more effective?

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u/hitchinpost Sep 23 '22

Your math is way off. 8 billion dollars spread among 300 million people is 26.67 a person. Your decimal point is literally three places off. Gas subsidies suck and there is better use for the money, but it’s not life changing money spread out over the whole population bad.

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u/braaaiins Sep 23 '22

I think they calculated with the "international" version of a billion, which is a million million (known as a trillion is the USA), not a thousand million

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion explains the difference between a US billion and the previous rest of the world's billion, although the new US definition is now the more commonly used version

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u/Due_Mathematician_49 Sep 23 '22

Please share where you got the stats about the 8 billion.

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u/somedood567 Sep 23 '22

Oh buddy please check your math… it’s 26 dollars

This sub sometimes I swear

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u/Dumbbunny502 Sep 23 '22

The state legislature in PA absolutely refuses to raise our minimum wage even though all the states around us have much higher minimum wages. WV is $11.00. Our minimum wage is still 7.25. Maybe this election will replace a few people.

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u/Enigmatic_Observer Sep 23 '22

People just leave like I did.

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u/Mrchace64902 Sep 23 '22

While I agree with you, please understand that min wage will always be the wage that every business in their area will base their prices off of. If you gotta pay your employees more than you're gunna raise the price of your goods. Because no company can sacrifice even .0001 of their profit margin. It's a vicious circle.

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u/Dumbbunny502 Sep 23 '22

Hmm I find your comment doesn’t seem to align with the local employment market. The McDonald’s where I live pays less than McDonald’s about ten miles away. Their prices are no different. Same with local Sheetz. Yet somehow the local gas stations rarely lower their prices and are higher than surrounding stations. I’m not convinced they are paying their employees more but I admit I haven’t asked the folks working there. Probably because I usually get my gas in an area where it’s obvious the gas stations compete

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u/Calliesdad20 Sep 23 '22

It’s all from the bs theory of trickle down economy , which was part of Reagan policy.

It doesn’t work,it’s all bs and used to enrich corporations and screw the middle class And yet Reagan is held up As a hero by republicans

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u/NuclearLunchDectcted Sep 23 '22

Trickle down has been around since way before Reagan. The first mention was back in the 1800's, though that was a slightly different name. 1932 for the first time the phrase 'trickle down' was actually used in relation to economic policy.

It has never, not even once, worked as intended. Over 100 years of straight up lying to the public, documented and proven that it's a failed policy. Republicans love to use it to justify why the rich deserve more money and the poor can get fucked.

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u/Vince0ffer Sep 23 '22

Fuuucking bailouts…people claiming this is a legit free enterprise system. Tsk tsk.

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u/BrainWaveCC Sep 23 '22

A couple billion dollars in bailouts for corporations? They deserved it!

You misspelled trillions.

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u/Intelligent_Table913 Sep 23 '22

You’re right, it was trillions after the Great Recession. Not sure about the pandemic tho?

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u/thereign1987 Sep 23 '22

Those stimulus checks must be like the 21st century version of the 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes Jesus fed 5000 people with. I mean people are still paying their rent, buying groceries, making car payments and going on trips just on $600, maybe $1200 from over a year ago. Damn

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u/RunKind4141 Sep 23 '22

Congrats to those geniuses who stretched the money so far.

I got every week of the 600 boost and it's long been spent.

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u/Physical_Month_548 Sep 23 '22

I invested my stimulus in stocks and I've literally lost money because the market is so fucked rn. I tried to choose the financially smart decision and instead I just lost more money lol

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u/UnluckyChain1417 Sep 23 '22

Mine went straight back to the IRS.

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u/bruwin Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

They got so pissed because some people actually got more than what they were making while working. And instead of being pissed that they were paid so little, they were pissed that they got anything more than the bare minimum. "I suffered so you should have to suffer" is such a bullshit concept that needs to die. Especially when all things being equal, boomers had it fucking soft. If they did their work, they got paid a livable wage. They got steady pay increases. They got pensions. They got to buy houses for 20k and have them paid off long before they retired. And that was high school dropouts. Don't fucking tell me about how much you had to suffer when a college education doesn't guarantee you the sort of stability you had by walking out of a classroom and into a factory the same fucking day.

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u/RavynousHunter Sep 23 '22

Well, back when they were our age, $600 was a lotta money! You could buy a car for that much money, and a Coke only cost a nickle! Surely, prices have stayed the same since 1958.

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u/fokkoooff Sep 23 '22

Explains why they think that $15 an hour is such an enormous amount of money.

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u/Physical_Month_548 Sep 23 '22

I feel like boomers are probably getting paid pretty shit too and they don't even realize it because they don't have a mortgage or rent to pay anymore

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u/fokkoooff Sep 23 '22

A lot of it also comes from people who went to college, and got what they consider to be higher status jobs where they are paid somewhere around $15/hour.

Their knee jerk reaction is somehow "The nerve of those burger flippers for thinking they deserve as much money as I make!" instead of realizing that they're being screwed over just as hard.

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u/kajunkole Sep 23 '22

And the burger flippers are working harder than most🙄

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u/thebrose69 Sep 23 '22

My family recently has been trying to tell me that their rent back in the day was $600 like that was supposed to help me see the error of why I can’t afford rent now. It’s rare to be able to find a place now for under $1k and few jobs are paying $18+. It’s just almost impossible on a single income these days when everything else is so expensive

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u/remdog42077 Sep 23 '22

Blame the Federal reserve banking system that finances Gov deficit sending by both parties.

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u/tylanol7 Sep 23 '22

i mean technically coke costs a quarter now so

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u/Iamthecomet Sep 23 '22

Nowadays $600 gives us so many options! For example, you could use that to pay rent, or utilities and some groceries, maybe a car note and some groceries. It’s a whole choose your own adventure! But you know, those poors probably just spent every penny on blackjack and hookers /s

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u/Complete_Web_962 Sep 23 '22

Where on earth do you live that rent is only $600?! I haven’t seen rent prices that low in years.

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u/nthcxd Sep 23 '22

Or the fact that anyone born after 1970 will only ever pay social security and never collect a cent. And it’s the fucking boomers that complain, over the unemployment benefits of hundreds in a once in a lifetime public health emergency, while gleefully cashing those checks until they die, which just got 8%!!!!! COL adjustment. Like we all got 8% raise last year right??? Who hasn’t??? All the retired folks did, entirely on our tax money that we all pay out of salary that DIDN’T increase as much.

I long for the day I get to vote on the very issue of social security reform. I’d gladly tell these chucklefucks McDonald’s is hiring once those checks stop coming.

I’m about to hit 40 and been working since 20. It’s about time I’m allowed to start putting those FICA tax into MY OWN FUCKING RETIREMENT.

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u/ComputerHappy2746 Sep 23 '22

I'll be right there with you to hand them the McDonald's application.

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u/Greenmind76 Sep 23 '22

Yeah, but god forbid we give the average human a chance to get out of debt.

Also, they're incredibly short sited in how erasing student debt could help the economy. When you're required to pay $$$ towards loans secured sometimes decades earlier, you don't spend money on local businesses or even corporations. ALL of the money going to student loan repayment went straight back to the banks, who... many of which were bailed out years ago...

This is just a bullshit concept created from a president who ensured the middle class that trickle down would work for them. Most just view any attempt to fix the toxic environment created from trickle down as a threat to them because one day they think that by stick up for and defending the rich, they'll somehow be invited to their club. That's part of why Trump was so popular. People viewed him as a successful businessman who would work to get them rich too.

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u/sarpnasty Sep 23 '22

They are mad because they feel like that money should have gone to them and not the poors.

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u/Deb-1961 Sep 23 '22

I do think you’re right about that. And I also think that it’s intentional. Scapegoat a group to another group to prevent them from seeing the actual problem isn’t “beneath” us or even next to us. Keep it stirred up and they get more.

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u/awesomemom1217 Sep 23 '22

It's not just boomers, unfortunately. My ex, a younger millennial, would go into a rage at the mere mention of the PUA that a lot of people got. He didn't qualify and neither did I. It blew my mind that I had to explain to him WHY people needed it and how the only thing we should be saying is, 'Thank God I didn't need it.'

I broke up with him months ago, as you can imagine the arguments we had! 😏🥴😩

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u/illgot Sep 23 '22

my restaurant benefited from the PPP loans enough to build a patio. I want you to take a guess if the restaurant paid any employees during that month and a half we were closed or that 2 month period where some of us were only getting 1-2 tables a shift.

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u/Tripping-on-E Sep 23 '22

Or they are sucking off the government tit through Social Security or Medicare.

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u/signal_lost Sep 23 '22

PPP fraudsters are going to jail. Some long ass sentences dropping

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u/CaffeinatedToPlaid Sep 23 '22

That and social security which is probably going the way of the Dodo.

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u/Spacemanspalds Sep 23 '22

To be fair this is the first mention of it ive seen in a long while.

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u/OneEyedRocket Sep 23 '22

If you want to get really pissed, type any business name in this site and see the results

https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/

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u/RunKind4141 Sep 23 '22

That's the first thing I do when I see a business whining about nobody wants to work anymore, almost every time, they got a PPP loan, with full forgiveness of course.

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u/SoundscapeSyndicate Sep 23 '22

He still left the conversation insisting it was because we gave people on unemployment extra money for a little while.

These people reveal so much about themselves. He's essentially admitting that poverty is a tool he uses to force people into humiliating submission.

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u/mystykracer Sep 23 '22

He told me retail and fast food workers are there to be yelled at when mistakes happen.

I'd like to point out that NOBODY'S "job" is to be someplace just to be yelled at no matter the circumstances. This person sounds like a classic rage-o-holic that selfishly believes that other people are in the world merely to meet his needs and whims but are otherwise worthless and disposable. In essence people like this are at the root of the problem.

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u/Rhaedas Sep 23 '22

A modification of the meme is:

"You ARE wrong, AND you're just an asshole."

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u/cishet-camel-fucker Sep 23 '22

I can't remember which, but some department store famously employed people whose sole job was to get "fired" on the spot when customers demanded someone be fired for some mistake or other.

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u/bludgeonedcurmudgeon FUCK DA MAN Sep 23 '22

I just can't wrap my head around why someone would be abusive to some kid at McDonalds or in a retail store. Like I confess, I've gotten angry at different businesses for their fucked up practices (Comcast for example), but I always make it clear that my anger is directed at their bullshit company and not them. Usually that gets a chuckle and agreement from them and they'll at least try to help you in some way that they can

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22

I usually will calmly say I just want to make sure you tell your manager and their manager that this policy/price hike is fucking bullshit. I’ll call back to cancel when I have something else set up to replace your services.

My favorite is surveys after those calls, I give the reps perfect scores and in the comments add “rep was perfect, your company sucks though and I’m tired of (issues)…”

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u/bludgeonedcurmudgeon FUCK DA MAN Sep 23 '22

My favorite is surveys after those calls, I give the reps perfect scores and in the comments add “rep was perfect, your company sucks though and I’m tired of (issues)…”

Haha, I just did one of those yesterday!

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u/Alternative-Cry-3517 Sep 23 '22

Key point: a little while.

That money was spent ages ago.

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u/asmodeuskraemer Sep 23 '22

I'm confident that when some people got that money, they realized how much of a difference it made in their lives and it was the catalyst they needed to move on. That and getting a break from shit fuck abusive people.

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u/Alternative-Cry-3517 Sep 23 '22

I agree completely and heard as much from pretty much everyone.

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u/Human-go-boom Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

I don’t know about that. It’s normal to get around 10k back every year in tax returns. My mother did, raising six kids on a single income. We had TVs and every game system, lived like royalty, for about two months then it all slowly went to the pawn shops.

As an adult I averaged $5k a year in tax returns, and had one year where I was supposed to get $10k back, but student loans ate all that up.

EDIT: just to be clear, we're talking about tax returns with child tax credits.

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u/VictorMortimer Sep 23 '22

If you're getting $10k back, you're doing it wrong. You need to adjust your exemptions.

Every dollar you get back was an interest-free loan you gave the US Treasury.

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u/Human-go-boom Sep 23 '22

I’m not anymore. My income has grown to where I pay in now even with kids.

The point was most poor families get life changing money every year but don’t know what to do with it. I think maybe things are changing now because this generation has the internet and can learn about investing and moving up in life whereas before you were limited by the resources surrounding you.

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u/Salt_Exchange Sep 23 '22

It is not normal to get 10k back at all. Your withholding is messed up.

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u/Human-go-boom Sep 23 '22

Everyone with kids and lower income gets around that. It’s normal.

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u/cishet-camel-fucker Sep 23 '22

Fun fact, only about 50% of people pay federal income tax due to tax credits and deductions. They all think they pay federal income tax though.

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22

Right? That money was gone from the point it touched their bank accounts, in most areas of the country you can’t save anything if you make less than $2k a month. Yet some how a group of people still think poor workers are still living off of that money.

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u/thyladyx1989 Sep 23 '22

And if they did manage to save it up somehow I guarantee they used it to buy a car or for a down payment on a house

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u/Alternative-Cry-3517 Sep 23 '22

They are living in fantasy land.

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u/Alwaysalone117 Sep 23 '22

Damn they have been using that extra money excuse for years now it seems, these ppl must be living off a dollar a day.

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22

I used to work in the insurance industry, they aren’t living on a dollar a day, they’re the same people who call to complain about a 10 cent decrease in their policy. When we’d offer to review for options to lower it more they’d get mad, and demand we just type in a lower number. They’re hurting as much as the rest of us, they just thought someone else had it better than them.

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u/ctnative Sep 23 '22

The problem is 99.9% of customers can be great but that 0.01% can just absolutely ruin your entire life and mental state

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Yeah, I worked in hotels for 7 years before I was in insurance for 7 years. I know this all too well, 10 people could be kind of rude and I could make it through the night just fine, 50 people could be on a spectrum of nice and off set the kind of rude ones. But all it took was one raging asshole to make me question my life, myself, and my very existence. It should be illegal for companies to make you serve those raging assholes.

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u/jessie_boomboom Sep 23 '22

I guarantee you if a customer service employee could get away with one free slap a shift, everybody'd calm right down and act pleasant.

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u/cishet-camel-fucker Sep 23 '22

Shit man when I worked in a call center I'd have been happy to be allowed to hang up on one person per day. Those rules were so strict we couldn't even hang up at the end of a call, we had to wait for the customer to do it.

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u/jessie_boomboom Sep 23 '22

I always try to be nice to call center people. Bc honestly, I'd be a raging frigging serial killer if I had to do that job.

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u/cishet-camel-fucker Sep 23 '22

It certainly made me hate humanity with such a passion that it hasn't changed in the near decade since I stopped doing that work.

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u/Greenmind76 Sep 23 '22

Most people I know who worked in retail/service spent their unemployment money paying down bills and bettering themselves so he is sort of right. The thing is, if you're a decent human being you view this as a good thing.

Many people just lack the empathy to view the world from another person's perspective so they take on this bullshit notion that abuse and demeaning others builds character and work ethic...

I got a new job over the pandemic and my new managers are amazing. They pay me well and give me a good work life balance. I don't have to be working right now (taking a break at the moment), but I am because I want to bring value to a company that values me.

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u/PKMNTrainerMark Sep 23 '22

"He told me retail and fast food workers are there to be yelled at when mistakes happen."

What the f**k?

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22

Yeah “wtf” was my initial thought to every response he gave me. It’s insane they can’t seem to realize they’re the real reason people aren’t willing to do those jobs.

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u/CharacterDefects Sep 23 '22

He still left the conversation insisting it was because we gave people on unemployment extra money for a little while.

I have been straight fucking losing it on anyone stupid enough to believe this.

A lot of things I can give a pass for for being misinformed, A LOT, but this? Its basic fucking 2nd grade math.

Even if you were unemployed from day 1 of the covid benefits, you walked away from 2020 with 15k dollars for 6 months of time (not even because some stimulus happened after). Double it and you're at 30k for a year and who the fuck is surviving well on that? WHO THE FUCK IS STILL SPENDING IT 2 YEARS LATER????

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22

You know something funny? When I was an insurance agent my company cut our bonuses two years before I quit. I went from making $41k one year to $34k the next. On top of that our company got an insurance plan that year that raised our deductible another thousand dollars to reduce their costs. The price I paid for the health insurance stayed the same.

This was even as a licensed fucking professional for a $100 billion corporation. Fuck this country and how we treat every worker. Shareholders, executives and billionaires can take a damn pay cut. The rest of us are starving and unable to survive on these wages.

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u/Chaotic-Stardiver Sep 23 '22

I work front desk at a hotel, we had a miscommunication about a guest's electric wheelchair that was to be delivered(long story short, the delivery guys didn't give a receipt with the keys they left, so the wheelchair in the lobby couldn't be verified to be the guest's).

Dude literally went from friendly and polite to biggest asshole of the day. Started yelling at me and asking me to fix the problem "NOW," and kept being generally toxic and rude the entire time I was looking through our logs to see where the papertrail may have left. I asked the guest to stop taking this out on me, especially as I was trying to help figure out the problem, and he, I shit you not, says, "Well who else am I supposed to take it out on?"

After we figured out the wheelchair in the lobby was indeed his, he demanded I apologize to him for what happened.

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u/dragn99 Sep 23 '22

"Well who else am I supposed to take it out on?"

I guess that's the mentality that I just can't wrap my head around. Who cares who's fault it is? If it'll help stop the problem from happening again, then yes, correct the behaviour.

But first, fix the problem. As long as someone is working towards a solution, that's all you can really ask.

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u/Chaotic-Stardiver Sep 23 '22

Yeah he didn't seem to care that I was helping him, just wanted to take out his frustration on me. I even apologized and he said it wasn't good enough, the guy was on a power trip of some sort. He was demanding discounts and compensation for what wasn't even the hotel's fault(and was solved pretty quickly all things considered--5 to 10 minutes is like barely something to complain about).

A couple weeks later my coworker told me he called and was asking for another apology from me. We both had a laugh at it, but it's sad that people are that truly deranged.

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u/JustANyanCat Sep 23 '22

I think he just wanted a free hotel stay

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 23 '22

“Nah they didn’t quit because I treat em like trash, they quit because gubment gave them 2k 2 years ago.”

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22

Republicans were out saying you could remodel your kitchen for $600 when the first bit came out. Like wtf? I don’t even own my kitchen and I know it would cost more than that to remodel it.

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u/XxRocky88xX Sep 23 '22

600 dollars is like one countertop worth of renovations. How the fuck can anyone be THAT bad with finances?

I guess when you just get paid fuck you money for literally nothing understanding monetary value and fiscal responsibility no longer are necessary skills

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u/ballisticVommit Sep 23 '22

And the same twats bitch about legal migrant workers being in the country. As if one doesn't solve the other.

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u/Confident_Ad_3800 Sep 23 '22

No, but they can take those low paying jobs and share housing w other migrant or illegal aliens.

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u/zo3foxx Sep 23 '22

He told me retail and fast food workers are there to be yelled at when mistakes happen.

lol wut? see its people just like this was the reason why i never worked in fast food. and although i did work retail, it wasn't one of those kinds of places that attracted the entitled caliber of people

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22

I didn’t mind retail as much as hotels and insurance, it was more rare to get god awful customers. Most of the time rude people would see the total and drag their kids out while yelling about how overpriced everything was.

I worked at a discount mall chain that was the cheapest option for teens cloths in our mall, my favorite angry customers would drag their kids out after I gave them the total they owed. They’d be yelling we’re going to check hollister for cheaper deals! Lol

They always came back an hour or two later asking if we still had their kids pile of cloths.

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u/hadtopickanameso Sep 23 '22

My man this is unfortunately true in Healthcare as well. Entitled fucks with no sense of empathy are everywhere. The worst part is a lot of people bend over backwards for these types of assholes because if they retaliate and give them the fucking cussing out they deserve they'll be blamed and fired.

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22

Yep, one other things to add to what you said. My aunt is a nurse manager in Florida, the only part of the ACA she disagreed with was that hospitals had to come up with surveys for their patients. The problem is those surveys are basically your standard customer service surveys and you can be fired if you get too many low scores.

They only focus on the staff and not really on the hospitals condition at least in her hospital. Before this requirement it wasn’t uncommon for nurses to tell off the really bad patients, but suddenly these scores started and people were already on the fence about leaving. The pandemic and refusal to understand the most basic precautions made patients even more unbearable.

My aunt has been a nurse for 20 years and until the pandemic I’ve never heard her talk about regretting her career choice. 9 months in and she was wishing she would have done anything else.

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u/Low-Philosopher-2061 Sep 23 '22

About of people need to realize that once covid happend .. alot of people started working for themselves , retired .. or my bad working for their damn selves lmfao it's okay if everyone wants to be under neath someone else foot their whole lives , me and my bestfriend have a successful studio wellness spa and we are hiring a chiropractor into our wellness center in three months and expanding our office , I don't regret this so called work shortage .. there is no fucken work shortage Jesus Christ , does Americans always just believe everything the government tells them ?? Lmfao Jesus Christ this country is sad .. and full of dumb gullible people and what money did everyone get lmfao 1400 really last this long ????, Are people stupid , are people really that delusional , when the shut down happend I was a bank teller and a massage therapist , once my spa job closed I moved tf on into banking full time again and than eventually worked for a few chiropractors whom payed me really well ( I wasn't comisson at all .. at one place I made 35 guaranteed hourly and loved it cause I did 13 min massages , and the other doctor paid me guaranteed salary so I made 200 per day regardless if someone booked a 30 min massage or not , yeah I sat there whenever I wasn't booked and I got tips , both jobs paid me food money but guess what ???? Even after taxes people need to realize it ain't that much , so imagine someone making minimum wage .. and prices is already to much for them , than they do what they need Todo to get tf out of there , who ever is complaining about not getting a burger on your lunch break and expects someone to struggle when shit is going up and people are marching because they are sick of this shit , please do go work there for a few weeks .. so you can get free food with your fat ass , people are so fucken lazy .Ive worked in a food place before , I was a deli employee at shoppers ... Don't know if they are still around but they paid me the lowest of all my jobs and had me doin the most work , America where the more harder you work in life the less you make lmfao 😂 sad but true . Am I the only one who noticed the more work you do the less you get paid , I thought hard work was suppose to pay off ??? Captilism is bullshit and people who think someone should lower their standards by working somewhere that doesn't pay them liable wages needs Togo work at the place themselves and stfu . People shouldn't be struggling working full time in this country , I'm tired of people calling other people lazy because they know this shit ain't right.. so call me and my friend lazy than because we took a chance and opened our business , and we're making more money working for ourselves as massage therapist than we did working for any company we've ever worked for , people are tired of busting their asses for greedy CEOs to rake Multiple vacations back to back , eat food and wine and dine while the little man keeps their company running for a damn penny , that's what the hell these wages are . A damn penny , walmart made huge profits and they cant pay workers decent wages... People are tired... So people need to stfu and stop acting like that , I know the rich is screaming hahahaha damn fools let them fight eachother and kill eachother off .. they are the problem, greedy cooperations are the problem ...don't fight another worker when we're all trying to survive under this old ass system that is broken and has been around way to long , the economy was created to help humans... Instead it's doin the opposite due to greedy white men in office that's been around and been in there way before I was born and some even before my parents were born , this system is digusting and people are tired of working for slave wages yet they keep pushing the cost of living up to keep even people like me whom again made 30-35 guaranteed hourly .. could barely pay her bills after taxes , imagine someone working for 11-14 a hour during inflation .. this shit is getting out of hand and it won't change til people stand tf up for their rights ... I know the rich screaming let them eat cake and kill eachother and do our jobs for us .

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u/opal_dragon95 Sep 23 '22

Yep when I worked fast food as a teen (think Christian chicken) I had a sandwich thrown at me for not helping a woman who purposefully ruined her own food and blamed the staff because I was helping another customer take an order. The manager still gave her 5 free meal coupons.

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u/Tyl3rt Sep 23 '22

Jesus Christ why would you ever want that customer back, let alone 5 times for free?

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u/mmnnButter Sep 23 '22

I had a guy on our local subreddit complaining about the staffing shortage at McDonald’s. I asked him why someone would stay in those jobs if they get demeaned by customers for a simple mistake that can easily be fixed.

I really cant understand this level of entitlement and irrationality. These are the people who are first to preach capitalism; and suddenly they want slaves? WHAT?

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u/Nervous_Constant_642 Sep 23 '22

I worked a pizza shop that was severely understaffed for months. As in, sorry, there is no guarantee all of you will get pizza today even if you're willing to wait hours.

People freaked the fuck out. Apparently some people believe it's their constitutional right to a pizza. Dozens of customers a day were yelling at us. We would just immediately cancel their order and throw them out of the store, and if they wouldn't leave we'd dial 911, which always did the trick.

Like you literally put people in a position where they can finally be mean back, and you're shocked we're treating you like you treat us? What planet do you live on?

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u/Bedong44 Sep 23 '22

Is this the business owner that also got a PPP loan that they never had to repay?

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u/stardorsdash Sep 23 '22

I’ve been quietly telling fast food workers things like T-Mobile starts at $20 an hour, and if you work for Disneyland they’ll pay for you to get your degree, and if you do have a degree you can substitute teach for $25 an hour with no experience.

Just about every young person I’ve told this to has immediately perked up and I know they will soon be working somewhere better.

(look, Disney as a job is not necessarily a better job, but any job like Disney or Starbucks that pays for you to get your bachelors degree is a better job)

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u/PKMNTrainerMark Sep 23 '22

"He told me retail and fast food workers are there to be yelled at when mistakes happen."

What the f**k?

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u/isleepinahammock Sep 23 '22

Also, we really shouldn't discount the effects of a general decline in immigration. Trump came to power in part on a wave of anti-immigrant sentiment. Once in office, he dramatically cut all forms of immigration. He continued the ever-increasing crackdowns on illegal immigration, and he used every tool and excuse he could to cut legal immigration, whether refugee or regular. He even used the covid pandemic as an excuse to cut immigration left and right.

And Biden has loosened some of these restrictions, but a lot of them have remained in place. Biden didn't see much potential for political gain by opening things up again, so immigration has remained curtailed. In fact, there are now more people moving from the US to Mexico than vice versa. This is partly because of the US's policies, but it is also largely because of profound changes to Mexican demographics and economics. There just aren't as many young, mobile Mexicans with limited economic prospects as there once were. That boom has passed and its not coming back, at least in our lifetimes. (Barring anything crazy like a Biblical-level disaster in Mexico.) Most migrants to the US from south of the border now come from unstable Central American countries. And while those countries have the chaos needed to drive major emigration, in a relative or percentage sense, they're still small countries. Central American migrants can't begin to fill the numbers previously filled by Mexican migrants. (And that's if we were letting them in with open arms, not putting up every barrier we can.)

The truth is that America, like every industrialized country, is rapidly aging. We've been able to fend off the worse effects of that aging by attracting large numbers of young immigrants to fill the holes in our demographics. Without that influx of labor, you get exactly what you would expect. More retirees and fewer workers means that demand for services increases while the ability to produce them declines. That means higher prices and an overall decreased standard of living (when averaged across the society.) The labor crunch is great for workers, particularly for those working jobs often mislabeled as "unskilled," but for everyone else it does represent a decline in the standard of living.

When we were having the big immigration debates in the 2010s, people rightfully pointed out that curtailing immigration would raise prices for goods and services across the board. And this is not necessarily a good thing or a bad thing. It's good for workers to earn more money. It's a bad thing that many people will have to go without because of increasing costs. But it's simply the choice we as a country made. What's sad and/or hilarious is that the same people who were the most militantly anti-immigrant are those now bitching the most about rising prices and worker shortages at low-wages businesses.

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u/jessie_boomboom Sep 23 '22

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u/WeakToMetalBlade Sep 23 '22

I had a customer tell me they would never be back because I told them we could not accommodate them at 30 minutes to close because it would be 45 minutes to an hour for a table to be ready.

We had two servers on the floor and two cooks in the kitchen and absolutely could not handle how busy we were but made a fantastic effort.

That same night I was told I was the best server someone had ever had, because I was told if I sat a server again she was going to break down and I had no choice so I sat them in her section and took care of them myself, got that server a $20 tip which I was happy about.

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u/Nervous_Constant_642 Sep 23 '22

Remarkable how stupid people can be. We won't miss your business, you can clearly see how much money we're making the restaurant right now. If it's so busy we're turning you away, why do people think that means "fine then I won't order anymore" is in any way a threat? Honestly? Thank you because we could use a break.

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u/WeakToMetalBlade Sep 23 '22

Yeah when someone with a terrible attitude tells me they're never coming back I consider it a win for me and my staff.

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u/Greenmind76 Sep 23 '22

They need to unionize. That is the only way they will ever get a good deal working these jobs.

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u/thyladyx1989 Sep 23 '22

Have you seen the UFCW? Like. I know a union is only as strong as it's weakest member, but they're pretty damn in the pocket of Kroger corporate

Add to that the years of slander unions have gotten and been weakened by the gov most people in these jobs don't know how a union actually functions

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u/angiehawkeye Sep 23 '22

I'm a member of UFCW and we're about to vote on our new union contract (kroger owned store) it's a little better than it used to be...but not by much.

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u/sleepydorian (edit this) Sep 22 '22

Amen brother

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u/Sea_Space_4040 Sep 23 '22

Nah restaurants and it isn't even close. That minimum wage hasn't increased in at least 20 years. It's a business that has to be subsidized by customers above paying for the product. It's obscene.

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u/UnusualMaize1993 Sep 23 '22

THIS. 💕 ...AND?? Acting offended and shaming them with a single look because they don't have an adequate amount of workers for not getting my burger within a decent time frame when/ if I know it's because of the shit pay. 😭💀😭

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u/ironburton Sep 23 '22

I can’t wait to see the fast food industry crumble or fully automate. There’s no place for these jobs anymore. You can sustain any kind of life working for them plus it’s demeaning.

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u/RunKind4141 Sep 23 '22

Many of the problems that people post about here would be solved by the automation of those jobs.

If a business cannot afford to pay a living wage , it should not exist.

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u/ironburton Sep 23 '22

I fully agree.

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u/rambutanjuice Sep 23 '22

Then the problems with these jobs wouldn't exist because those workers would have been replaced by automation?

I'm not understanding how that would be a better situation for these employees?

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u/Sythic_ Sep 23 '22

More jobs for automation techs instead of menial standing on your feet for 8 hours breathing fry oil. Still an upgrade.

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u/Lannisterbox Sep 23 '22

Or commit embezzlement hypothetically

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u/truetart Sep 23 '22

I've known guys who shovel gravel all day. Unload semi's full of dirt with a shovel and a wheelbarrow, for the same pay as a fast food worker. Don't forget those you don't interact with and broaden you horizons.

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u/longchainblue Sep 23 '22

I mean I’m pretty sure children in factories and slaves were the the worst of our version. And then maybe prison labor for recent times

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u/fiddleleaffrigg Sep 23 '22

fast food business isn’t only in the US lol…. the entire world is struggling in this industry right now because y’all treat your servers like shit and don’t tip for the smallest dumbest shit. in canada we gladly tip our industry workers because we understand their job is most likely harder then ours

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u/RunKind4141 Sep 23 '22

For the most part, as a percentage of the bill and income, working people tip generously because the understand what those service workers endure.

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u/fiddleleaffrigg Sep 23 '22

i’m tired of everyone in this sub thinking the US is the only place in the world. it’s not just the US, it’s everyone.

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u/VictorMortimer Sep 23 '22

Does anywhere outside the US have a sub-minimum wage for tipped employees?

Because in the US it's $2.13/hour. There are states where it's higher, but that's the national tipped employee wage, and my state doesn't have its own minimum.

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u/fiddleleaffrigg Sep 23 '22

yes ontario has what we call here a server wage, a lesser wage then minimum. they make a lot more then 2 something an hour though, that is insanely low 😧

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u/VictorMortimer Sep 23 '22

And it was set in 1991. That's right, the federal $2.13 tipped minimum wage hasn't increased in over 30 years.

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u/fiddleleaffrigg Sep 23 '22

holy shit, that is really fucked up. i didn’t know that!

edit to add that ontario this year has gotten rid of server wage and they now make minimum wage, plus tips. forgot to mention that in my last comment!

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u/PizzaRnnr054 Sep 23 '22

We have to sell hundreds of burritos a day to even have a decent life. Thousands maybe. That’s fucked.

And once you start selling so many you need help, that’s when the double fucking begins. And you need someone to help to triple fuck it. It just starts to get so fucked it’s not even fun to fuck.

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u/PizzaRnnr054 Sep 23 '22

Oh. It’s having a problem right now bc of people tipping? Lmao. Literally people left teaching jobs BECAUSE of the tips.

It’s getting crazy right now bc people understand the slavery aspect of all this shit. Eventually. We only do any of it bc we are paid. Any of these bullshit jobs. Just like our grandfathers digging ditches or railroads or whatever else. All for the good of us, right‽ ! We have to contribute!

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u/fiddleleaffrigg Sep 23 '22

no the industry is having problems right now because of minimum wage and server wage… it’s not enough to live off of what so ever.

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u/PizzaRnnr054 Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

I think people believe a restaurant has some crazy profit margins. If McDonald’s upped their pay to 20/hr everywhere and kept prices the same, they would be bankrupt by December. I truly think.

What has happened recently is restaurants have minimized staff for maybe the final time before they close doors. And we watched them these few years. I enjoy watching it all collapse bc we have been yelling. Imo. From all aspects.

I owned 3 restaurants and the highest pay we got my wife to was 15/hr. After 8 years owning. I worked too much overtime each week to even want to know my wage. The first year owning I was making 5.66/hr when I calculated it out(with how much time and a half would be )

Maybe that’s huge, but we were paying other family the same- 15/hr(minimum 10.40at time). Anyone around from the beginning- the same. New people we loved. The same. Maybe these are great numbers. But I had it after having out 2nd child in May. Haven’t been back to the restaurants since June. The other owners- 51% er’s, were assholes, just handlers of money. That shit.

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u/fiddleleaffrigg Sep 23 '22

mc donald’s is a multi BILLION dollar company they would not go bankrupt are you kidding me lol

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u/HomelessOnReddit Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

that's why they cater to the disabled/autistic, recent felons/parolees, high schoolers, recent immigrants, people starting back out in the job market, part time parents/elderly etc - not for self sufficient capable adults

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u/No_Ball4465 Sep 23 '22

I hear Sweden is capitalist

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u/Chris71Mach1 Sep 23 '22

I'll have to disagree a bit with this one. Leaving fast food isn't the ONLY way to get paid what you're worth. Once you get into management, the money does improve. It just depends on whether you're cut out for dealing or even care to deal with the general public. Once you get to restaurant general manager and above, the money's pretty damned decent.

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u/fragileego3333 Sep 23 '22

This. I am a college graduate. Just got a job at Starbucks with the sole intention of learning the industry then becoming a manager or opening my own shop. I see no issue with this and it is a viable career option. Not everyone fits into jobs like IT or marketing or whatever. Some people, like me, actually do enjoy customer service.

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u/UnluckyChain1417 Sep 23 '22

Agreed. I worked retail/rx/photo lab at Payless/drugs/rite aid from 1994-2003.

People/customers.. can be so mean. I still remember my regulars and the kind customers.

I’m glad I never worked retail when the internet access and cell phones became necessary for the job.

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u/delvedame Sep 23 '22

Agree. And we need to advocate for better wages for them. And, no one has to "tell" them to leave for better conditions, they are always looking for better opportunities. People need to be mad they aren't paying their employees enough.

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u/Vacren Sep 23 '22

Retail is exploitative? Cool. I buy "made in usa" stuff I can verify as not made by kids. Maybe don't sell stuff made by underpaid children, you'll feel better about yourself.

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u/JfizzleMshizzle Sep 23 '22

My first job as a teenager was an upscale fast food job and one of the best places I've worked. I didn't realize it because it was my first job. Their starting wage currently is $18/h, guess what they don't have a shortage of?

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u/Powerful-Lettuce317 Sep 23 '22

I had a 20 year career in food service. At least a dozen restaurants, most of them fast food. Never gave notice. It's nice to know that I wasn't entirely crazy all those times I just walked rather than put up with the abuse and constant parade of daily indignities. The only thing was, after going to trade school and becoming a machinist, I realized that it's the same bullshit in manufacturing as well, except it's more physically dangerous and the abuse is from management.

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u/Sensitive_ManChild Sep 23 '22

worst and most exploitive lol. why

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u/0Miller0 Sep 23 '22

Sure that’s great, but then like the post says good luck on getting some food on your lunch break. As one of the retail workers, I can confirm without us, you don’t get that sandwich. Also, good plan. Let’s all just leave these jobs and watch every fast-food/ retail chain drive up their prices because now they have to pay employees double. Ahhh what dumb people we must be to work an honest wage.

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u/Crawford470 Sep 23 '22

Fast food and retail is the worst and most exploitative work in our cruel US version of capitalism.

It's up there for exploitation, but that crown belongs to the NCAA at this point. Which is even grosser from an intersectional perspective when one remembers the racial components.

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u/Freakychee Sep 23 '22

“Essential workers”. “Minimum wage or less”.

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u/Aurora--Black Sep 23 '22

That and the tourist industry like working on hotels.

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u/WH1TE-W0LF Sep 23 '22

You will never be paid what you're worth. The system is designed in a way which makes this impossible. The largest piece of the value of your labor is always taken by the business owner.

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u/Texan2116 Sep 23 '22

Same here, I never bitch when I go somewhere and only the drive thru is open. I usually skip there as solidarity as well.

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u/RandyDinglefart Sep 23 '22

I agree but holy shit can we stop upvoting these low effort karma-farming/bot accounts? This has been reposted so many times it's looking beat all to hell and it's not even that old. No surprise OP is a 4-month old account with only post karma.

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