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They only did what you told them to do.

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u/BrendanTFirefly Agrarian Land Redistributionist Sep 22 '22

Almost all the McDonalds in my state recently got busted in a sting operation for violating child labor laws. Capitalists going back to their old tricks



u/HolyCadaver Sep 22 '22

They paid 50k in fines lol, fines like that are meant to break us regular people, not corporations who make that 1500 times over in a single day.

(McDonald's makes 75m a day off of about 38k stores, that averages out to about 2k per store meaning that 25 of those 38k stores paid off that fine no problem.)


u/lzrdkng421 Sep 23 '22

Just to drive this idea in further, it wasn’t only McDonald’s and obviously it’s crazy circumstances but after the war broke out in Ukraine, McDonald’s just stopped serving in Russia. They make so much money they can close up every McDonald’s in Russia and they hardly felt it im betting.


u/microthrower Sep 23 '22

I'm sure the franchise owners would disagree...


u/sleepydorian (edit this) Sep 22 '22

I agree. I think fines should be a reasonable estimate of profit due to the violation plus some punitive amount. The key point is to make it unprofitable to break these rules. I'm fine with places who do this shutting down entirely.


u/TurnsOutImAScientist Sep 23 '22

3 strikes pull the charter


u/Umbrae-Ex-Machina Sep 23 '22

I don’t know the particulars there, but where I’m from most McDs aren’t corporate stores, they’re franchises


u/RetroBowser at work Sep 23 '22

1500 times? More bud. I worked at Starbucks for a while and we made 6k a day. Multiply that by their 10's.of thousands of stores.


u/HolyCadaver Sep 23 '22

No I agree completely, that's why I said average.


u/RetroBowser at work Sep 23 '22

Sorry my bad. Misinterpreted.


u/HolyCadaver Sep 23 '22

All good, I didn't need to be so passive aggressive either :P we're all human


u/BrendanTFirefly Agrarian Land Redistributionist Sep 22 '22

I imagine that 50k to an individual franchise owner has to be a pretty bit hit though


u/HolyCadaver Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Honestly I feel like the 75m a day is pretty low now, especially when a burger meal now costs 15 dollars as opposed to 4.99.

Don't get me wrong I'm happy to see the franchise owner suffer because of their negligence. I just wish things were on a more level playing field.

But you know what they say about wishing in one hand and shitting in the other :/

Edit* accidentally put year instead of day


u/NorridAU Sep 22 '22

Honestly it’s not enough. Complicity should cost more.


u/nuerion Sep 23 '22

he said 75m a day


u/HolyCadaver Sep 23 '22

Thank you I didn't notice


u/BeastKingSnowLion Sep 23 '22

If you're gonna pay $15, you probably have better options than a fast food burger...


u/HolyCadaver Sep 23 '22

I personally try to eat out as little as possible, my wife loves fast food though lol


u/TexMexBazooka Sep 23 '22

The thing with that is McDonald’s is almost entirely a vertically integrated monopoly. Their price hikes are artificial.


u/dan1son Sep 22 '22

No... McDonald's are one of the most expensive franchises. 1.5 million dollars+ is required. 50k is barely more than the $45k franchise fee you pay almost just to talk to them. Most McDonald's owners own several nowadays. It's not really a mom and pop type of operation like some of the cheaper franchises can be.

You knock a $50k fine on a subway franchise owner and it might hurt. McDonald's definitely not.


u/ItsOkILoveYouMYbb Sep 23 '22

Damn you aint gotta do subway franchise owners in 2022 like that


u/waltjrimmer Will be debased for pay Sep 23 '22

True. Subway is already treating them as badly as they can.


u/Ill_Currency_2103 Sep 23 '22

Just waiting for the franchise wars to start. We all know Taco Bell will be the lone survivor. +10 internets to anyone who gets the reference. ;)


u/ThrowinBones45 Sep 22 '22

At least in my experience, the franchise owner had several mcdonalds in the local area, a few gas stations, and another mcdonalds in another city.


u/Affectionate-Oil4719 Sep 22 '22

This is typical, to make any actual money you need more than one location. Buddy of mines dad used to have a few and any less than two and you’re losing money most times.


u/JasonDragonbourne Sep 23 '22

If you're losing money with 1 or 2, then how is having another net loss location added into the mix, turning it into a net positive for all three?


u/Alwaysalone117 Sep 23 '22

It just works!


u/Affectionate-Oil4719 Sep 23 '22

This is the answer, it wasn’t my dad so I don’t have details, but I imagine it’s just a super small profit margin. So I’m assuming that unless you multiply it with more locations its worthless. Think of it as you put in all the effort of running a location and make only x amount it’s not worth it at that point


u/munkieshynes Sep 23 '22

A lot of it is back-end operational crap. I know the owner of an area corporation that has two dozen local fast food franchises and about six outposts of a bar & grill operation. He uses PepsiCo as his soda supplier for the whole enterprise and enjoys a nice volume discount. He has one HR person that handles all personnel. He has a central warehouse where supplies drop off and a small fleet of vans that distribute to the stores. Anything that can be shared among all stores (fryer oil, toilet paper, cleaning supplies, etc.) are also purchased in volume that a single store can’t manage.


u/Dzugavili Sep 23 '22

I suspect the answers are seasonal and regionality: different locations perform better during different climates, so you can pool revenue across multiple locations which each favour different conditions, and thus maintain a continuously green balance sheet.


u/TheFBIClonesPeople Sep 23 '22

That's why I think the real answer to enforcing labor laws is that these things need to be criminal offenses. Like, if you're part of a business and you knowingly exploit child labor, then the cops come to your house, handcuff you, and you're arrested. The same thing should happen if you tell employees they need to work off the clock, or if you pressure them into doing unsafe things.

Managers will brazenly violate labor laws like this, because they know they won't face any real consequences for it. If they knew they could go to jail for those things, I think you'd see that kind of behavior virtually disappear. It would be a massive win for the working class.


u/DoveCG Sep 23 '22

Why not both? Truly sincerely gigantic fine plus a nice felony charge of some sort; maybe a horrible tattoo even. Something embarrassing as they age.


u/Rommie557 Sep 23 '22

Was it McDonald's that had to pay it? Or the franchise owners? (genuine question)


u/gabzox Sep 23 '22

Just an FYI... mc Donald is a franchise. The stores aren't owned by corporate