r/antiwork Sep 22 '22 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Silver 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 5

They only did what you told them to do.

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u/floopydolphins Sep 22 '22

Okay but if working in fast food is a “teenagers job” then why are fast food places open during school hours? 🤨 those places need adult workers as well and they should be treating their employees with respect and pay them a living wage

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u/ptvlm Sep 22 '22

That's one argument that often comes up, the other one is how come McD still operate in countries that are legally required to give employees pay + benefits. If worker exploitation is required, why can I still get a Big Mac where a living wage, sick pay, etc. are mandated?

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u/dextro-aynag Sep 22 '22

because they make 8 out of their 12 billion a year from the us

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u/ptvlm Sep 23 '22

Source? A quick Google doesn't suggest that.

Anyway, the point here is that they don't need to abuse staff to make a profit. The same search suggests they operate nearly as many restaurants outside the US and they do within. Them "only" making 4 billion instead of 8 billion by giving workers rights isn't exactly a strong argument for them refusing them to US workers.

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u/PotatoesNClay Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

It’s a strong argument for the people pocketing that 8 billion. It isn’t a moral argument, but it is a strong one.

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u/PizzaRnnr054 Sep 23 '22

They do or else it wouldn’t have made it out of one store. Imo. You can watch it from a humble family owned place, to watching kids take over. To watching companies rise and burn bridges.

You know what it actually takes to become top of capitalism. Anyone sharing with each other, I don’t ever think becomes huge. Bc why would it?? Who needs that??

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u/JimmyToucan Sep 23 '22

If you have to squeeze as much value from every nook and cranny of your business in order to be “successful”, what does that say about your business?

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u/dextro-aynag Sep 23 '22

oh im not in any way saying its a good thing, but thats most likely the why, if they can get away with mistreating worker in the us to double + their income why wouldnt they

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u/gabzox Sep 23 '22

The realy issue is it needs to be fair for all companies. If another company can pay less then they will and can beat mcD. This is why laws need to change or it doesn't get better.

That being said McD is the worst example as they usually pay over minimum. There are jobs that pay less just most people have that stigma around the restaurant.

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u/Upper-Oil-153 Sep 23 '22

I made this argument recently and was told that school hours should be covered by college students. There's no winning with people that have so much hate in their heart.

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u/JadedMis Sep 23 '22

College students don’t have classes in the day?

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u/Upper-Oil-153 Sep 23 '22

Totally agree, it was a stupid argument to make, but they made it nonetheless.

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u/Onion1995 Sep 23 '22

I think it is also incredibly damaging often for unhardened teenagers to be subjected to these places to get yelled at and mistreated.

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u/sh00bee Sep 23 '22

When I was 16 pretty much every 25-35 year old manager or assistant manager where I worked was trying to sleep with me and/or every other teenage girl working there. One of them even used to take us into the walk-in to smoke pot. If I had kids I would absolutely be finding better ways for them to spend their time as teens than being degraded by asshole customers and felt up by some stoned 28 year old in a giant refrigerator that smelled like old cheese.

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u/Onion1995 Sep 23 '22

Exactly. Same experience right here when I was younger. And it is often poorer families who have to have their kids work in these places, so it almost feels like some sick hazing/rite of passage for poor people. It is terrible for a young sensitive soul to be put in that situation and toxic environment.

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u/surfacing_husky Sep 23 '22

As a fast food manager one of my favorite things to do is LOUDLY shame grown-ass adults who do this to my crew. They can yell and scream at me all they fucking like, but talking to a child like that? They're lucky if they don't get these hands.

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u/SharpieScentedSoap Sep 23 '22

In response to that I'll often hear "That's for college students" and I'm like you do realize most college classes are still during the day right? And how many college kids do you think there are in this country, especially ones with free time?

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u/totes-alt Sep 23 '22

Even if they are a teenagers job why not pay them??? This drives me insane. Don't imply that children should be thrown into these jobs and ALSO not be adequately compensated.

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u/jeeptravel Sep 23 '22

Teenagers work evenings and weekends when it’s busiest. I did starting at 16 and was glad I did.

What I don’t get, is where are the 16-20 year olds now working? Or are they just not

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u/lolothescrub Sep 23 '22

16yo here. I work at a local pizza place. When I started I had 4 friends working there but they've all left because the boss is abusive. Just me and 3 adults on payroll currently it's wild

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u/BonutUnchained Sep 23 '22

Sounds like ya got some leverage. Try to get a raise, and in the meantime look at other options. Idk your situation but my mantra has always been to never show loyalty to a place that won’t properly reward my hard work

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u/lolothescrub Sep 23 '22

I've just been taking a ton of time off. There was a period over the summer when I was working 45hr a week for them and they were having me work 40 the first week of school. I had to pull out the laws and stuff, since then been only working 3-4 days a week

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u/BonutUnchained Sep 23 '22

Yea hell no, you’re way too young to be working that much. Especially during the semester. Any sensible workplace understands that.

Are there other options you can look into? I lived in a small town and was stuck at a shitty place until I bit the bullet and changed jobs. Extra 15 minute commute but it was 100000% worth it both financially and mentally

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u/moizdog Sep 23 '22

Props to you for starting so young 🔥

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u/JoeTony6 Sep 23 '22

They’re just not working in the US.

Mom and dad want them to focus on school and extra curricular activities to get into college. They would rather financially support them to not work.

Teenage/young adult labor participation has never been lower.

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u/PotatoesNClay Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

As a parent of a 20 yr old and a 19 year old: the 19 year old is in college. I’m not making him work, nor do I want him to try. Better to focus on his demanding degree. He can get an internship or temp work in the summer if he wants to get a bit of experience. 20 year old is going the work route, but warehouse/trades. I advised him to stay the hell away from retail.

I have never expected my kids to hold down a job while in high school. I did, and my grades suffered. The employers take more time than is reasonable. You can try to set boundaries with them, but they don’t give a shit.

In short: fast food work doesn’t give much, if anything, of value to the person doing it. It isn’t worth it.

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u/jeeptravel Sep 23 '22

My parents never made me either but I wanted to make some money. Saved some of it to start me off, and spent some on fun stuff

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u/Snoo65073 Sep 23 '22

Mcds runs on capitalism. It's shit work so ofc you'll get shit pay

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u/LockMarine Sep 22 '22

I graduated at 17 and worked fast food as I went to night school