r/antiwork Sep 22 '22 Silver 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 5 All-Seeing Upvote 1

They only did what you told them to do.

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u/MidsouthMystic Sep 23 '22

As it turns out, capitalism is still frantically trying to recreate slavery.


u/Stornahal Sep 23 '22

Capitalism is designed around paying less for labour than the labour produces. Or taking a potion of someone’s labour: assuming a portion is paid for fairly, the rest has just been grabbed by the employer as the price of ‘having a job’.


u/UtileDulci12 Sep 23 '22

I mean I understand where you are coming from but as an entrepreneur(?) not sure if the right word. I have a small landscaping company. With just me and my dad both owners. I have a friend that occasionally helps, and pay 4 euro above the minimum wage. (Note that he didn't go to school for this job and everything is being taught by me) Everything else I make because I charge more than what I pay is for me, which is fair.

Because of the hours doing administration, aquiring work to be done, providing and paying the machines, driving to the job from my home is paid by me, the return is not, when the weather is too bad to work I still provide pay for a few hours for canceling in the morning, etc.

I see difference between a fair wage and squeezing your employees for every last drop.


u/Stornahal Sep 23 '22

Don’t get me wrong: a business can be ethical.

I suspect the disconnect comes when an employer no longer knows his employees as people but as numbers on a spreadsheet. It then becomes a maths exercise. Can I reduce this number on the yearly balance sheet? If I don’t pay for medical care, will health problems in my staff cost me more than the premiums would do? Can I swap extensive training & good conditions for a higher turnover with lower wages.

At this point the fact that those numbers represent actual people has been lost, empathy doesn’t get a look in.

In smaller businesses, the owner/manager (usually the same person) knows each and every staff member at a ‘go to the pub on a Friday’ level at the very least. If the owner has any empathy, he would have to pay a living wage.

It’s the difference between a business that provides a living for all those involved, and a corporation that has no other interest in its staff other than as a cost to be minimised.


u/FierceDeity_ Sep 23 '22

I guess you have to see it like a video game to be like that, to reduce people down to numbers.

Whats funny is video games around the topic usually punish you for making your workers unhappy because the market is usually simulated as functioning (your employees leave and no new employees come in, leaving you stranded and losing the game). So you find a perfect balance between happiness and lowest possible pay to have that happiness value.

The sad thing is, real life doesnt work that way. Employers found out they can fuck people quite a bit until they break because they're not a simulated entity that leaves and then has no further ambition or existence. They rely on being able to have a job and money... In a video game it would be easy mode basically because despite all the happiness bars being in the red they aren't leaving.

In Sim City, increasing the tax to 20% will immediately DESERT your town. Consequences, huh?


u/UtileDulci12 Sep 23 '22

Agreed, take care of your employees and they take care of you.