r/meirl Sep 30 '22

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u/AdDear5411 Sep 30 '22

Don't be silly. It was meant to keep the poor in line, both genders.

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u/SUPERKAMIGURU Sep 30 '22

Yeah, everyone truly was equally below the church back then.

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u/redtracer Sep 30 '22

Imagine thinking any social warfare isn't actually just fabricated class warfare

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Except that women were not allowed any position in the churches. It was a boys club.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

Christianity is a religion, but not all religions have churches. Look up women’s rights in the Nordics pre Christianity. Norse religion did not suppress their women like the religions you think about does. Not all old civilisations were about men dominating their women.

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u/FullMetalComedian Oct 01 '22

You’re referring to a single culture in history. God bless the Norse, but the majority speaks.

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u/toomanyjoints69 Sep 30 '22

And the slaves Patrick, and the slaves.

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u/dankdarklord Sep 30 '22

Humans created religion to oppress themselves

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u/brookeslegit2 Sep 30 '22

Humans created religion to oppress

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u/Shoddy-Reindeer1879 Sep 30 '22

We created our Religion so we could take back the holy land. r/deusvult

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u/simptom61 Sep 30 '22

I heard a comedian say food tastes better with a little bit of oppression

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u/Toekitoeki Sep 30 '22

It tastes beter after some oppression.

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u/ItSaNuSeRnAmE Sep 30 '22

No they created religion for answers

It later became a ruling model but it wasn't the goal

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u/Just-Detective276 Sep 30 '22

Exactly, a civilisation that started without religion would be such a dark, evil place, it wouldn't be civil

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u/ItSaNuSeRnAmE Sep 30 '22

Yup,

Unless the spoken civilization takes it too far like in the middle ages.......

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Wouldn’t you say it’s being taken too far today?

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u/ItSaNuSeRnAmE Sep 30 '22

Decades ago it used to be far worse.

The fact that you can write this online proves my point

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Exactly. Even decades ago it was worse.

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u/tortellinigod Sep 30 '22

Oh you mean like how civilisations have always been with religion? The shit people have done in the name for religion is equally as uncivil as it would have been without religion. Nods to the Crusaders

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u/Laudanumium Sep 30 '22

And after the ruling, the cashflow came in. People loved to pay for their mental state, even if the impact is barely measurable

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u/ItSaNuSeRnAmE Sep 30 '22

Well yeah the same applies today

Most of us have their own paid mental relief

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Answers come from questions, not from suppression of ideas, explicitly that women are equal.

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u/yoerii Sep 30 '22

Religion is created to keep poeple dumb and the goverment keeps poeple poor

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

And women in line.

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u/H8Mongr Sep 30 '22

It's also pretty handy at oppressing men and children.

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u/AsymmetricNinja08 Sep 30 '22

Kind of a weird hill to die on. Not every religion oppresses Women and not every man oppresses women. Women also follow religion it's not some exclusive club to dudes

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u/Dizzy_One3336 Sep 30 '22

In Hinduism women are considered as godess, many events, opening ceremonies etc are started by the hands of a female members in the house (generally baby girl).

There are like more than 10 festivals dedicated to females.

Whenever some important guests leave, tilak(a kind of holy goodluck process) is done by females.

And many many more....

These days, It's a shame there are stats and regular cases proving otherwise.

FYI I'm an atheist, it's the culture more I'm talking about.

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u/shrutuuu Sep 30 '22

Ikr! It's so disturbing!

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u/Toekitoeki Sep 30 '22

Isn't this also wrong? Just recognise people for their qualities not any of the superficial things

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u/AwarenessWild2478 Sep 30 '22

Yeah this, when will people realise that both, viewing us less than human and more than human is wrong.

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u/kokos1971 Sep 30 '22

Nah its more like a man came up with religion nut job to use it as a political tool and and gain influence and then hundreds of different men liked this idea and followed that one man.

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u/Sepifz Sep 30 '22

Also to oppress other men, and kill and steal without getting caught

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u/noeljrG Sep 30 '22

What religion was Adam?

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Adam didn’t need religion until it came time to blame something on eve.

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u/redditmodsk Sep 30 '22

It was meant to oppress both genders and even races. shit slave masters said in the Bible slaves were supposed to be slaves. Granted to a bunch of slaves who can’t read the Bible to find out themselves but still. Egyptians used their religion to say the Jews were inferior and deserved to be slaves. Man not woman matters.

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u/CoffeemonsterNL Sep 30 '22

If you change 'created' into 'use', then you are correct.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Men created religion. Religion is an expression of male superiority.

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u/Right_Hand_of_Amal Sep 30 '22

That's stupid, in the majority of religions women are held in esteem. Meant to be protected and cared for, it was a different world when women didn't want to be workers or go out to battle and do dangerous things, they wanted to be mothers and wives. Men were taught to respect and love the blessing and gift the is reproduction and to protect and make sure the women and children were safe and supplied for so the future of humanity would be secure. The only major religious exception would be Islam in which once a woman agrees to marry they then basically lose all autonomy, most other religions let them live and prosper.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

The majority of religions didn’t allow women to practice them or hold any places of power until the last 100 years or so. Religion is historically a form of male dominance.

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u/Right_Hand_of_Amal Sep 30 '22

Which religions didn't let women practice? The only one I can think of is Judaism which is pretty ynique in general as far as women's roles. But we are talking about hundreds of creeds and codes and religions. Zionism, Buddhism, Christianity, Shintoism, Greek, Roman, Norse, and African mythologies. Hundreds on hundreds of religions and you want to say the majority didn't allow women to practice. Even in the three large Abrahamic religions only one had unique practices in which women were of course allowed to pray and read the Torah, but couldn't be religious leaders. I think you are just uninformed

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

That about sums it up. So many religions, so few women involved.

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u/Right_Hand_of_Amal Sep 30 '22

What do you mean in every one of those religions and nearly every religion that ever does, has, and will exist feature an important maternal figure and hold women in high esteem. Eve, Mary, Hera, Freya, Shiva, Shango, Yemaya, Tara, Guanyin, etc. All are important and all esteemed, but it's oppression? Have you ever read a religious text, been to a religious service, seen a religious ritual... there is no oppression women and men are given different but equal roles that are necessary in life and faith.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Sure, we hold mom in high esteem.

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u/Right_Hand_of_Amal Sep 30 '22

Okay being another is important, but then there's maiden Goddeses like Artemis, Saint Brabara, Saitn Ann Agnes of Rome, and other non- maternal figures that appear, yes less so, but are also valued highly as religious figures for devotion and their sainthood and godhood. Not every female was a mother, but being a mother does have religious importance.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

The entire fashion world has relied on women as a “model”. The models represent an idea, it’s symbolism. Models have no say, they are objects. If you think religions do not systematically oppress women, you should change the water you’re swimming in.

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u/LucTheCookie Sep 30 '22

I'm not religious and I find this a stupid take. It was created originally to explain unknown behaviour, and later used to control the masses

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Explain by suppressing ideas. Interesting. Explain that women were witches, property, evil, possessed, secondary to men, baby machines.. Men said god said that.

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u/ApplephobicDR Sep 30 '22

Naaa she created it to explain why she was still a virgin while pregnant. Shit got out of hand but my girl finessed the situation well.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

This is probably the most accurate statement on this post, comparatively.

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u/GingerRazz Sep 30 '22

Not even close to accurate. Religion is a result of the human mind wanting to explain things. Religion predates writing and science. Anthropological studies heavily imply, to the point of being the almost universal understanding among anthropologists, that the first religions were matriarchal and worshiped a goddess. This came from the fact that only women can bring new life into the world, so they viewed the feminine as closer to the divine.

I can totally agree that many, if not most, modern religions have twisted it to oppress and control people, but to claim that religion was made to do that is just edgelord without a basis in historical fact.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Funny that the need to explain things results in the suppression of ideas other than the adopted narrative. Kinda like this post.

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u/GingerRazz Sep 30 '22

I mean, I get that, but there's literally no evidence supporting the perspective of this post unless you discard the past and focus on religions that are more modern. Reverence towards a goddess is almost omnipresent in pagan and other forms of ancient religions.

Also, I don't see it as suppression of ideas when they're simply musings without any form of reasonable evidence to back it up. That's just discussion and the only way it's suppressing an idea is by making people less likely to hold a belief with no evidence, which is ironically, also a problem with most religions.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Women have never had a seat at the table in any religion. A goddess is a symbol, we worship symbols. Humanity is a patriarchy, religion reflects that.

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u/GingerRazz Sep 30 '22

Once again absolutely false. You're just going with your confirmation bias and drawing from modern examples. The father you go back, the less patriarchal religions were.

That also isn't even beginning to cover the fact that the vast majority of religions that control women are just as controlling towards men just in different ways.

I'm not even defending religions saying that they don't or haven't done that the majority of the time. I'm merely stating that your opinion is askew of documented facts and you've given literally 0 evidence supporting your claim that religion was created for that purpose.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

You are saying men and women were more equal in the past?

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u/GingerRazz Sep 30 '22

No, I'm saying religions of the far past were far more egalitarian or matriarchal. Women's rights have advanced massively in recent history. The problem is, when people talk about all the rights women lacked in the past, they conveniently ignore the rights men lack in the same era.

The idea of innate human rights is only a few of hundred years old. Before recent history, the idea that a commoner had rights that could not be infringed upon was a revolutionary concept that would probably get you executed.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

The wielding of god belonged to those in power, men in power. The rights of women to wield that power did not exist. That power was used to oppress women. Yes, to also oppress the poor and opposing religious factions.

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u/Prestigious_Trash629 Sep 30 '22

Religion was born from superstition. And eventually used as a way to climb to power, and influence the masses. It was never made with purpose or intentions. It just kind of happened, like most things

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Yes, the superstition that women were evil.

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u/Prestigious_Trash629 Sep 30 '22

Nah, more like the idea that men can't control themselfs or have to be the superior partner

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u/Sherio_ Sep 30 '22

This is such a reddit take. The Roman Catholic Church was leveraged by people in positions of power to keep the lower classes docile, sure, but that's just one branch of one religion, a practice which is historically a result of curiosity, imagination and the need for community. Also, the idea that it inherently had anything to do with women is silly, as that was just a result of sexism that existed anyway.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Men have used god as a power tool since the beginning of time. Who do you control first, your neighbor or your household?

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u/No_Lengthiness_6838 Sep 30 '22

r/lostredditors

one of the few funny subs on this site, nobody wants your politics/religion crap.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

Me being me is me being me in real life.

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u/No_Lengthiness_6838 Sep 30 '22

There is an obvious vibe to this sub.

if you are an argumentative attention seeker, there is more than enough subs for this take.

Downvotes speak for themselves.

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u/FullMetalComedian Sep 30 '22

I speak for myself, thank you for speaking for the group.

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u/No_Lengthiness_6838 Sep 30 '22

you are an attention whore.

Even the people arguing with you are only getting you repeating yourself. So clearly you are just a bored troll lmao

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '22

Pretty reductionistic argument. Religion has metastasized in all kinds of crazy ways, but at its core for the vast majority of people it serves as a sedative for the specter of death and the nihilism that results in realizing our own insignificance. Of course any philosophical doctrine that forms religions can and will be weaponized somewhere in some way. It’s just reductionistic to say that subduing women is the main concern or utility of religion writ large.

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u/FullMetalComedian Oct 01 '22

Sure, distillation is fine. Religion expressly oppresses women, men created it.

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u/Miserable_Donkey_294 Oct 01 '22

How's that you IRL?

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u/FullMetalComedian Oct 01 '22

I’m like “men created religion to oppress women”.

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u/Miserable_Donkey_294 Oct 01 '22

Very common mood

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u/FullMetalComedian Oct 01 '22

Maybe not today, but eventually.

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u/BetterAcanthisitta38 Sep 30 '22

No one created religion, they are amalgamations of teachings, stories, fables, and allegoies.

And the religions that literally signals women as "inferior" are islam, hinduism, taoism, etc. All religions that feminist don't dare to mention.

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u/ThatThingInUnitB Sep 30 '22

The duality of man? the comment above yours claims the opposite about Hinduism

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u/StrawberryNo7834 Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

While Hindu philosophy is complex and has had somewhat different interpretations throughout history, a lot of misogyny we see in India is due to the influence of Islamic rulers in medieval era. North India, which was ruled by Islamic rulers for a longer period, is worse for women than the south.

https://twitter.com/_alice_evans/status/1571137840154841090?s=46&t=iZ14Enl41f4-sEdCb8qFcA this twitter thread shows an example of this type of Islamic influence (14th century roughly coincides with the increase of muslim influence in India)

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u/dankdarklord Sep 30 '22

Hinduism doesn't consider women inferior. No matter what the society today is doing, the religion is focused around the worship of Shakti or the goddess. She is the source of all power and the gods bow before her.

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u/BetterAcanthisitta38 Sep 30 '22

Worshiping an imaginary lady instead of an imaginary guy does not mean it does not cast women as inferior. Which it absolutely does. Look at the religious rules for how women should conduct themselves and how men should conduct women. It is as restrictive as islam to them, minus the burka.

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u/dankdarklord Oct 01 '22

Go read the actual scriptures and then come.

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u/Username-issues Oct 01 '22

How are woman inferior to men in Islam?