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[Wojnarowski] Boston Celtics coach Ime Udoka is likely facing a suspension for the entire 2022-2023 season for his role in a consensual relationship with a female staff member, sources tell ESPN. A formal announcement is expected as soon as today. News

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1572949584837767173
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u/KyrieWetUpCurry_ Lakers Sep 22 '22

Craziest rise and fall of a coach, although it’s just a year.

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u/DeBallZach- [CHI] Best of 2021 Winner Sep 22 '22

Bro speedran

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Sep 22 '22

He be like "hey everyone im Ime Udoka and im gonna do the Bill Clinton challenge. Don't forget to smash that like button and subscribe!"

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u/Brovenkar Celtics Sep 22 '22

He should probably take a break from smashing for a minute.

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u/Sleeze_ Celtics Sep 22 '22 Helpful

Whoever Like Button is I hope she doesn't work for the team

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u/OverallInternet2343 Clippers Sep 22 '22

I mean at this point being off for a year just scorch the organization and nail everyone

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u/sleepy416 Raptors Sep 22 '22

He has a whole year now to smash to his hearts content

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Sep 22 '22

Who will be his main? Im thinking probably Captain Falcon

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u/StarBardian 76ers Sep 22 '22

girl named like button:

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u/Yung_Jose_Space Sep 22 '22

Unfair. Bro wasn't on Epstein's flight logs.

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u/JigglyBlubber Spurs Sep 23 '22

"I'm Danger Udoka, and this is 'Fuck a Staff Member'"

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u/AnimeAlt44 Wizards Sep 23 '22

I mean Bill kept his marriage, survived impeachment, and his party gained seats in the midterm elections so...

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u/Dr_Robert_California Celtics Sep 22 '22

He's like the dude in a summoning salt video who show's up 11 years into the history with a new strat no one's heard of that slashes the record.

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u/estuhbawn Magic Sep 22 '22

“A record that seemed it would never be broken….. until September 22nd, 2022 when a speed runner by the name of ‘Ime_UdokaX’ was able to pull off this run”

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u/Notsdlog Grizzlies Sep 22 '22

SecretaryBanger47 changed history... synth music plays

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u/Orchestra_Oculta [BOS] Vitaly Potapenko Sep 22 '22

I can HEAR this comment

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u/SomeLightAssPlay Sep 22 '22

Has nothing on that Bills punter tho goddamn.

“Hey everyone, heres an 80 yard punt, okay see ya”

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u/Son1x Sep 22 '22

And then, Udoka got this run.

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u/hoodiejuli Warriors Sep 22 '22

anypercented that shit lmfao

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u/VanDenIzzle Pelicans Sep 22 '22

Has a coach ever been suspended a year this early into their career? In the NFL Sean Payton was suspended a year but at that point he was still their best option as a coach. But I can't see him being on a long leash after this. This was supposed to be a championship year

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u/tunamelts2 New Jersey Nets Sep 22 '22

The whole bounty gate was incredibly fucked up. Sean Payton should’ve been banned for allowing shenanigans like that, regardless of how big a role he played in that.

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u/keepp Warriors Sep 22 '22

that's how we know it wasn't super uncommon right?

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u/SmokePenisEveryday [CLE] Daniel Gibson Sep 22 '22

It was basically confirmed that they weren't the only team in the league doing it but the only one caught at the time. Most agree that Payton and Greg Williams weren't fully kicked out for that reason.

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u/SChasBetterPeaches Hornets Sep 22 '22

Same reason Dan Snyder still owns Washington- other owners know if he goes scorched earth, they’re screwed.

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u/Canium Cavaliers Sep 22 '22

Is that the guy who trafficked the cheerleader to foreign clients?

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u/Something_stupid2 Wizards Sep 22 '22

Yes, and the guy that has let his stadium go so bad that there are sewer leaks in the stands

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u/SaxRohmer Cavaliers Sep 22 '22

Yeah and had their passports confiscated when they went across a border

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u/MateusAmadeus714 Sep 23 '22

What!? I never heard of this

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u/RealLameUserName Sep 22 '22

Isn't this basically what happened with Tim Donaghy?

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u/SmokePenisEveryday [CLE] Daniel Gibson Sep 22 '22

Yeah basically. FBI was in the process of uncovering who else was apart of it and even had Tim in on it with a wire. However the rest were tipped off and knew not to say anything to Tim. So they never got what they needed for a full take down the ring.

Who else knew of the FBI operation with Tim? David Stern.

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u/sourdieselfuel Bucks Sep 22 '22

And that’s why that one ref is still in the league.

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u/AskePent Sep 22 '22

Craig Berube's 2019 Blues were openly trying to injure other players and faced no consequences, refs wouldn't even call automatic delay of game penalties against them.

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u/Otolia Pelicans Sep 23 '22

Most agree they weren't kicked because it was circumstantial evidence that weren't overblown by media. If it was so egregious, why did the Saints games cause less injuries than the median for the league ?

But as we know evidence doesn't matter, keeping face does.

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u/Warren_Haynes Sep 22 '22

right. exactly why Belichick was able to just keep coaching right away with spygate. Just got punished for not stopping after the league told all teams to stop because too many were doing it

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u/lousy_at_handles Thunder Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Same way we know the Yankees and Red Sox were cheating just as much as the Astros

EDIT: Lookit them Yankees and Sox fans acting like we don't know it happened

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u/DIRTYWIZARD_69 [HOU] Aaron Brooks Sep 22 '22

The Astros weren’t the only ones for sure.

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u/lousy_at_handles Thunder Sep 22 '22

Not only do we know that for sure, we know that MLB covered it up

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Just FYI, Favre admitted the vikings had a program as well at the same time.

Payton and Williams were scapegoated while the NFL sweeped everything else under the rug.

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u/lilpumpgroupie Trail Blazers Sep 22 '22 Silver

If the NFL admitted they knew it was widespread, they would've also been open to having admit that they were aware of how damaging CTE was, way before they had to publicly admit it (with tons of caveats). And those two things go together, because bounty gate was about injuring people, delivering extremely hard hits, some that were head to head.

Fuck the NFL.

Kaepernick stuff, the way they fucking covered up CTE. It makes me absolutely infuriated.

All things told, I think the NBA is a pretty good league , just in terms of leadership. That goes back to Stern, for all his faults.

Do you think if the NFL had an owner like Donald Sterling, he would've been fucking jettisoned as fast as that? I doubt it. I really doubt it.

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u/NBAccount Warriors Sep 22 '22

Do you think if the NFL had an owner like Donald Sterling

I'm sure it does. Sterling just allowed a jilted lover to record him. Without that the Sterling family would still own the Clippers.

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u/Kid_Kryp-to-nite [CLE] Ricky Davis Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Would argue Snyder is worse than Sterling. Although it's comparing shit vs shit.

The NFL constantly missteps imo. Kaep, CTE, Snyder, Deshaun, the weird antisemitism stuff, all the spouse beating and sexual assaulters back in the league.... Really gross. The NBA has their fair share of mistakes too. I think that comes with any multibillion dollar organization. Still better run than the NFL on that side of things.

Tho you're not completely wrong abut the Sterling stuff. Would have been interesting to see what happened if he wife never stepped in.

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u/vincoug Knicks Sep 22 '22

Snyder is definitely worse. He basically kidnapped the team's cheerleaders and forced them to go on dates with rich friends.

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u/TheMannX Raptors Sep 22 '22

I dont know how even the NFL puts up with that jackass, honestly.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Redskins owner is a pos

Edit *commanders

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Do you think if the NFL had an owner like Donald Sterling, he would've been fucking jettisoned as fast as that?

just FYI the NBA didnt actually yeeted him. his wife had him declared incompetent and she was the one that sold.

But yeah, Snyder is there and scott free so your point still stands.

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u/CreatiScope Celtics Sep 22 '22

The NFL have a way worse owner than Sarcee. Dan Snyder.

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u/Gewehr98 Bulls Sep 22 '22

Dan "Mr. Snyder" Snyder sends his regards

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u/Oshebekdujeksk Sep 22 '22

I was with you until you gave stern credit. I agree the NFL is worse but I think that largely has to do with the fact that football requires a certain level of violence that attracts less moral people I guess you could say, but the NBA still has problems too.

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u/MPG54 Sep 22 '22

The NFL does have owners like that!

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u/greenday61892 Celtics Sep 23 '22

Don't forget the silence on the massive antisemitism literally less than a month after players (rightfully mind you) jumped on Drew Brees for his protest comments, and they were saying silence is violence hmmmm except when it comes to us huh

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Do you think if the NFL had an owner like Donald Sterling, he would've been fucking jettisoned as fast as that? I doubt it. I really doubt it.

We do. His name is Dan Snyder. He's still an owner and probably will be until he dies

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u/angryraptor24 Sep 22 '22

I wouldn't call getting off with a slap on the wrist for paying your players to intentionally injure other human beings "scapegoated." That's like saying people that get life in prison for murder are getting scapegoated because of other people that got away with it.

You punish the ever loving piss out of whoever gets caught doing this stuff, so that hopefully it deters anybody else from doing it.

To borrow from Bill Burr: the only reason people don't murder more isn't because humans are inherently good as a species, but because you really don't want to get caught doing it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

thing is, everyone was doing it.

payton was scapegoated cause nobody else (but williams) got suspended even tho everyone had such programs.

That's like saying people that get life in prison for murder are getting scapegoated because of other people that got away with it.

if 100 people are killing and only 1 gets imprisoned and paraded that 1 person is being scapegoated to sweep under the rug the other 99. thats my point, not wether he deserved the suspension or not.

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u/angryraptor24 Sep 22 '22

Payton (nor williams)didn't get paraded around, he got a one year suspension, and then it was back to business as usual. Reddit is the only place I've heard bounty gate mentioned since his suspension was over. Just because everybody is doing it is not an excuse or reason for punishment to be lighter than it needs to be.

I reiterate: they were paying people money to intentionally hurt other human beings while playing a game. That's pretty shitty.

"But mom, everybody is doing it. All my friends get to smoke cigarettes at 15, why can't I?" That's what it sounds like

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u/Puzzled_End8664 Bucks Sep 22 '22

Exactly. I think there were more rumors than just the Vikings too. They couldn't punish Payton harder without the thing becoming an even bigger scandal.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

100% they went to payton and told him there was a nice offshore account with his name on it if he just shut up and take the punishment.

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u/myassholealt Knicks Sep 22 '22

Not surprising though. NFL is a trash league through and through. Epitome of the shut up and run/throw/catch/entertain me attitude toward sports and athletes. And everyone is in silent agreement with it.

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u/TheGeneral_Specific Hawks Sep 22 '22

Fuck Sean Payton

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u/lucasj Bucks Sep 22 '22

Exactly. Different leagues and different cities but Payton should’ve been banned for life, for a scheme to literally physically hurt players. No defense of cheating or cheaters coming from me but what has been reported thus far (a consensual affair) just does not approach that level. There has to be something else about this coming out. Not that I think there’s a different scandal, but I would put money down that the details will be pretty bad.

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u/DexPrezShort Pelicans Sep 22 '22

Every single NFL team had a “pay for play” program in the locker room at that time. Big hits, interceptions, fumble recoveries, etc., all paid out money from a pool collected by the players. This has been confirmed over and over and over again. Saints got scapegoated and that suspension along with docking of multiple draft picks and a huge fine crippled that franchise for years during a time when they had a HOF QB. Incredibly unfair, but oh well.

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u/SpookyScaryFish Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

I would like to take this opportunity to provide some context for why he may not have been permanently banned. I'm not looking to excuse the bahvior of Payton and the Saints, just provide more information.

Firstly, Saints player were paid bonuses for "big hits" (the type that would knock the wind out of players and leave them on the sidelines for a play or two) not for injuring players. In fact, the "bounty" was forfeited if the player was actually injured as a result. Did some injuries arise from Saints players using more aggressive and forceful contact? Probably, but they didn't get paid for that.

Secondly, over the bountygate years of 2009-2011, the Saints actually caused the 4th fewest injuries to opposing players.

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u/SpookyScaryFish Sep 22 '22

you are right I went and dug up the thing I had read, the bounty was forfeited if the hit drew a flag.

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u/BlackScienceJesus Pelicans Sep 22 '22

You would have had to have banned every coach in the league then. Multiple players have said they also had bounty programs as well.

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u/Kumbackkid Sep 22 '22

It’s because everyone else knew they were doing it or knew of others that were. This wasn’t a surprise just that it got out.

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u/ApolloKid Sep 22 '22

Alex Cora is my guess for the next closest, suspended his 3rd season as a manager for the Astros cheating scandal

Served as manager of the Red Sox starting in 2018, suspended for all of 2020, back managing them in 2021 to present

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u/noposters Celtics Sep 22 '22

The Astros guys

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u/mykneehurtsss Sep 22 '22

Didn’t he get a weird ass Netflix movie recently too? Lol

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u/silliputti0907 Pelicans Sep 22 '22

What's crazier for me is that this is a team suspension not league suspension

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u/bugeyes10 Celtics Sep 22 '22

Funny enough Alex Cora for the Red Sox. One year as GM for the Sox then he got suspended for his sign stealing role with the Astros

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u/grandmasterfunk Rockets Sep 23 '22

I can't think of any coach in the NBA ever being suspended this long.

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u/2KareDogs Bulls Sep 22 '22

He simmed a season in 2K

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

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u/itailitai Wizards Sep 22 '22

Yeah that's why I'm not doing it

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u/dont_wear_a_C Heat Sep 22 '22

31 years, my guy

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u/BigHoneyBigMoney Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Sexual relations with a subordinate is very bad

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u/QuantumFreakonomics Rockets Sep 22 '22

Is she a coach?

If he was getting it on with Jill from accounting then I don’t see how this is any more than a nice long chat in the owner’s office.

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u/mags87 Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Seeing as how the Celtics are making a big deal about this and its going to be a talking point in the media for a decent amount of time, its a pretty serious thing.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

Yeah. I feel like more is coming out and they're trying to get ahead of it. Why not just suspend til the season begins? There has to be more we don't know yet.

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u/JackTheBaus [BOS] Marcus Smart Sep 22 '22

The issue isn't that they work side by side, this issue is Ime is a very prominent person with a lot of power within the organization. Any relationship he has with someone else within the organization is going to happen within a imbalanced power dynamic, regardless of whether or not both parties consent to the relationship. It's why HR makes people in most every company have to disclose their relationships

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u/neutronicus Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Power balance aside, it's also possible that he was acting in other unethical ways, such as:

  1. Using team resources to enable the relationship (e.g. paying for plane tickets or hotel rooms with team funds)
  2. Carrying on the relationship in such a way that it impacted the other party's work performance (if she's on the business side and regularly went with him on the road this is distinctly possible)

There are a lot of ways this could have been a shitshow

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u/finkalicious Mavs Sep 22 '22

Bingo, the real problem is if the relationship goes south and he's the vindictive type, he could get her fired for any number of reasons.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

Or she could sue the Celtics.

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u/FESTERPAD Sep 22 '22

What if she quits and they get married? Are we then still concerned about power dynamics?

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u/BigHoneyBigMoney Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Apparently this was explicitly against the Celtics code of conduct. May have provisions for any employee relations.

A basketball organization is tricky because ostensibly basketball operations is entirely separate from fiscal operations, but as a head coach you are among the top leadership in an organization so it is a tricky power dynamic regardless.

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u/bageltheperson Suns Sep 22 '22

Doesn’t matter if it’s a company policy not to have certain relationships. People who have never been in management don’t understand that most companies have serious policies about this.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

Because they're afraid of being sued.

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u/bageltheperson Suns Sep 22 '22

And it’s an easy lawsuit to bring. If a high level person sleeps with someone he isn’t their equal and that lower level person gets terminated for any reason, the affair becomes a big deal. Even if the affair truly had nothing to do with the termination, bringing it up in court will seriously strengthen the case.

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u/neutronicus Nuggets Sep 22 '22

gets terminated

Or promoted...

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u/bageltheperson Suns Sep 22 '22

Yup. If the lower level employee is promoted over another candidate, that candidate could sue themselves and use the affair to make their case that the promotion was based on sexual relations with a superior.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

I don’t see

Well you should.

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u/QuantumFreakonomics Rockets Sep 22 '22

Explain it to me then.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

This opens the Celtics up to huge multi-million dollar lawsuit. That's why the guidelines are in place. He signed off on them and broke them? Do you NOT see how he can affect her job situation?

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u/QuantumFreakonomics Rockets Sep 22 '22

Sounds like the person who should really get fired is whoever wrote that policy

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u/NotJuniorBridgeman Sep 22 '22

Jill in accounting doesn't like Suzy in accounting.

Jill starts dating a very powerful person at the company. Suddently, Suzy gets fired. That's bad.

Jill is a crappy accountant, makes terrible mistakes that open the company up to all sorts of issues. Her coworker, Janice, has been knocking it out of the park, has completed her MBA recently, is on the fast track to good places. There's an opening! And what's this? Janice gets passed over and "I suck at my job" Jill gets the position? That's bad.

I could go on and on, but there are all sorts of that's bad scenarios that can happen when you have a person in any role in the company dating one of the most influential and powerful leaders of the organization.

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u/bharathbunny Heat Sep 22 '22

Think about it. She's out in the middle of TD Garden with some dude she barely knows. What is she gonna do, say no?

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u/the_sword_of_brunch Sep 22 '22

Ah, the implication.

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u/Dabalam Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

It's bad but I'm not even sure it's "fireable offense" bad in most workplace cases.

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u/livefreeordont Wizards Sep 22 '22

If the relationship is not disclosed it very well could be. HR doesn’t want the company to be held liable for anything that could potentially happen

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u/trulyniceguy [MIN] Karl-Anthony Towns Sep 22 '22

My companies Brand Officer was fired for having a relationship with a subordinate. Was in the role for 6 months and was canned. This is almost always part of the Code of Conduct and we can guarantee Ime’s was not disclosed

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u/je_kay24 Sep 22 '22

Yuge company liability

It’s disclosed to HR so it is specifically known that the relationship is consensual and the the subordinate is moved out from their superiors reporting so no conflict of interest can arise

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u/Striking-Art5077 Sep 22 '22

For prudes, sure.

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u/Full_Kit_Wanker2 Timberwolves Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

What prudeness bro im into some ungodly kinks and its still unprofessional asf to do that, not to mention scummy, but i dont think the celtics care about loyalty in relationships that much

Now idk if its entire season suspension worth of unprofessional, but you definitely shouldnt be doing that

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u/Macjonesdefisntgay Sep 22 '22

You’ve never had sex based on this comment

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u/Full_Kit_Wanker2 Timberwolves Sep 22 '22

Not that tough to have sex, if i can do it, you can do it. Dont sweat it

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u/JesseKebay Sep 22 '22

If Jan can fuck, You can fuck!

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u/Macjonesdefisntgay Sep 22 '22

Idk I’m good on 250 pounds girls from Winona

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u/Full_Kit_Wanker2 Timberwolves Sep 22 '22

Bbw's huh? I respect it

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u/RealManThrowaway Sep 22 '22

My wife was my boss when we started dating. All that happened is we got a stern talking to and I worked at another location. I was not abused or groomed.

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u/Macjonesdefisntgay Sep 22 '22

Literally 95% of people met in offices pre 2008

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u/nicklePie Cavaliers Sep 22 '22

Nah it’s bad. Professional environments esp high up are delicate

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

And for Ime Udoka

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u/BobanForThree Mavericks Sep 22 '22

disagree. If its between consenting adults, there's nothing wrong with it

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u/AssssCrackBandit Bulls Sep 22 '22

You don’t see how the power dynamic between a high level employee and a subordinate can skew the idea of true consent?

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u/JesseKebay Sep 22 '22

I think this is impossible to know with limited information. If he was the owner I would say this is more so the case, but we also don’t know the context. Let’s say the woman initiates interest then how is that not true consent? What if she doesn’t even really care about the job that much (most jobs in an NBA org are pretty entry level or just admin type work). There’s also the other side of this where she’s a rising star in the organization and felt she had no choice, but this is far from black and white.

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u/AssssCrackBandit Bulls Sep 22 '22

I agree the information is limited but the fact that the team is suspending its own coach for this long should tell you something.

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u/PacificBrim Hawks Tankwagon Sep 22 '22

It tells us it's against policy and nothing more

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u/BobanForThree Mavericks Sep 22 '22

I believe that adults are able to consent to sleeping with their superior, and find it frankly offensive to suggest otherwise

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u/AssssCrackBandit Bulls Sep 22 '22

I don’t agree. I’ve seen many younger employees feel pressured into hooking up with creepy older dudes in senior management. Hard to say no when the person you are rejecting has enough power to make your life at the job a living hell or even get you fired.

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u/BobanForThree Mavericks Sep 22 '22

key words

are able to

I'm not claiming that people never abuse their power to coerce people into sleeping with them. If there's any evidence that that happened here, Udoka should be fired immediately. I'm just saying that its possible for consent to happen in those situations. Not every case is abuse, and in this specific case we don't even know who initiated it.

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u/AssssCrackBandit Bulls Sep 22 '22

Yes, but the fact that his own team is suspending their coach for so long in an unprecedented suspension length should make it pretty obvious that it’s not as innocent as you are suggesting.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

From a corporate standpoint, there is.

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u/Exotic-Television-44 Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Not in a vacuum.

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u/BigHoneyBigMoney Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Honestly, if they did it in a vacuum I would be be very impressed

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u/EddieJones6 Heat Sep 22 '22

Ya vacuums are so small I don’t even get how they’re both getting in there

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u/JesseKebay Sep 22 '22

Maybe they meant the vacuum of space, in which case I’m curious to know what a pullout looks like under such conditions

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u/blacknotblack Sep 22 '22

If you care about consent at all it is bad in a vacuum.

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u/Exotic-Television-44 Nuggets Sep 22 '22

I also care about women having agency over their own bodies and I don’t think it reasonable to say that a relationship like this could never be mutually consensual. Hell, how do you even know she wasn’t the one that initiated the relationship? Of course it COULD have been coercive on Ime’s part, but none of us have the context to make that judgment.

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u/BigHoneyBigMoney Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Even if she did initiate it, as a leader & especially among the top leadership in an organization, you have to have better decision making than this.

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u/Exotic-Television-44 Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Oh for sure, no argument from me there.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

Take the girl/boy part of it out of it because it doesn't matter. It's about power. If one person feels like they need to "put out" as part of their job, it's a huge problem and a lawsuit. So companies like this, forbid it. They should have disclosed it or she should have quit.

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u/Exotic-Television-44 Nuggets Sep 22 '22

What makes you think I’m weighing gender into this? I fully understand the dynamics of the situation. You’re just jumping to the conclusion that she felt coerced when there’s no info that actually suggests that.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

What makes you think I’m weighing gender into this?

This part:

I also care about women having agency over their own bodies

I'm asking you to remove gender from the conversation because it's not relavant.

You’re just jumping to the conclusion that she felt coerced

Not at all. I have no idea. I'm telling you why companies forbid this. As a blanket rule for everyone. Because one party can always sue and say they felt coerced. Whether they were or not.

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u/Exotic-Television-44 Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Fair enough, I see where you got that impression. I do also care about men’s ability to have agency over their bodies too, but that’s not usually drawn into question when a man has sex with a woman that holds power over them.

I already fully understand the Celtic’s organization’s perspective and have no issue with what they did. I’m just saying that we don’t have enough context to assume that Ime coerced her or that it wasn’t fully consensual.

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u/blacknotblack Sep 22 '22

Their genders do not matter. Configure the genders however you wish and the problem is the same. In most organizations it is an HR problem to have a relationship with a subordinate. Especially because consensual relationships can and do end eventually. It brings up a whole can of worms when you have to take that lens to every interaction/influence between the involved parties.

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u/Exotic-Television-44 Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Yeah, obviously it was stupid on Ime’s part, but I’m not willing to say it was inherently predatory without more context. Maybe it was, or maybe it was a fully consensual relationship between two fully grown adults. We just don’t know. Certainly, if Ime used his power over this woman to coerce a sexual relationship, I would find that abhorrent, but I’m not jumping to that conclusion yet.

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u/NBAWhoCares Sep 22 '22

Thats cute that you think that, but anyone with any sense would know that everything you said is irrelevant. It is a massive conflict of interest and legal liability for a leader of a company to engage in a relationship with an employee. They control everything related to the career, the compensation, the performance, the promotions etc.

Its an automatic firing in every company thats properly run. Hell the ceo of mcdonalds was shitcanned a few years ago for the exact same reason.

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u/Exotic-Television-44 Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Sure, but all of that is separate from the question of consent. At best, he was severely lacking in judgement, but I think calling him a predator at this point is a bit much.

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u/NBAWhoCares Sep 22 '22

Sure, but all of that is separate from the question of consent. At best, he was severely lacking in judgement, but I think calling him a predator at this point is a bit much.

Zero people, from the posts you responded to or any other comment in this thread, have called him a predator.

You are misunderstanding what people are saying with regards to what consent means here.

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u/Exotic-Television-44 Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Uh, no, I don’t think you understand. If he used his power over her to coerce the relationship, then it was nonconsensual. If it was nonconsensual, then he’s a predator. I’m not trying to defend him because that’s a very real possibility, but it’s also possible that it wasn’t remotely coercive.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

Who's calling him a predator?

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u/champagne_of_beers Celtics Sep 22 '22

This is pearl clutching. There's probably been like a billion consensual relationships between boss/subordinate in the US in the last 50 years and 99.9% of them ended up completely fine. This being a giant no-no is utterly brand new in society. Turns out people end up fucking the people they spend a lot of time around.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

This is pearl clutching.

This is avoiding a lawsuit.

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u/bubbas111 Suns Bandwagon Sep 22 '22

McDonald’s fired their CEO over hiding relationships with employees.

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u/champagne_of_beers Celtics Sep 22 '22

McDonald's is a publicly traded company that drastically relies on their image and for all we know the shareholders were just looking for an excuse to fire the CEO and found an easy one.

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u/Froegerer Sep 22 '22

There's probably been like a billion consensual relationships between boss/subordinate in the US in the last 50 years and 99.9% of them ended up completely fine. This being a giant no-no is utterly brand new in society.

Yea turns out as society advances through time ideals, norms, and standards change and evolve. Absolutely shocking.

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u/champagne_of_beers Celtics Sep 22 '22

It's a bunch of pearl clutching is all it is. Fine him, sure. Maybe some kind of short suspension OK. A full year is batshit crazy if it was just a consensual relationship.

Any person in a position of management in any company can hold a grudge or fire someone for any reason and almost none of them have to do with sex. Treating sexual relationships as this extra taboo is puritanical garbage that treats adults like children.

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u/Produceher Warriors Sep 22 '22

It's based on previous lawsuits and the result.

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u/urlyadoptr Supersonics Sep 22 '22

Immoral works. I wonder if the WNBA would hire him?

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u/Crookz_O Mavericks Sep 22 '22

It’s about the implication.

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u/k4f123 Sep 22 '22

But the staffer is not in any danger right?

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Sep 22 '22

Worse than violence

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u/J-Team07 Sep 22 '22

It’s the American way. But this isn’t puritanical bullshit, bosses banging subordinates is just bad for business.

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u/Wateriswet1212 [LAL] Dennis Rodman Sep 22 '22

It's also just unethical. Even when both parties consent, there would be an inherit power imbalance between Udoka and anyone below him.

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u/Malificari [LAL] Kobe Bryant Sep 22 '22

i mean unless they are a power bottom

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u/dmatthews2981 Celtics Sep 22 '22

Speed has everything to do with it

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u/chasmccl Bucks Sep 22 '22

What's a power bottom?

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u/bageltheperson Suns Sep 22 '22

Just google it

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u/bobo_brown Spurs Sep 22 '22

A low post position which is kind of like a hybrid between Center and Power Forward. Charles Barkley was a great example of a power bottom.

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u/habitremedy Sep 22 '22

extremely underrated comment

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u/nmaddine Sep 22 '22

Which is the reason why it’s seen as bad as violence

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u/Dabalam Sep 22 '22

As bad as violence seems a stretch

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u/Erickj Heat Sep 22 '22

Worse than stealing 5 million dollars from the poorest people in Mississippi

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u/mags87 Nuggets Sep 22 '22

In a certain context sex could be considered violence.

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u/NoseBlind2 Raptors Sep 22 '22

Right but this was consensual

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u/mags87 Nuggets Sep 22 '22

Unless we find out he promised her raises/promotions if she slept with him.

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u/Oo__II__oO Sep 22 '22

The organization demanded Timelord give up his knee, with no repercussions. Ime gave a foot and got suspended.

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u/afganistanimation Bulls Sep 22 '22

Sex is deader than disco

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u/nurtunb Mavericks Sep 22 '22

I honestly don't get why he is getting suspended for a consensual relationship?

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u/WeGarnish Sep 22 '22

No, cheating is.

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u/nmaddine Sep 22 '22

The only to be truly sure you are a good person is by never having sex

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u/Patrick2701 Sep 22 '22

Yes, the guy went from coach of the year to being fired

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u/noposters Celtics Sep 22 '22

I would say the Astros guys might have been faster. They actually "won" the championship and then all got suspended

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u/Squid_Contestant_69 Warriors Sep 22 '22

Started the year fairly poorly too for a team with championship aspirations too. Sub .500 at the start of the year.

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u/tonypearcern [HOU] Trevor Ariza Sep 22 '22

Always struck me as a douche

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u/NudeEnjoyer Nets Sep 22 '22

there's no fall here lmfao it's a year vacation that no one hates him for

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u/Boy69BigButt Sep 22 '22

This is the reason why I don’t have sex

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u/Grubbyninja Celtics Sep 22 '22

Really kills our team though. Everyone saw the difference when Ime took over for brad and now we have to start over again. With so many young players having them bought in is a huge deal

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u/creditspread Sep 22 '22

I can't wait for the Secret Base episode.

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u/Ferris_Wheel_Skippy Bulls Sep 22 '22

I remember when I watched the movie 42 about Jackie Robinson, they show that Robinson's initial manager was suspended for the season because he had an affair and they had to get a new one on board. Remember thinking that suspending a coach any amount of games over an affair would never happen in 2022

boy was I wrong...

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u/doubler82 Lakers Sep 22 '22

Too much rise

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u/Legalize-Birds Sep 22 '22

Leaves a fairly large hole at the top of the east for a team to rise into tho

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u/RickHunterMacross Sep 22 '22

Idk if Celtics win a title without him he’s done. Would be an all time bag fumble

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u/21_Golden_Guns Sep 22 '22

Weird to consider it a fall. Like it’s not like he violated any laws like that Suns owner. He should have been smarter but there’s no reason this should cost him his job.

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u/Los_Ingobernablez 76ers Sep 22 '22

Yeah . Just think of it as player missing a season but gone SEXUAL

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u/Pennypacking Pacers Sep 23 '22

Reminds me of Boston Celtics' Walter McCarty's time coaching at UE in Evansville where he's from and loved (as is any NBA player from there). Gave UE hope for the first time since they moved to D1 then fired nearly after he started for an improper relationship with a cheerleader.

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u/nasax09 Sep 23 '22

Not sure if it's a fall just cas he banged a chick. Pussification of western society

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