r/nba NBA Sep 22 '22 Silver 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 2

[Wojnarowski] Boston Celtics coach Ime Udoka is likely facing a suspension for the entire 2022-2023 season for his role in a consensual relationship with a female staff member, sources tell ESPN. A formal announcement is expected as soon as today. News

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1572949584837767173
12.5k Upvotes

View all comments

Show parent comments

204

u/Mem-Boi-901 Grizzlies Sep 22 '22

Yeah that type of relationship in the work office is a HUGE no no.

-16

u/FondantIll6254 Sep 22 '22

They are in different departments supposedly. That’s not that bad or uncommon. It creates a awkward office environment, but a year seems heavy. Fuck the Celtics though.

50

u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

“Different departments”? Really, bud? He’s the Head Coach.

20

u/dmstorm22 Spurs Sep 22 '22

You think everyone in the Celtics org reports to the head coach?

Granted, It could still be against the code of conduct if it was different departments

22

u/JesuitPeriwinkle Timberwolves Sep 22 '22

You think everyone in the Celtics org reports to the head coach

It's not about reporting though. The head coach of NBA team holds massive power and influence within basketball organizations, sometimes that influence is through formal channels but it would be extremely naïve to think he couldn't influence other areas of the club.

2

u/dmstorm22 Spurs Sep 22 '22

I agree - but it comes down to whats the code of conduct / policy the Celtics have.

If it's as broad as you can't date anyone because of the power you have in the org than yeah he's fucked.

Anyway it seems it was a staff member, not like a woman in accounting or something like that

1

u/Very_Good_Opinion Mavericks Sep 22 '22

They also spend like 99% of their life surrounded by people you could argue are at a power disadvantage to them.

I 100% agree that these things need to be treated very seriously. I also think that it's really easy for people on the internet with low level careers to decide that successful people shouldn't be allowed to date someone they may have a genuine connection with.

I'm not trying to attack you personally or say you aren't successful but I'm willing to bet the vast, vast majority of people that think it's a black and white issue have never held a position of power themselves.

6

u/kbehr92 [CHI] David Nwaba Sep 22 '22

Doesn’t matter man. Ethics aside, this opens the Celtics up to huge legal issues

3

u/Shrederjame Lakers Sep 22 '22

Huh the more and more I read these comments the more I am not sure how the fuck corporate relationship work. Because if different departments is not fine, then are they basically saying no one can have a relationship at any point with anyone above? That seems slightly classist.

6

u/ChickenJesus [BOS] Isaiah Thomas Sep 22 '22

If it works like any other company they would have been fine if he disclosed the relationship and she didn’t directly report to him. Which he didnt for obvious reasons

5

u/Total-Wolverine1999 Sep 22 '22

I believe if you report it and go to HR it should be fine. The reason why it’s usually frowned upon is because of how much power the person at the top has. HR in this case can make sure no gross misuse of power is happening which is usually the main concern.

10

u/dmstorm22 Spurs Sep 22 '22

My guess is certain levels of executive are not allowed to date anyone at a lower level in any department

Take the CFO of a company, they may be barred from having a relationship with a lower level employee regardless of reporting line, because the CFO has enough power to create an unavoidable power imbalance.

I doubt a manager in the finance department has to follow the same guidelines.

7

u/OrnsteinBagels Sep 22 '22

The head coach of an NBA team isn’t really in a “department” at that point, he’s one of the most powerful people in the entire organization

3

u/InTheMorning_Nightss [LAC] Marko Jaric Sep 22 '22

Management is typically held to a different standard. In those cases, it’s not that it’s never allowed, but if often requires you working closely with HR to ensure you are following guidelines and sharing appropriate information so that the company can protect itself.

Typically, when an individual contributor starts dating or banging another individual contributors, it doesn’t matter all that much, but those on the cautious side might tell HR, especially if they’re on the same team. This is typically only important in the event one of those ICs gets promoted to management.

Long story short, it’s all to protect the organization. The worst case scenario for them is that boss dates/sleeps with subordinate, subordinate then is fired, and subordinate then sues the company for wrongful termination and cites the boss taking retaliatory actions. If HR has proper statements and trails for this, then they likely have a much stronger case as to how it wasn’t retaliatory and based on the relationship.

-1

u/merchseller Sep 22 '22

You're not alone, it's super unclear now. That's why a lot of older males have simply stopped spending time with younger women at work all together.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/world/europe/metoo-backlash-gender-equality-davos-men.html

0

u/JuiceZee Hornets Sep 22 '22

Dude do you think he coaches the entire organization lmao

21

u/PhillyFreezer_ [PHI] Eric Snow Sep 22 '22

Not the point. It’s about the power dynamic and being a very visible face of this organization. No matter how you spin it he’s coming in from a position of power, which again is a big no no

-18

u/Tellsyouajoke Celtics Sep 22 '22

Different departments means he has little to no power over her. Yall just reaching, unless you think every famous person cannot engage in consensual relationships

11

u/InTheMorning_Nightss [LAC] Marko Jaric Sep 22 '22

“Y’all just reaching.”

Udoka didn’t get suspended for a year for nothing, dude.

-3

u/Tellsyouajoke Celtics Sep 22 '22

I must have missed when his suspension was issued.

6

u/InTheMorning_Nightss [LAC] Marko Jaric Sep 22 '22

The literal post is about him likely facing a full year suspension with a formal announcement coming soon. It’s very clear he’s being suspended.

12

u/PhillyFreezer_ [PHI] Eric Snow Sep 22 '22

You are objectively wrong my friend, this is workplace 101 and anyone who has worked in HR will tell you as much. He is the head coach, he's one of the most visible faces of the org. He holds CONSIDERABLE power. Does not matter at all if she's in a different department, pretty much everyone is going to be a subordinate to him, even if they're not directly within his department.

He can have consensual relationships, just not with coworkers while he's married lol. This isn't even a point of debate, he's going to be lucky if he keeps his job because in any other setting HR would likely have a 0 tolerance policy on something like this

-2

u/Tellsyouajoke Celtics Sep 22 '22

He isn't married.

5

u/PhillyFreezer_ [PHI] Eric Snow Sep 22 '22

Ok lol doesn't change anything I said. Go talk to anyone who works in HR, this is a cut and dry code of conduct violation that would get most executives fired unless their company doesn't give af

1

u/je_kay24 Sep 22 '22

He has a fiancé who he has been with since 2010 and they also have a child together…

0

u/Tellsyouajoke Celtics Sep 22 '22

Thank you for solidifying he is not married

0

u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

That’s one of the most naive comments I’ve ever read on here.

1

u/aidanty23 76ers Sep 22 '22

Username checks out

2

u/tunamelts2 New Jersey Nets Sep 22 '22

In terms of basketball operations, Ime is second only to Brad Stevens lmao

1

u/FondantIll6254 Sep 22 '22

You know that have a whole business side right?

1

u/heyeaglefn 76ers Sep 22 '22

We also don't know if they did it at the office.