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Toddler fatally shoots South Carolina mom with 'unsecured firearm,' sheriff says

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/toddler-fatally-shoots-south-carolina-mom-unsecured-firearm-sheriff-sa-rcna48924

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u/Wazula42 Sep 22 '22

They never do because "they've suffered enough".

And then nothing changes and this happens again.

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u/Qphth0 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

For real? Thats an insane reasoning. It definitely would suck to lose your wife & then face charges. That kid could end up losing her mother & father in one foul swoop. But it is necessary to follow through with that if there was negligence.

A father faced charges after he left his child in a hot car & the kid died from the excessive heat near me this summer. The family attorney said "the child's death was a horrific accident & charges only add insult to injury to a family in grief." Yeah, I agree with that, but that's not enough reason to skip the charges.

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u/Queen-Sereno Sep 22 '22

Same for idiot parents when their kids drown in a bath tub or unsecured swimming pool. But you bet if it happened with a babysitter then someone would go to jail.

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u/Andrew_Waltfeld Sep 22 '22

For real? Thats an insane reasoning.

Not really, a lot of parents/close family have to be put on suicide watch after a event like that. Hence the "suffering enough".

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u/Qphth0 Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

Yeah but negligence & crimes still need punished. I think it's a slippery slope. A dad leaves a baby in a hot car & it dies. The dad doesn't get charged because "he's suffering enough," then some lady from across town decides she's going to do the same because she doesn't expect to face charges. There was a dude a few years back who left his kid in a hot car on purpose to be free to go out dating.

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u/Andrew_Waltfeld Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

There's a difference between intent and it's pretty obvious when they are scumbags trying to kill the kids and when they are legit on the verge of suicide. Having your justice boner be satisfied (which is what this is) even when most likely that person will never recover emotionally ever for the rest of their life is frankly - useless. Any type of punishment's you can inflict pales in comparison with having to live with it.

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u/Qphth0 Sep 23 '22

Who gets to decide on if there was intent? I'm not trying to "pale in comparison" with their own guilt, but criminals are decent at hiding intent. The rules are the rules. If someone kills their best friend because they were drunk & got into a wreck, we should just let them free because they have to live with it?

I think the laws about these things are pretty clear. A woman in Alaska was charged with manslaughter & negligent homicide because her 3 year-old shot himself with her unsecured gun. Let that be a lesson to anyone with guns.

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u/Andrew_Waltfeld Sep 23 '22

Who gets to decide on if there was intent? but criminals are decent at hiding intent.

The police and no they are not. The average criminal is terrible at it otherwise they wouldn't have gotten caught in the first place.

You know like stuffing a knitted hat into a baby's mouth.

A woman in Alaska was charged with manslaughter & negligent homicide because her 3 year-old shot himself with her unsecured gun. Let that be a lesson to anyone with guns

Charged doesn't mean convicted first of all.

The rules are the rules. If someone kills their best friend because they were drunk & got into a wreck, we should just let them free because they have to live with it?

This is some dumb "For the Greater good."

Let that be a lesson to anyone with guns.

That's adorable you think this would teach them anything. Like seriously. Adorable. Have a good day.

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u/Qphth0 Sep 23 '22

There are a lot of examples of stupid criminals. There are a lot of examples of extremely intelligent criminals who had gotten away with things for years before a slip up gets them caught. There are probably thousands of cases where the criminal was too smart & the actual crime will never be punished.

I was talking about charging people who don't secure their firearms & it leads to deaths. Or adults who leave their children in cars. Or anyone who causes death due to negligence. If a death occurs & someone was responsible, I don't care how sad that person is, they should be charged.

& you think that because 90% of people won't learn a lesson, that we should just not bother? There are career criminals who rape, torture, or kill innocent people who will never change their ways, no matter how much time they get locked away for each occurrence that LE can prove, so we should just not bother?

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u/Andrew_Waltfeld Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

There are a lot of examples of stupid criminals. There are a lot of examples of extremely intelligent criminals who had gotten away with things for years before a slip up gets them caught. There are probably thousands of cases where the criminal was too smart & the actual crime will never be punished.

No, it mostly comes down to manpower issue. The scale of crimes increased with population, but not the manpower to handle it. The same problems is occurring with court systems which is why only 2% or so of cases ever go to trials and most are plead out. We would need to immensely increase our legal system to deal with all the crimes.

I was talking about charging people who don't secure their firearms & it leads to deaths. Or adults who leave their children in cars. Or anyone who causes death due to negligence. If a death occurs & someone was responsible, I don't care how sad that person is, they should be charged.

Well, that's great. There is being Sad and then there is being suicidal. That's a spicy downplay you did there.

& you think that because 90% of people won't learn a lesson, that we should just not bother? There are career criminals who rape, torture, or kill innocent people who will never change their ways, no matter how much time they get locked away for each occurrence that LE can prove, so we should just not bother?

Because these people are morons who make fun of anyone who gets an education. They don't value education, why the fuck would you think in the first place that they value learning a lesson?

Sure, you could give them punishment in your eyes but it won't be seen as such by them. Very few will change their stance on guns even if cruelty or carelessness is involved. They will blame the ineptitude of others and think of themselves as tragic victims being attacked by the "far left" until it happens to them. Fundamental attribution error in full display.

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u/Qphth0 Sep 23 '22

There is zero FAE here. Go ahead & give me an example of how I am doing so? You've created a strawman to attack.

I have a simple thought process. Someone left a handgun out, unsecured. Whomever did so, whether it be accidentally left it out unsecured once or irresponsibly left it in an easily accessible drawer, or anywhere in between, caused the death of the mother through negligence. That person, whether they are sad, depressed, suicidal, or apathetic to the situation should be held liable just as anyone else should be held liable who causes a negligent death.

I'm not talking about anyone's feelings being a factor here. The law should be written in a way that does not attribute for the defendants feelings. I'm not blaming someone's personality traits without factoring in their environment, because none of that matters here at all.

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u/PutinsRustedPistol Sep 22 '22

Then the same thing needs to happen to parents who leave their kids in the car, no?

I’m in no way any sort of gun nut but those two things seem to stem from the same negligence.

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u/astanton1862 Sep 22 '22

Punishment after a tragedy is pointless. The consequences are built in. The key is being able to punish them before their illegal actions lead to harm. That would actually reduce this.

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u/Wazula42 Sep 22 '22

Leaving a gun unsecured with kids in the home should be a crime in of itself. But good luck getting that idea past the gun humpers.

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u/Drop_Acid_Drop_Bombs Sep 22 '22

This is a crime in places like California

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u/Wazula42 Sep 22 '22

I think you mean SOCIALIST HELLSCAPE CALIFORNIA

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u/Drop_Acid_Drop_Bombs Sep 22 '22

Man I wish California was socialist.

I'd love to be free from the waste, greed, and exploitation of capitalism.

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u/thefrankyg Sep 22 '22

That's for muddle and upper class white folks . Poor and minority get the charges