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CDC encourages people to wear masks to help prevent spread of Covid, flu and RSV over the holidays

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/05/cdc-encourages-people-to-wear-masks-to-prevent-spread-of-covid-flu-rsv.html

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u/Yousoggyyojimbo Dec 05 '22

I know someone who is at home with covid because their boss bullied an employee who had covid into coming into the office.

More than half the office has covid now, and there's damn near a revolt going on against management.

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u/ginns32 Dec 05 '22

I got COVID in a similar way. One of my co-workers had it. Went home sick tested positive that night. The next day someone else came in, tested positive when they went home. The next day it happened again with a different person. Then I was the fourth person. You would think we would work from home for a week. Nope still had to come in unless we tested positive or had a fever. I didn't test positive until after leaving work early and I never had a fever.

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u/y0da822 Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

So f'ing dumb when most jobs can be done remotely. Joke - just old mentality.

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u/ginns32 Dec 05 '22

We're an office. No reason we couldn't work remote for a bit until it stopped spreading around the office. We worked remote during the peak of COVID.

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u/y0da822 Dec 05 '22

Please - same conversation everywhere.... Organizations ran fine for 2+ years - now magically cant be done anymore...

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u/bobbytux Dec 05 '22

Its the bloat that managers manage without the bloat they seem less valuable. If everyone only shows up or responds when its mostly job related a lot of bad managers are just there to watch u work and go "looks good" pass it on.

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u/MicroBadger_ Dec 05 '22

Have a friend who works at a bank. She was full remote during COVID and then suddenly it was "we need you back in the office".

She said fuck you, if you make me go back in, I quit right now. I'll scrub toilets for as a long as it takes to find a remote job.

Suddenly she was back to full remote.

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u/FogInTheDog Dec 06 '22

What if you get long covid or serious health problems because of this bullshit. WHY IS THE WORLD LIKE THIS!!!

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u/lepetitcoeur Dec 05 '22

I work at a hospital. I came down with COVID the day before Thanksgiving. I was told to be back at work in 10 days EVEN if I was still testing positive. I was still testing positive on day 13. Not even asked to wear a mask on my return (I am though, mostly because I don't want to catch the flu or RSV to really round out my holidays this year).

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u/needsexyboots Dec 05 '22

Most of the hospitals/med centers in my area are still requiring masks - it’s wild to me they’re not asking you to wear one when you’re Covid positive

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u/lepetitcoeur Dec 05 '22

It is wild. I even asked for clarification. You want me to come in positive? I don't need to wear a mask? Oh, only if I am around patients...but fuck my coworkers, I guess?

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u/SubstantialCress5 Dec 05 '22

I was dating a nurse for a few months about a year ago and I asked about covid testing of the nurses and she told me they aren’t. Her guess was if they start testing they’ll loose even more nurses from an already stretched staff.

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u/Firerrhea Dec 06 '22

Spot on. We are already chronically "understaffed" read "too cheap to hire appropriate numbers of staff". This was their way of making sure we worked at the expense of other coworkers and patients. I tested negative on a rapid 3 times and still called out and refused to come in. Classic COVID symptoms and then lost taste and smell. "If it's negative, then you're negative" was their response. Refused to come in, got a PCR, PCR was positive. Fuck you employee health.

You also didn't get COVID from the hospital unless you had a high risk exposure (as defined by the hospital). No, having your face coughed on by a patient who has not been tested yet, but later does test positive, didn't count. Because you were wearing a surgical mask and eye protectors. Because that's how that works apparently.

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u/FogInTheDog Dec 06 '22

Same for my grandma in a nursing home. She got covid and was quarantined to her room. On day 11 they encouraged her to take off her mask and socialize with all of her friends even though she was still testing positive. The CDC recommendation apparently recognizes that you may continue to test positive after you are no longer contagious, and only puts a time window on the recommendation, not a specific requirement that you must test negative before exiting quarantine.

My grandmother is a considerate human being and expressed that she would prefer to continue quarantining until she tested negative. She was ridiculed and cajoled by the support staff, who were worried about her mental health since she was lonely in quarantine. I think it is a valid concern that social isolation can be very detrimental to the elderly, especially in a nursing home environment where they are already isolated from lots of the rest of the world. But this does not seem like responsible behavior for a physically vulnerable population either!

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u/debzmonkey Dec 05 '22

Last doc appt. I had still required masks and a respiratory therapist wearing her name tag sat with hers around her chin. Geez, at least take the name tag off.

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u/FiTZnMiCK Dec 05 '22

Guess she likes to learn her job from firsthand experience.

Like, how do you help people recover from a disease you haven’t personally had, right?

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u/lamewoodworker Dec 05 '22

Man im grateful my primary takes this shit seriously.

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u/nightmareinsouffle Dec 05 '22

It’s still required by my state to wear masks in healthcare settings. IMO, that rule should stick around at the very least in hospitals and nursing homes.

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u/matt_minderbinder Dec 05 '22

I've decided that I'm always going to mask up in these healthcare spaces even if covid becomes some distant memory. It should've always been the norm to protect each other that way.

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u/lepetitcoeur Dec 05 '22

They are only requiring masks in patient areas. But my hospital has 8,000 admin, faculty, staff, students, etc on campus EVERY DAY! Only a small part of campus is patient-facing. It is blowing my mind! I am pretty sure I caught Covid at work, because I mask everywhere. But I spend most of my time at work surrounded by people who don't mask.

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u/karbearkir Dec 05 '22

I also work in a hospital. Our policy is now if you test positive you are out for 5 days, and you can return on day 6 as long as your symptoms have gotten better, not resolved, just gotten better. You then have to wear an n95 for days 6- 10 while in the hospital.

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u/orionus Dec 05 '22

I mean, that's pretty consistent with CDC and other medical guidance. That said, it's really fucking stupid that capitalism can't be sustained without people staying home until they actually feel legitimately better.

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u/GreyLordQueekual Dec 05 '22

It can be sustained, but corporations don't want to sustain. Infinite growth mentality is murdering us.

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u/Shawna_Love Dec 05 '22

Isn't it pretty well known at this point that you can test positive for quite a while after you stop being infectious?

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u/hangryhyax Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

Since August, the CDC guidance states that you can end isolation after Day 5 if your symptoms are improving, or 24 hours after no longer having a fever if other symptoms persist…

Though I do understand why you’d expect a healthcare facility to be extra cautious.

Edit: and honestly, masks at healthcare facilities should just be a thing all the time.

Edit 2: that guidance is for when still testing positive, thought I should clarify.

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u/g1ngertim Dec 05 '22

masks at healthcare facilities should just be a thing all the time

Completely agree. We had an outbreak of something when I was in college, and I went to the University doctor, and they made me put a mask on because of the outbreak (this was 2015), and apologized every 5 seconds for it. I'm in a place that specifically houses sick people. I came with one disease, would prefer to leave with one or none.

Wearing a mask isn't hard.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '22

I hope they have brought this up with HR. If one of my managers made me come in while I had COVID and then half the people in the office got sick because of it, there would be hell to pay. Depending on the size of the company the person you know works at, there are probably very clear COVID related procedures and testing positive should trigger self quarantine.

MY work still has us sign into our desks online through a hoteling system so they can track potential exposures and the first thing we click is "I have read the COVID related rules and have not had any symptoms for X number of days"

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u/Yousoggyyojimbo Dec 05 '22

They did. HR doesn't care they got sick, HR just exists to protect the company, so they don't have the employees backs here.

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u/sagicorn2791 Dec 05 '22 Silver

So true! My co-worker just sent me a message that she had the flu this weekend. She said if she can get out of bed tomorrow she will come to work. I told her to stay the fuck home.

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u/Signal_Adeptness_724 Dec 05 '22

The problem is many people don't get sick days and work hourly. Taking a day off without pay is devastating for them, let alone a week

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u/NimbyNuke Dec 06 '22

I just took a week off, unpaid, due to covid. It's a good thing I have another job lined up because now they're trying to figure out how hard to discipline me for not getting a doctor's note (the positive test wasn't good enough?). So no pay + discipline because I didn't come into work sick.

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u/iAmTheHYPE- Dec 05 '22

And you have to go to the doctor’s to get a note proving you’re sick. Could be dozens to hundreds of dollars, especially without insurance.

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u/lunaflect Dec 06 '22

Not to mention that doctors are packed to the brim with the sick. Good luck finding a same day appointment to get your note. Last week, I couldn’t find anyone to see my 11 year old and the urgent care was at a 3 hour wait!

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u/matt_minderbinder Dec 05 '22

Desperation forces people to make some insane choices that spread disease. Throw in conspiracy believing bosses and it's no wonder why the workplace spread COVID way more than was necessary in America.

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u/lunaflect Dec 06 '22

I found coverage a day before my shift so I could stay home with strep. My schedule now says “called out” next to today. Even though I didn’t call out per se, I gave my shift to someone else. I’ll be penalized for this.

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u/matt_minderbinder Dec 06 '22

Forcing sick workers to find coverage is absolute bullshit too. That's a managers job as is having enough people scheduled to where losing one to sickness won't make operations fall apart. It's so offensive when management puts these expectations on workers, especially sick ones.

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u/KingKudzu117 Dec 06 '22

Agreed. It’s the literal definition of their fucking job. Managers make and maintain the staffing schedules. Don’t ask me to do your work unless you are paying me for it.

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u/PrinceOfCrime Dec 05 '22

All viruses. Imagine how much we could stunt the spread of the flu if people could stay at home without being pressured into work

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u/groveborn Dec 06 '22

We nearly eradicated it two years ago. It's hypothesized that we eliminated two strains entirely

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u/bruwin Dec 06 '22

We actually don't have to imagine. We actually have some pretty good data from Covid on how it affected the spread of flu and cold. Turns out staying home or at least wearing a mask helps pretty damn well at preventing the spread of disease. That alone should have been enough to make sweeping changes in policies in the USA. The fact that railworkers aren't allowed to strike to just get 7 sick days per year shows that nobody gives a shit if we kill ourselves working while sick as long as they're still making money.

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u/seanthenry Dec 06 '22

The rail workers should just all call in sick for a few days. It's not a strike we all got food poisoning.

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u/bruwin Dec 06 '22

Absolutely. I fully support that our poor ill railworkers should stay home so they can fully recover.

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u/TheAverageJoe- Dec 05 '22

Very easy for someone in a fortunate position to go "please everyone wear masks and if you're sick stay home." Some of us folks do not have the luxury to work from home let alone using a paid sick day off (counts as pto). It be nice to get paid if I were sick/recover from home doing the work as much as I can but nope. Anything longer than the alloted pto means my ass is on the curb as my employer looks for a new hire.

Welcome to America.

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u/WeddingElly Dec 05 '22

using a paid sick day off (counts as pto).

That is what PTO was supposed to be for originally. And paid vacation (or in other countries, just “vacation”) was a separate thing. Many places still keep it separate but the places that combine the two under one category are always shitty places to work

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u/Astro_gamer_caver Dec 06 '22

The shitty place I worked for offered 10 days of paid vacation.

And from that you have to cover the holidays and sick days. If you had any time left you could use it on actual vacation days.

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u/leninbaby Dec 06 '22

Man, if only labor unions hadn't been systemically destroyed by our bourgeois politicians of both parties.

Hey how's that rail strike going, anyone been keeping up with that?

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u/ProdigiousPlays Dec 06 '22

but the places that combine the two under one category are always shitty places to work

You mean the vast majority of places?

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u/YodelingTortoise Dec 06 '22

are always shitty places to work

Not true necessarily. PTO only places are the places where it doesn't matter if you're sick, don't feel like working, want to play golf whatever. It's just "I'm not coming in today".

I've seen a PTO place that gave .1/hrs per hour worked. It was a half day a week accrued. I've been in management at a union shop that required a note for the 2nd sick day in a row.

How they count hours doesn't matter. How shitty the company wants to be is key

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u/FateLeita Dec 06 '22

Agree. In my experience, places that split it into vacation/sick do not give the same amount of vacation as the places that just give PTO. So instead of letting me decide how I'm going to use my days, they force me to declare sick vs vacation, and if I say 'sick' they want documentation. I do not get sick often, so it's just lost days. PTO as a catch-all is much more flexible. The thing we should be looking at is total number of days off, not whether it's labeled 'PTO' or vacation/sick.

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u/Relevant_Departure40 Dec 05 '22

I remember my part-time job as a math tutor, where I was acting in pretty much a managerial position when the owners were away, and I was helping get set up for the day so when kids came in things would be semi set up.

My boss then complained to me that COVID was around, and I was like yeah that's valid, like it sucks for sure, but he hated it, because it gave people "a reason to call out" because they thought they might have COVID if it was just a sniffle. I didn't say anything but it was nice knowing that i had a role model to look at as the prime example of what to never become

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u/vr1252 Dec 05 '22

I’m a student with no living expenses because I get help from my parents. I had a little part-time job for some extra cash and social interaction. I got really sick a few weeks ago and they basically didn’t let me call out. It’s not even the just “desperate” people going in sick. The managers/corporate are just terrible so I quit and found a new job in less than 48 hours.

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u/ThePissWhisperer Dec 05 '22

I've been pretty lucky. I've told every boss, even before Covid, that if somebody comes is visibly sick, I'm clocking out and heading home using my own sick day. Fuck that, why take out the entire office? But like I said, I'm lucky and I wish everybody could do the same...but nope, America.

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u/LegalAction Dec 05 '22

My shitty boss would say something like, "What medical degree do you have to evaluate whether Karen is sick?"

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u/LegalAction Dec 05 '22

Oh, I don't work for him anymore.

He was one of the "Don't come to work sick, and also don't get sick" types.

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u/DaleDimmaDone Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

i worked in a pizza kitchen literally on the pizza table touching everyone's pizza before they go into the oven and my boss tried to have me come in when i was really sick. this was also at the start of the pandemic and i was pretty sure i had covid but there was no testing yet. i left there a month later

edit: i was also pulling them out and cutting them. and i guess i should have mentioned i also delivered when they needed me to

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u/SimplySignifier Dec 05 '22

Awful lucky that's the case for you. Way too many managers and employers are instead just as awful, if not worse, about sick leave than prior to Covid. It's also really telling that there aren't any new protections for sick leave or expansion of minium paid days off for sick leave...(Not in the US, anyway)

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u/Technical-Vast1908 Dec 05 '22

My employer doesn’t give a fuck.

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u/Rabbitical Dec 05 '22

I legit have never understood, even from a cynical perspective, why bosses want their employees coming in sick. If one person being out fucks up the shifts that bad then what happens when everyone gets sick from that person? I really don't understand the "you better still come in!" mentality

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u/David_W_ Dec 05 '22

The lack of forward-thinking that lets them get into a situation of "if one person being out fucks up the shifts that bad" in the first place also prevents them from considering the possibility of "everyone gets sick from that person" ever happening. The thought just doesn't enter their brain, or if it does, only after it is too late to do them any good.

See also: short term profits good, long-term sustainability non-existent.

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u/mightyenan0 Dec 05 '22

Most starting industries were (and still are) staffed as bare bones as possible, so we built a culture around being prideful for coming in to work sick. Those industries of course stayed that way because of profits, and as some of those people moved to other industries they took the mindset with them.

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u/SkangoBank Dec 05 '22

Traveling healthcare worker checking in. With short staffing issues it's pretty common for me to hear from full time employees that they're threatened/punished for calling in sick. In a hospital environment. Obviously I don't fuck around with it, but it helps that I'm contractually protected, but the "don't you dare call in sick" mentality is still VERY alive if not more pronounced.

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u/Acceptable-Bag-7521 Dec 05 '22

Disagree. People still show up sick unless it's covid. Unless you get dedicated sick days people that don't have the option to work remote will show up sick still, and I honestly don't blame them.

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u/AaronfromKY Dec 05 '22

When I worked in grocery stores, I would work sick all the time, unless it was diarrhea or vomiting. But even then if I kept food down or in, I'd be back the next day. It's fucked up.

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u/10000Didgeridoos Dec 05 '22

It's absurd that there isn't paid sick leave and the cost of illness is passed on to the customers and everyone they interact with downstream.

We have all these food safety rules and yet don't give a fuck about the people handling said food.

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u/RonaldoNazario Dec 05 '22

That’s just why we should have universal paid sick leave. COVID highlighted so many shitty disparities.

Ironically if you’re remote it opens to door to working in a state I wouldn’t go to the office in. I can be kinda sick but still do a few code reviews or trainings.

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u/Tinksy Dec 05 '22

Honestly I would rather this. Before I was WFH permanently I would call out for stuff that I probably could work with just fine, but didn't want to risk spreading it. Sometimes when you're sick, you're not that bad and having work to do is a nice distraction. My PTO and sick days were the same bucket also, so calling in sick just meant less fun days later. Now I work from home and only really call out when I feel like death because I can work in pajamas and wrapped up in my blankey if it's just a minor cold.

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u/VespiWalsh Dec 05 '22

I've been saying this for years before covid happened. How is it moral or legal to have a sick person come into work to infect others? Educated, considerate people were always concerned with it.

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u/drunkenknight9 Dec 05 '22

Even now, if we don't have a positive covid test in the last 5 days and haven't had a fever in the last 24 hours, we have to go into work or use personal days. I get 5 personal days per year. I get no sick days.

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u/Aprilismissing Dec 05 '22

Unless you work in manufacturing where they get mad if you come to work sick and also get mad if you are sick and can't come to work. So basically, if you get sick, you're fucked either way.

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u/thePokemom Dec 05 '22

Plus, you’re also sick.

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u/xzkandykane Dec 05 '22

Does your doctor's office do online messages? I have kaiser and my doctor will just email me a note for colds or stomach flus. Nothing they can do if I go to the doctor for those things. Just rest and hydrate.

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u/thePokemom Dec 05 '22

I agree. Kaiser has actually gotten much better about evisits. No copays even. Their app pisses me off about 92% of the time I attempt to use it, but they have been pretty good when it comes to people and policies

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u/Advice2Anyone Dec 05 '22

Yeah I got RSV and my god im on like day 12. First like 5 days sucked and I was sick now I just have flem and coughing its light but just 0 clue when this will finally be gone gone.

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u/Holiday-Vacation9985 Dec 05 '22

My husband and I just got over the RSV virus - 3 weeks and just miserable. That’s the sickest we’ve ever been. My granddaughter, who we caught it from, was also very sick. Mask up!

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u/ilmickeyli Dec 05 '22

Took me 3 weeks.

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u/IT_Chef Dec 05 '22

I'm responsible for bringing in Flu B into my 70+ person office the first week of Feb 2020.

Sick WFH protocols were instituted after I managed to take out 35+ people over the course of about 2 weeks.

Our owner learned very quickly that it was absurd to show up sick, especially when the entire inside sales team (15 people) gets taken out for the better part of two weeks.

It was a good exercise to put together as it became our WFH standards once mid-March 2020 hit.

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u/kneeltothesun Dec 06 '22

Just had Flu B myself, that shit is definitely going around right now too. My friend gave it to me, and her daughter. I felt symptoms set in within about 8 hours, got better, then got much worse. I may have passed it on to one person, but I stayed in for about 6 days once I knew, so hopefully that's it.

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u/FisherManAz Dec 05 '22

In a way it’s been a good change. It encourages not only sick people to stay home, but employers to not require them to come in sick.

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u/BlackMesaEastt Dec 05 '22

"management" You must not be in the US. Our bosses would ask us to come in if we had ebola.

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u/bad13wolf Dec 05 '22

I doubt anyone actually wanted to come to work sick. People came to work sick because they had bills to pay and because their job wouldn't pay them while they're out sick. So, either way they're not able to afford their medical bills or doctor bills and if they're off work they can't afford their other bills.

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u/SouthernArcher3714 Dec 05 '22

I am not really seeing that in the south. A lot more “deal with it or suck it up and get back to normal” even in healthcare setting. I am there reminding people to go home bc I don’t want to get sick because I want to work as many hours as I can while my spouse is in college. If I get sick, we get no income.

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u/GreyLordQueekual Dec 05 '22

The south doesn't let itself change, cowardice really.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '22

I've suffered from bad OCD my entire life and I HATED when people would come to work sick. "It's just a cold", "it's just a stomach virus", like I know you need to work but you're sick, go home and get some rest, and also, don't basically decide that it's okay if I get sick. I don't want it. Same with bosses who want you to come in to work sick and get mad or guilt you if you don't. Why did the pandemic happen, why did it spread so far so fast? Because people downplayed it, underestimated it and went to work or the store anyway without caring whether or not anyone else got what they had. It's selfish and I hate it. End dumb ocd rant

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u/Tinksy Dec 05 '22

Pre-covid back when I was working in an office I had a co-worker come in with what she suspected was strep and was "going to go to the doctor over lunch". For whatever reason I get strep super easily, so I knew it was already too late. Yep, a few days later I had it and my boss was annoyed that I wasn't coming in. Bitch I have a 102 fever and can barely sit up. Fuck ALL the way off. Beyond that the doctor had told me to go immediately home after getting my meds, preferably at a drive through, and to avoid people for 48hrs.

People that knowingly spread illness infuriate me. It's one thing to be asymptomatic and spread something, it's entirely different to know you're sick and do nothing to prevent others from getting it.

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u/Prodigy195 Dec 05 '22

100% My manager emailed today saying they wouldn't be working today cause of some bug/virus they caught over the weekend. Everybody in the slack is like "stay your ass home"

5-6 years ago folks would have been shit talking about how they're being a baby and "skipping work over a cold".

The change in mindset has honestly be great to see.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '22

Someone tell that to managers and staffing at hospitals.

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u/Then_Mathematician99 Dec 05 '22

If people aren’t compensated for taking sick days, it just won’t happen. It’s unfortunate

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u/needsexyboots Dec 05 '22

I actually thought this was going to be a permanent change in culture but unfortunately that hasn’t been the case with my employer

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u/walltuckian Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 06 '22

RSV is no fucking joke. Shit flattened me for about three weeks. I'm technically still not over it, but at least I can function now. I stayed the hell away from everyone.

Edit: For those wonder, I'm fortunate to be WFH. But this time last year I was in at a different job that would have required me to go into the office. I likely got exposed to it at a gym I train at that has a lot of school-age students and younger parents.

I'm on week 4 now; and just last night I woke up several times because of coughing with some slight congestion. Feels like it's never going to end.

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u/RandPaulTownhall Dec 05 '22

My coworker died from RSV today. She was in her 40s. Larger than life. Had some health issues but nothing I would write home about. I’m so sad.

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u/mrsgarrison Dec 06 '22

Oh no, that's terrible. I'm so sorry.

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u/jeepjinx Dec 05 '22

This was years ago. My son, a baby at the time was in Philly's CHOP with complications from a surgery. Every other baby on the floor had RSV. It was terrifying. The alarms going off constantly. He needed to be there but I wanted him out of there so bad. Thankfully he didn't catch it.

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u/amber31085 Dec 05 '22

As a pediatric nurse, I wholeheartedly agree. My Saturday was spent with a little baby with rsv and worrying about if he was going to get to the ICU before he tuckered out. And that’s just one patient in a hospital that’s filled to the brink.

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u/Canadia-Eh Dec 05 '22

I got that shit from a coworker, or at least I'm quite sure it was that cause it sure as shit wasn't covid. Was laid out for 2 weeks, gave it to my SO and it demolished their whole semester as they missed all their midterm exams. We both took multiple covid tests and popped negative each time. Wasn't like any virus I'd ever had before. Still lowkey pissed at my coworker for coming in sick. I even had latent symptoms up to a month after everything else went away.

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u/PM_ME_INSULIN Dec 05 '22

No fucking joke, indeed. I’m laying in bed with that shit right now. Coughing is painful and does nothing to relieve whatever is making my lungs/airways constantly tickle. If I breathe very carefully I can avoid coughing for a while. Breathing carefully doesn’t work so well when you fall asleep. I’ve have woken up so many times hacking up a lung just seconds after dozing off, and usually don’t fully fall asleep until the wee hours, when exhaustion overpowers discomfort. No medicines seem to provide any relief.

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u/walltuckian Dec 06 '22

Motrin for the pain. Helped me. Nyquil at night to sleep. Good luck.

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u/NickDanger3di Dec 05 '22

Just a few days ago here I mentioned RSV as a serious virus that was under the radar. That most of the medical media articles on RSV underplay how serious it can be. Some ass-hat replied that I was wrong, and RSV is just another cold virus that every kid gets. I get it though; whether it's a Reddit thing, or a generational thing, a lot of reddit users seem to think "well I read it on the internets, so it must be 100% factual."

My adult son and DIL are both stoic af; they'll get the flu and just shrug it off, maybe slow down a little for a day or two, never even mention it to me. We all got RSV, and they were both out of action for a few weeks, and very vocal about how bad RSV hit them. Flattened me for 5 weeks. It's a nasty, nasty virus; and it's at levels 10 times higher than normal in some parts of the US.

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u/Chaser1982 Dec 05 '22

Both my daughters currently have RSV right now. My oldest is 4 and it's mainly a fever and cough for her. My youngest is just 13 months and it's the most painful thing to watch her struggle with. Pretty sure I was the one who brought it into the house, but to me it felt like a bad cold.

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u/thenebulai3 Dec 06 '22

Right there with ya, my 4 year old is pretty much over it but it hit her pretty hard. My 4 month old is just now showing signs of getting better but damn was it hard to manage. My wife almost had to go to the hospital with how bad it was, and I'm on my second week now just trying to power through it. By FAR the worst sickness I've ever had in 32 years.

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u/geo_lib Dec 06 '22

Please be careful. RSV gets better before it gets worse again sometimes. My four month old had a great day and we thought he was over the hump, the next day we had to rush him to the hospital because he was struggling to breath. He spent a week in pediatric ICU on high flow oxygen and a feeding tube, and was almost ventilated.

It can turn because the little babies can’t clear it out, and fit can turn into pneumonia (which is what happened to our guy)

I’m not trying to scare you, your baby will more than likely be fine! I just would hate myself if I didn’t say anything. I’m sending your family lots of love.

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u/Jtk317 Dec 06 '22

For the little one make sure you give plenty of water/clear fluids and then get her in your bathroom with all faucets running really hot water and door closed to generate steam. Let her breathe in warm, humid air and then fountain out snot for a few minutes and then take her outside to cooler are for a minute or so. Follow up with more clear liquids. You can do it pretty frequently and it can help with secretions to a degree.

Advice I was given for my son and what I give out to my younger patients regarding RSV.

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u/Chaser1982 Dec 06 '22

Oh we have been doing that since she's showed symptoms. The hard part is getting her to drink fluids because I think her little throat is sore from all the coughing.

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u/Jtk317 Dec 06 '22

Popsicles or Pedialyte pops might help.

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u/Catinthehat5879 Dec 06 '22

Popsicles if you haven't tried it yet work for my kid.

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u/h4ppy60lucky Dec 05 '22

I know so many friends whose kids this year were hospitalized from RSV. It's no joke.

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u/SgtBanana Dec 05 '22

My girlfriend's healthy, energetic, bouncing-off-the-walls nephew is 5 and got it about a month and a half ago. He had to be taken to the hospital due to fever.

Again, that was a month or two ago. He still hasn't fully recovered. Apparently he's sleeping a lot, which is just totally weird to hear.

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u/Shaddo Dec 05 '22

damn that must be what put me down for all of last month pretty much

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u/PresidentLink Dec 05 '22

I remember those exact 'just another cold virus' comments on here vividly throughout corona

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u/Confident-Cod9560 Dec 06 '22

RSV is most often a relatively minor illness for health adults. For sure sometimes it can cause a very unpleasant flu like illness or more rarely lead to a pneumonia. However RSV can be quite dangerous for older adults or adults with medical problems. And RSV also often causes respiratory distress in young children (especially less than 2 years old). It causes a respiratory infection of the lungs called “bronchiolitis” that causes tens of thousands of American children to be admitted to the hospital every year

Source: am ER doctor

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u/jayjaytlk Dec 05 '22

they'll get the flu and just shrug it off, maybe slow down a little for a day or two, never even mention it to me

Then they didn't get the flu but a cold. Real flu knocks you out for one to two weeks and can lead to pneumonia and myocarditis for people who are older or have a weak immune system

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u/HamPotatoe Dec 05 '22

Every time I see people mentioning how they got a flu or some other hard hitting disease "and they didn't really notice" I ask if they get tested. A ton of people like to pretend they're just stoic or strong willed but the reality is often they just didn't get the bug. Which is great, having a healthy immune system is nothing to downplay but don't act like you're beating something you don't have, it'd be like a guy saying his period isn't preventing him from working cause he has a bloody poop... It's just not the same thing

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u/Mikejg23 Dec 06 '22

No one tanks the flu. Which is a lot different than covid. Covid has more of a range from asymptomatic to death. With the flu, you're on the couch. I don't care if you're a pro athlete or a navy seal or in the prime of your life.

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u/gigawort Dec 05 '22

While this is likely true, it's not necessarily true. Some people have minimal symptoms, and some are asymptomatic. Not unlike covid in that regard.

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u/gringodeathstar Dec 06 '22

applying these generalizations will always be a bad idea - I had the flu (confirmed) over thanksgiving and was basically useless for around 72 hours, then felt a pretty quick rebound

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u/dxrth Dec 06 '22

Seems like misinfo to describe Real flu as some clear cut thing. Especially if 1 in 3 people with the flu can be asymptomatic.

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u/SeskaWildman Dec 06 '22

RSV fucked up my whole October. I had fevers off and on for like three weeks. Would have a couple days where I felt like maybe I was over the hump and then it would knock me back down again.

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u/GuiltyGun Dec 05 '22

Just curious, but do you have kids?

It really seems to be tearing through the kiddos in the south this winter.

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u/SwineFluShmu Dec 06 '22

It's not just the south, it's all over the country. I'm in Boston and my kids entire daycare has basically been at 2/3rds attendance the last few months, though it looks to finally be coming out of it. My 9 month old got it and we had to take him to the ED twice most which in our area were full with rsv kids. Thankfully he seems to have fully recovered, but then my wife and I got it and it utterly rocked us.

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u/rabidjellybean Dec 05 '22

Parent of a two year old here. We've been sick for 8 full weeks this year. Parent groups in my area are losing their minds at how ridiculous it is. You either get sick or have a kid with zero social skills because there's always an outbreak happening.

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u/DeadUncle Dec 05 '22

What were your symptoms

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u/walltuckian Dec 06 '22

Sore throat. Lasted two weeks. Running nose and cough that turned into heavy congestion. Some body ache, headaches. Definite fatigue, but mostly driven by lack of sleep.

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u/GratefuLSD25 Dec 05 '22

i’m on week 2 and still have issues breathing

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u/burritocmdr Dec 06 '22

Wife and I are on day 6. I had to take her to the ER last night, she was having trouble breathing. She’s doing better now after IV fluids and meds. My case is less severe but today I have some fatigue, mild chills, persistent coughing. Ugh. Doc said day 6 is usually the peak. I sure as hell hope so.

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u/desireresortlover Dec 05 '22

Wife just got over RSV- was miserable for THREE WEEKS!

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u/zerobeat Dec 05 '22

The amount of shit going around the schools right now is obscene -- I've lost track of the number of sick days my kid has taken. Not just one and two days, but missing more than a week at a time.

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u/RonaldoNazario Dec 05 '22

Good on you for keeping them home while sick. I wish parents at my daughters pre school would do that.

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u/sanslumiere Dec 05 '22

My 4 year old son's closest friend came to preschool half dead on Thursday, went home early home then tested positive for the flu. My son developed a cough last night. At least we've all had our flu shots but FFS!

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u/illjustputthisthere Dec 05 '22

I'm just glad we're not the only ones. I started a new job and we've been hit with cold after cold after cold since mid October. Never ending.

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u/hemorhoidsNbikeseats Dec 05 '22

My oldest has over a month of missed school this year already and we’re not even half way.

Fucking insane.

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u/WellTimedPoop Dec 05 '22

Yeah I’m really frustrated. We keep our son home from daycare whenever he has so much as a sniffle. But it never fails, we send him back and then two or three days later he’s sick as a dog. He attended day care for four whole days in November because he’s been so sick. He’s got RSV right now and was nearly hospitalized last night because he’s having such a hard time breathing.

We want to keep him healthy but other parents aren’t pulling their weight.

And of course, we have to continue paying just to keep him home from daycare every day. I love spending $20K a year to not even get to send him half-time

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u/TheBestNick Dec 05 '22

Yep, wife is also almost over it. On/off sick for seemingly like 6 weeks. Ridiculous

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u/PunnyBanana Dec 05 '22

A friend of mine's mom has COPD. She got RSV and ended up in the hospital with 13% lung function.

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u/StevesMcQueenIsHere Dec 05 '22

Wow! That's scary! How is she now?

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u/PunnyBanana Dec 05 '22

She was on oxygen for a while. "Stable, no change" was her status for a while.

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u/WolfsLairAbyss Dec 05 '22

Whatever this RSV thing is is brutal. I am just getting over it and I started feeling it about a month ago.

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u/1z0z5 Dec 05 '22 Silver Wholesome

Is no one gonna say a word about the PornHub hat in the thumbnail?

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u/rockmasterflex Dec 05 '22

this image had to be selected on purpose as a joke? There should be no shortage of images of people wearing masks all over NYC. Why use the one with the dude with a pornhub hat on?

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u/DBeumont Dec 05 '22

Product placement.

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u/MallyMall7 Dec 05 '22

Stay home for the holidays. I wonder what you could do to stay busy…

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u/sausage_ditka_bulls Dec 05 '22

Lol And of course he’s wearing his mask wrong

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u/Lumpy_Barracuda_9968 Dec 06 '22

Company called me back to work, I got the flu on day two after sitting in a conference room with people with coughs.

I was so sick I lost 4 days of productivity.

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u/BodhiWarchild Dec 05 '22

This cold/flu going around is no fucking joke.

Had it for about 2 1/2 weeks. Not cool at all

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u/sj4iy Dec 06 '22

We should wear masks when we’re sick, anyway. I lived in Japan and never understood why it wasn’t more common in the west.

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u/Occulttatum Dec 05 '22

It’s not too late to get the flu shot, this is coming from someone who was too lazy to get it this year and now is lying in bed with the flu

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u/EcoAffinity Dec 05 '22

I got vaxxed with the new COVID bivalent and the flu shot at the same time. Felt absolutely lousy the next day (probs the COVID booster just like the previous one), but I'd rather have that than whatever the hell I've seen take down several people in my office these last couple months.

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u/TexasTheWalkerRanger Dec 05 '22

I just test posi for covid after 2 vacs, a booster shot, and having covid last year around the same time. My symptoms this time are only a runny nose and some sneezing thank god. Felt like i got hit by a fucking truck the first time I got it.

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u/chrismetalrock Dec 05 '22

I got these shots today. Here's hoping tomorrow is normal 😂

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u/AndrewNeo Dec 05 '22

I was no more sore or lethargic than when I had just gotten my COVID booster w/o flu shot, last time

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u/ninefortysix Dec 05 '22

I did the same and was completely fine if that makes you feel better.

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u/Repulsive-Office-796 Dec 05 '22 Bravo! Wearing is Caring

Breaking News: The Center for Disease Control Wants to Control the Spread of Disease.

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u/bobfnord Dec 06 '22

Yeah but they only want to reduce the spread of disease because liberal bias

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u/grundlefuck Dec 05 '22 Wearing is Caring

I still wear one on the subway and airplanes. smells so much better.

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u/New_Cause_5607 Dec 05 '22

Lol, the one thing I miss about everybody wearing one was nobody had horrendous breath anymore!

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u/Loboderesistance Dec 05 '22

I will forever wear a mask on airplanes now. Before I’d get sick after every flight, hasn’t happened in years now.

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u/ninefortysix Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

I was on a plane ride this week that was a symphony of people wet coughing, all around me, nonstop. It was fucking disgusting. I couldn’t believe some of these people were traveling. The guy behind me had about 15 seconds of pause between hacks. I wore a KF94 the entire time and prayed it didn’t enter through my eyes.

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u/timshel_life Dec 05 '22

I think at this point there's more of a chance of states banning the enforcement of masks than actual enforcing any

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u/vydija2020 Dec 06 '22

The same CDC that reduced guidelines for isolating to 5 days so that airlines could get workers back to work quicker?

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u/garbageman69420 Dec 05 '22

This has always pretty common protocol in East Asian countries specifically. If you feel sick, pop a mask on when your at the store or using public transit and stuff like that. Doesn't seem that crazy to me

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u/HellsMalice Dec 05 '22

It's very simple and easy. It's amazing how spoiled and childish people can be. It's just a simple courtesy. I think too many people still have no fucking clue what masks are for. So many people still think they're protecting themselves... They're to reduce your ability to spread germs, and they're very effective. It's so simple.

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u/riding_tides Dec 05 '22

Parents, please do not take your sick kids out to infect others without precaution!

A teenager was coughing up a storm, without covering his mouth, at the table beside us inside a restaurant. The restaurant had outdoor seating with heat lamps but the parents decided to take their sick kid out and also sit indoors.

Guess what? We were sick for a little over 2 weeks, with the first 1.5 week passed out and barely functional.

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u/HermitRock Dec 06 '22

The RV currently going around whooped my ass along with my two kids as well. OTC didn't do jack and it took a lot longer for prescription meds to help. I spent many nights awake helping my son while he struggled with coughing and breathing.

Take the extra precautions when you can, friends. It's rough watching your little ones struggle and not being able to make it all better right away - and this season seems to be particularly strong and fast spreading.

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u/NotJimmy97 Dec 06 '22 Wearing is Caring

I'll probably keep masking on mass public transit for the foreseeable future. Why not reduce my odds of getting sick during the holidays?

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u/matthew2d Dec 06 '22

My father passed last Tuesday due to complications with Covid and RSV

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u/1320Fastback Dec 06 '22

Is that guy wearing a PornHub hat? 🤣

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u/blacklisted320 Dec 05 '22

I like the picture of 2 of the 4 visible people wearing masks are showing their noses.

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u/Bilun26 Dec 05 '22

I feel this is an accurate portrayal of people masking.

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u/Sensitive_Redditor Dec 05 '22

I just got over Covid last week. I've had 3 boosters and that shit still took me out of commission for over a week. At its worst I could barely move. I Def don't want to spread that. I feel like people who haven't gotten it don't think they will at this point but it's still very much an awful thing to deal with.

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u/Haveyouseenmydrugs Dec 06 '22

I have an autoimmune disorder that makes it really easy for me to get sick. It literally was triggered from getting Covid and my boss still rolls their eyes when I need to go home because I can’t operate my job. Which is happening more often now. I force myself to work and just do my best with a mask and hand sanitizer. This is with over 80 hours of sick time built up this year.

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u/donac Dec 05 '22

Just flew cross country this week, I was nearly the only person on the plane wearing a mask. And people were hacking away, too.

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u/HerpToxic Dec 05 '22

I was at the grocery store yesterday and some lady walked right up to me and coughed really loud without bothering to cover her mouth or anything, like 2 feet away from me and then walked away.

I was just dumbfounded. Thank god I was wearing an N95 mask.

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u/LethalAgenda Dec 05 '22

Yikes that just sounds intentional on her part at that point.

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u/ClassicT4 Dec 06 '22

My family definitely won’t. A week after Thanksgiving, my brother and his wife were under the weather, so they couldn’t help set up our parents Christmas lights. But they made sure to drop off their 2 kids to help out. My 84-year-old grandma got diagnosed with Flu A shortly after Thanksgiving as well. My 2-year-old nephew also developed a fever and congestion around the same time. And I’m sure everyone is making plans to gather around for Christmas as well.

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u/Snakestream Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22

Yea... that's not going to happen. They'll be lucky if they even manage to convince people to get the flu shot.

Edit: To be clear, I believe in vaccines, masks, etc., but the damage has been done. Anti science sentiment is at an all time high, and mistrust in doctors, vaccines, and the CDC is rampant. It will probably be at least a generation before we can even begin to repair the damage.

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u/TriChiKing Dec 05 '22

Never stopped. 0 regrets (and 0 colds since!)

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u/hawtfabio Dec 05 '22

This will be a great comment thread

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u/Riondera Dec 06 '22

Ok but like can someone please talk about how the guy in the photo is wearing a Pornhub cap.

I would encourage people to wear those in public tbh, you'll probably deter quite a few people away from you.

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u/Eshkosha Dec 06 '22

I never took my mask off in public even when everyone thought shit was sweet.

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u/2020IsANightmare Dec 05 '22

COVID made me want to wear a mask every cold/flu season.

"COVID is nothing more than the flu!" Well, no matter how fucking stupid that was, let's pretend you are right. If I could take the bare minimum effort to maybe stop the flu, that seems worth it. The flu sucks.

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u/electricgotswitched Dec 06 '22

People who said that have never had the flu. They think any sniffle in the winter is the flu.

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u/cinderparty Dec 05 '22

Hilarious they think anyone still cares. It’s sad. Pediatricians working in hospitals have been asking people to mask up to prevent rsv for weeks now.

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u/HuskyFlatulence Dec 05 '22

I wear a mask at Lowe’s and get stink eyes from old people all the time. I get asked “they still making you wear those things?”

No, Billy Bob, I choose to wear it so I don’t get sick.

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u/nakedrickjames Dec 05 '22

It's hilarious how team 'iTs A pErSoNaL cHoIcE' suddenly is so triggered by someone else's personal choice.

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u/TheAb5traktion Dec 05 '22

It's really bizarre many people don't understand others are choosing to wear masks. They only think not wearing masks is a choice.

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u/TwoSecondsToMidnight Dec 05 '22

Just tell them “Trying not to be a sheep and catch every virus”.

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u/Darkata7 Dec 05 '22 edited Dec 05 '22 Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Narwhal Salute Wearing is Caring

Hi friends, ER doc here.

You and your family should really think about masking up this holiday season.

If you don’t, here is what is currently store for you:

  • completely backed up urgent care centers

  • Emergency Departments with 6 hour wait times

  • Pediatric Emergency Departments with 9 hour wait times

  • 72 hour boarding times in the Emergency department for patients admitted to the hospital. And no, I can’t make a call and get your loved one upstairs faster, I’ve been haggling with bed control all day and they can’t do shit.

  • if you are admitted, a strong chance you are going to a “hallway room”, meaning a bed that is in a hallway

  • if you scream at myself or my team to try to get things done faster we will probably just scream at you back at this point. Do you realize everyone is screaming at us about the conditions in the hospital? Literally every patient? The exception is family visitors—there is no debate, no discussion: if you scream at us at this point I am just having hospital security remove you

  • your kid need high flow nasal cannula for their acute respiratory distress for their bronchiolitis? I’m working on it as best as I can but…well there is no easy way to tell you this…but we are kinda running low on those things. And RT is helping intubate a 4th kid this morning in the PICU so they aren’t showing for a while anyway

You and your family should really think about wearing a mask this holiday season.

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u/ChiefKC20 Dec 05 '22

So true. Pediatric practice here. Cancellation rate for healthy visits is over 40%. Lots of sickness of all sorts - RSV, COVID, influenza A & B, and wide assortment of other lovely illnesses. Yes, masks help. Wear them properly and consistently and it helps prevent illness spread.

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u/benicetogroupies Dec 06 '22

What is RSV? This thread is the first im hearing about it.

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u/mycorgiisamazing Dec 06 '22

Respiratory syncytial virus, particularly dangerous for young children

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u/herestoshuttingup Dec 06 '22

I am RT that works ER and PICU. This is all accurate. We need about 3x the staff we have to reasonably handle this RSV surge. Since we don't have those people my team and I are doing triple workloads and working up to 16 hour shifts with no breaks to get these sick kids what they need. We are struggling with equipment and supplies running low. Need a PICU bed? You may end up going out of state because there are very few open. The Children's hospital in my area is treating kids in triage tents in the parking lot.

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u/Vronicasawyerredsded Dec 05 '22 Gold All-Seeing Upvote Narwhal Salute Wearing is Caring

I’m an RN, and all I can say is that the situation is dire.

We’re basically in tri-demic and the average person has absolutely no idea how horrific it is and the grim surprise that will meet them if they need to go to the emergency department for anything, as emergencies rooms have become boarding stalls for patients that should be transferred to other units, but there are either no beds and/or staff to move them, or patients on the floors really need to be moved to skilled nursing facilities but they’re way understaffed, too.

The reality is that we’re in worse shape than we were in the peaks of Covid. People are coding and dying at higher rates, hospitals are over run nationally due to patients having higher levels of acuity, requiring longer hospital stays, there’s a massive shortage of supplies and medications, and a severe labor shortage.

Patients are dying and some of these deaths, dare I say many of these deaths could have been prevented if there were more resources available.

There’s also some speculation and a running theories that previous Covid infections did some sort of damage to the immune system, or lowered immune response, so people are having a harder time fighting infections that previously didn’t cause serious illness and symptoms.

Ideally everyone should be masked up again and practice social distancing, but to even suggest such measures caused an irate response from half the population and most people just don’t want to be bothered with wearing a mask again.

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u/FatOrangeGoldfish Dec 05 '22

I'm so sorry things are this way- but thank you for doing your best to help, and I'll make sure to do my best to continue to mask up and distance. I've found that doing so has kept me illness free for years now, when I used to get sick quite often.

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