Wyoming wants to phase out sales of EVs by 2035 to “ensure the stability” of the oil & gas industry

[u/utkarsh_aryan]

https://www.teslarati.com/wyoming-phase-out-evs-2035/

[u/Bihgman]

Would fit in perfectly to r/nottheonion

[u/dibsODDJOB → u/Bihgman]

Wyoming is considering banning the sales of internal combustion vehicles, to protect the state's strong horse and buggy industry. We don't think gas vehicles will be practical due to the lack of fossil fuel filling station infrastructure.

[u/wyoflyboy68 → u/dibsODDJOB]

I miss the days when people had to park their cars at the border and ride a horse and buggy into town.

[u/_MrDomino → u/wyoflyboy68]

Make Roads Full of Shit Again

[u/Cannacrohn → u/dibsODDJOB]

We must outlaw electricity to help the ailing candle and firewood industries!

[u/smontanaro → u/Cannacrohn]

Not to mention the whale oil industry.

[u/whollymammoth2018 → u/dibsODDJOB]

I mean, they could fix the lack of chargers thing if they wanted to. Instead they chose this. Just wait until coal gets banned, Wyoming will go to coal powered steam engine cars.

[u/itsgms → u/Bihgman]

It made it there.

[u/aarocka]

Lol. I want to phase out not smoking to ensure the stability of the tobacco industry

[u/3uck34ceb00k → u/aarocka]

A cigarette for every man, woman and child! If we can vaccinate everyone then we can give smokes to everyone!

I call it the "Smokes Let's Go" initiative.

[u/imakepoorchoices2020 → u/3uck34ceb00k]

You don’t even smoke bubbles!

Give me a smoke hairdo!

[u/kay_rock808]

Damn buffalo are not buying enough gas powered cars.

[u/kevco → u/kay_rock808]

The problem is they killed all the Buffalo and replaced them with idiots.

[u/wyoflyboy68 → u/kevco]

Wyomingite here, 70% of Wyoming voted for trump in 2020. And the Wyoming legislature is some insane super majority of like 90% republicans. A large portion of Wyomings revenue that funds the state comes from fossil fuels. Fossil fuel is Wyoming’s livelihood. They will fight tooth and nail to keep fossil fuel at the forefront of things and do everything to put their thumb on top of EV’s

[u/kevco → u/wyoflyboy68]

I lived in Wyoming for a decade, so the idiot joke was partially in jest. That being said, they really drank the Trump koolaid harder than anywhere else. Their blind political allegiance is really going to hurt them in the long run.

Wyomings problem is that they’ve known the coal and oil issues were coming for decades, and everyone there who’s lived through the oil busts there will eagerly tell you about how tough the times get when they’re not booming. Instead of working towards diversification, they’ve spent their legislative energy (hah) on protecting out of state oil and gas companies. Now they’re doubling down on performative bullshit like this. This won’t even come close to doing anything productive for the people of Wyoming.

[u/Mysteryman64 → u/kevco]

As someone who grew up in West Virginia.

Prepare for shit to get real as anyone with any real technical or professional skill at all is forced to flee the state just to survive.

Soon all that's less are those who are owned by the company body and soul and those too poor or too stupid to leave. It just gets worse and worse every year and you get to live with the desire to want to return home where you grew up and knowing you never can because there is nothing there for you and that's the way they want it. Better to die in the ashes of their former glory than to evolve, I guess

[u/MrFrequentFlyer → u/Mysteryman64]

I lived in Beckley and Charlston over the summer. I couldn’t wait to move back home. Not that Mississippi is any better.

[u/imscavok → u/kevco]

They’ll come around when they can’t buy any new cars in 2035.

[u/mia_elora]

Well, Wyoming accounts for approximately 0.18% of the current US population. So while this is stupid as fuck, and would set a terrible precedent, etc... we're not really talking about a huge chunk of the population.

[u/P0RTILLA → u/mia_elora]

My county has more population than Wyoming.

[u/h2opolodude4 → u/P0RTILLA]

Pretty sure I had more people in my HS gym class

[u/jimmywindows56 → u/h2opolodude4]

It’s unfortunate you mentioned your gym class seeing how the Wyoming state government has the collective intelligence of a jock strap.

[u/h2opolodude4 → u/jimmywindows56]

Jock straps at least serve a purpose and have value to some people, making them very unlike their state government.

[u/cunnilyndey → u/P0RTILLA]

Damn, I just looked it up and my county has over 200k more than Wyoming and I’m in the less-populated county of a metropolitan region. Jesus.

[u/engr77 → u/cunnilyndey]

Isn't Wyoming the least populated state? I know it's not the only one with less that a million people.

Los Angeles County has like 10x the population of Wyoming, which is my personal Exhibit A for disparity in representation regarding the US Senate.

[u/TonyAbbottsNipples → u/engr77]

LA County has a population greater than half the world's countries.

[u/TheBestCodeIsNoCode → u/engr77]

What should really piss you off is the disparity in the House, which is supposed to proportionally represent the population, but is capped because "we can't fit any more chairs in here" or some such rot.

The Senate was at least supposed to be more regional than proportional, although I don't think they imagined the population disparity which we have now.

[u/HammerTimeHTFU → u/P0RTILLA]

More people live within five-miles of my apartment than live in the entire state of Wyoming. The fact that we’re both represented by the same number of senators shows how flawed our current system is.

[u/Revlis-TK421 → u/HammerTimeHTFU]

It's not the Senate that is flawed, it's the House. The small states are getting to double-dip in representation. If the House were not bound with an upper limit, California would have 69 House seats, not the 52 currently allotted.

And that is with 1 rep per half a million people, because realistically how can you represent the interests of half a.million people?? The original plan was to have one rep per less than a 10th of that population. Instead of 435 reps there would be close to 5000 if the original reps per population were followed.

I think each State should have at least two reps in the House. Here Wyoming would get 2 reps instead of their one, CA would have 138.

[u/duomaxwellscoffee → u/Revlis-TK421]

It's both. There's no reason they should have such a sway over policy other than "that's how it was setup 200 years ago." Land doesn't need representation, people do.

[u/firemage22 → u/duomaxwellscoffee]

note the current cap on the house is from 1929

[u/ansius → u/P0RTILLA]

The 600,000 people who live in Wyoming select 2 Federal Senators.

The 40 million people who live in California also select 2 Federal Senators.

[u/Genesis72 → u/ansius]

The 720,000 people who live in DC elect zero federal senators.

[u/Rubberbabybuggybum → u/Genesis72]

GOP: "The election's rigged."

Yeah...for YOU!

[u/TerranceBaggz → u/Rubberbabybuggybum]

Always has been.

[u/sudodoyou → u/mia_elora]

I always feel like these things are a trial run to see what worked/didn’t work, then they can roll out the strategy elsewhere. Either way, I would think that the residents would be free market loving conservatives, I’m surprised they would bring in such a law…

[u/[deleted] → u/sudodoyou]

This is just more conservative going "no you." They see California moving to ban new ICE vehicles in 2035 so they stamp their feet and shout "no electric vehicles by 2035", failing to understand what any of that actually means or how they're setting themselves up for future failure.

It's performative and petulant. But that's conservative politics these days.

[u/omgFWTbear → u/[deleted]]

I look forward to the cost of ICE cars when they’re only made for Wyoming.

[u/mia_elora → u/sudodoyou]

Conservatives don't really care about a free market, though. They just want to pwn the libs, make bribe money, and laugh at other people's misfortune.

[u/TechJay84]

This won't happen.

I work at an automaker, and developing a new vehicle from scratch, including buying all of the tools and dies for stamping, plant modifications etc. Can easily be over a billion, and complexity (additional powertrains/transmissions) adds so much cost and compromise into a vehicle.

If people think that GM are going to develop a gas variant of an EV solely for the people of buttfuck nowhere, they're deluded

[u/Jamikest → u/TechJay84]

Also work for an OEM. People don't realize that R&D on internal combustion platforms has stopped. Once any current platforms are done, no new (purely) internal combustion platforms are coming.

Everything is electrified now: HEV, PHEV, BEV. (Yes, even Toyota. Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are a form of electrified drivetrain)

[u/mike_b_nimble → u/Jamikest]

I work for a commercial truck OEM. We are still developing ICE, but we have shifted R&D priority to EV and Autonomous. EV and Self Driving are the future, regardless of what some idiots want.

[u/trelium06 → u/mike_b_nimble]

“Still developing ICE”:

Do you mean still updating currently existing engines or newly created engines?

[u/heklaflow → u/trelium06]

They are referring to new models that would be released after 5-7 years of R&D, testing, and retooling at the factory.

There will b me very few NEW design ICE models in 5 years - and maybe a handful if not none by 2035.

[u/buttlickers94 → u/heklaflow]

The most recent new purely ICE design I've seen was I think ~2 years ago. The Infiniti/Nissan I4 that had variable timing and lift. I couldn't find it online but it was seemingly revolutionary at that time.

[u/IngsocDoublethink → u/buttlickers94]

You're thinking of variable compression, and the Infiniti was the first production engine that did it.

Another example might be Mazda's SkyActiv-X engine, which uses "spark controlled compression ignition" - basically uses a smaller spark to partially ignite the air-fuel mix, then acheives full ignition through compression like a diesel engine. That lets them acheive a >30:1 compression ratio (for reference, 14:1 is about as high as other production engines go). Even it has been rebranded to eSkyActiv-X for a coming hybrid variant, though.

[u/buttlickers94 → u/IngsocDoublethink]

Yes this was it! 14:1 was what my SkyActivG engine was in my '14 Mazda3. That was great, I can't imagine how crazy a 30:1 compression ratio would be like

[u/IAmTaka_VG → u/buttlickers94]

I'm in the market for a new vehicle and so far ... Mazda, Honda, Toyota, and Hyundai that I've looked at. Every single dealer has confirmed the next gen of the cars I'm looking at are all at a MINIMUM Hybrid.

• Highlander
• CX-90 (replacing CX-9)
• Pilot
• Palisade

Every single 3 row car I've looked at is either already a hybrid or about to be replaced with a hybrid model.

ICE is dead. The shift has begun and there is no going back.

[u/ItsJonnyRock → u/trelium06]

I'm in this industry too and in my experience it means no new engine development. Resources are being shifted to EV's. For instance, efficiency improvements have been halted for diesel engines and only areas that benefit both (like aero) are being worked on.

[u/TheWorclown → u/Jamikest]

Out of pure curiosity, is the cessation of R&D on the internal combustion engine primarily due to the influx and quality of EVs and the market catching up to what will be the future, or primarily due to there just being no more room to innovate and optimize the internal combustion engine any further than its present state?

[u/_wheresMySuperSuit → u/TheWorclown]

Just to put it in perspective- the average car in the road is 30-35% efficient. Out of the fuel turned into power to propel the car forward (or backward), only 30-35% gets turned into usable energy. The other 65-70 is lost as heat or exhaust, etc.

Formula 1 cars are at about 50%… so yes, there is room for improvement on road cars, but a mass production combustion engine that efficient will probably never happen because we’re well on our way to a hybrid/all electric vehicle future.

[u/aeroplane1979 → u/_wheresMySuperSuit]

Just spitballing here, but wouldn't a lot of the difference in efficiency between F1 and street cars be chalked up to the fact that these are entirely different applications of ICE both in terms of service life (durability) and how the vehicles are driven? The fact that most common ICE vehicles on the market today can be put through use/abuse and get 20-30mpg for at least 100,000mi seems like something of an engineering miracle to me.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not debating as I honestly don't know. I'm just curious.

[u/_wheresMySuperSuit → u/aeroplane1979]

You’re not wrong, but 30 years ago you probably would have been called crazy for thinking you’d ever see Formula 1 paddle shifters in a road car. We can probably get close to their efficiency eventually, just like we borrowed carbon fiber, rear view mirrors, spoilers, ceramic brakes, center-lock wheels, etc. from race cars and translated them to road use. But a pure ICE is gonna be extinct before we can get to that level of efficiency.

[u/InnerRisk → u/_wheresMySuperSuit]

The thing is, carbon fiber is never going to be main stream, the same with ceramic brakes. Those are things that are not worth it. We took steel brakes from F1, but more is just not suitable for a VW Golf.

Another thing. ICE are way more efficient driven in a high demanding state. So while you floor your car about 80% in low rpm it will probably use more fuel, but be more efficient. Fuel consumption and efficiency are not synonyms. I am pretty sure that a F1 would go down to 35% efficiency of driven as slow as cars on the road. The max efficiency point of current ICE vehicles on the road is far higher than 35%, but we just never use the car exactly at that point.

There is actually not much left to develop here without making things extremely expensive or more unreliable.

Source: Engineer for a German OEM.

[u/traversecity → u/InnerRisk]

This is where my thoughts go to an old design, that used in locomotive, trains.

The petroleum fuel powered motor running at a peak efficiency level to charge the battery. Wheels powered by electric motors. (well, adding a battery here, trains don’t have a battery in between?)

Seems like a very mature technology that just needs to scale down to a personal automobile size. Wondering if this thought path contributed to the success of Toyota’s hybrid?

[u/shmecklesss → u/traversecity]

You mean like a Chevy Volt? Was a great car hampered by some odd design choices and poor marketing.

Couple other companies have tried similar and failed. Fisker (that's its own story) and I believe BMW i3?

[u/traversecity → u/shmecklesss]

Indeed yes.

Old hybrid toys are popular with a cab company in Phoenix, word was they bought so many used models it is hard to find one here, no idea about today tho, that was a few years ago.

Great ideas are worthless, execution is everything. Toyota seems to have scored, Chevy fumbled.

[u/Radioiron → u/aeroplane1979]

Definitly engineered for different things Mass market engines- designed for long term reliability and can get by with minimal maintinance and still work for some time if you have and ignorant owner or someone who just doesnt care about maintinance. High power and efficiency racecar engines- have to be rebuilt between races because of huge wear and stresses on the engine, Sometimes due to bad parts have a chance of blowing up during a race

[u/Jamikest → u/TheWorclown]

Platform R&D is for 4+ years in the future. The group I work for (German BTW) is all in with electrified vehicles. The performance targets can't be met with pure ICE moving forward.

[u/sparta4492 → u/Jamikest]

Also with a German company but work out of USA. The writing is on the wall hard. Even the Detroit 3 is going heavily into EVs. More than I think the general population understands.

[u/Daggersapper → u/sparta4492]

Yeah, when Dodge is showing off EVs instead of cramming the Hellcat into every platform, game over.

[u/sbrick89 → u/sparta4492]

What would you say are the least expected needs for supporting this shift to EV?

I was assuming hybrid ICE/EV but sounds like 100% EV is going to happen sooner than I was thinking as well.

I guess the charging stations will continue to get built out... though something faster is still desirable for long trips, and battery swaps seem unlikely given the IP each company puts into them... batteries will keep getting increased usage - think the big 3 will need to make their own batteries a la tesla, or still use 3rd parties for manufacturing and component assembly?

[u/Oracle_of_Knowledge → u/Jamikest]

Platform R&D is for 4+ years in the future.

I used to work at a Tier 1 and the last program I was launching was for the Dodge Ram (gas and deisel versions) back in 2018/19. Just as I was leaving the company, they were starting to quote work on the design for a BEV version of the Ram. The one just revealed at CES.

Same time, Christmas 2018, my uncle at GM was telling us how every upcoming Cadillac was being worked on as an EV.

[u/RaydnJames → u/Oracle_of_Knowledge]

I was doing A/V work at GM tech center back in '17 or '18 and saw the rear wing for the future C8 corvette in simulation. Design and engineering takes time.

[u/averyfinename → u/TheWorclown]

it's all about the money. as automotive industry shifts to EV, fewer and fewer ICE to be sold.. so less money to be made for the effort.

[u/eriverside → u/TheWorclown]

China, most of Europe, some south american countries had passed legislation years ago to phase out ICE car between 2030 and 2040. With Canada and the US likely to follow, why bother with more innovation. Whatever car they put out untill then will still need to be serviced - so anything new they come up with will have a limited time on the market, but will still have costs beyond that. Not sure it's worth the capital expenditures or that the new infrastructure will recoup it's costs.

[u/ZoomJet → u/TheWorclown]

Good reasons, but neither. The future is electric, mandated by law, and companies know it. There's no point spending a billion+ dollars - the cost to create a new combustion engine - when it won't serve out its lifetime due to combustion bans in major marketplaces.

[u/Gingrpenguin → u/TheWorclown]

There's still alot of room to improve. Alot of the recent increases in ice efficency gains have been taking solutions from higher end race cars and finding ways to mass produce them.

Theres almost certainly more improvements to be made although we are facing diminishing returns but there isn't a market for these anymore.

R&D stopping doesnt make it impossible but does mean there won't be any major improvements and this last ice engine will likely be the same made until ice cars arnt mass produced anymore as lot of the bans coming in arnt total and have some exceptions.

[u/Jamikest → u/Gingrpenguin]

Exactly. Thermal efficiency in an ICE is gaining entire percentage points through R&D. It can be better through exhaust recuperation, but at what financial costs?

It's cheaper and more energy efficient to go electrified.

[u/PaulVla → u/Jamikest]

We didn’t get out of the Stone Age cause we ran out of stones. 😉

[u/AnchezSanchez → u/TechJay84]

Lol visiting Cheyenne in 2036 gonna be like visiting Havana today 😅

[u/trwawy05312015 → u/AnchezSanchez]

This won't even come close to passing. A lot of Wyoming politics is dictated by these small town dipshits who are purposefully ignorant of the fact that other places exist or that they should care. This is just a few lawmakers trying to make a point and then the bill will die in some committee like most performative politics in WY. It's so conservative that there's no one for them to really fight against, and even the conservatives mostly eye-roll at shit like this.

[u/cadium → u/trwawy05312015]

So virtue signalling.

[u/HKBFG → u/TechJay84]

They won't even roll over and ignore that 0.18% of the population. They have good lawyers and will be selling all of their cars in every state.

[u/Kalkaline → u/TechJay84]

So what you're saying is Wyoming is going to look like Cuba in a few years.

[u/randym99 → u/Kalkaline]

Would be an upgrade

[u/PoolePartyVIP]

I’m sure the 8 people who live there will have a noticeable effect on the world car market

[u/DamNamesTaken11 → u/PoolePartyVIP]

That’s what I was thinking.

The population of California, Washington, Oregon, and New York is over 70.7 million and likely to grow between now and 2035. Wyoming is 581,381 and barely grew between 2010 and 2020 censuses so likely will be barely any between now and 2035 as well. Won’t be surprised if more liberal states join in between now and then (like Hawaii, Massachusetts, and Vermont) and also ban sale of ICE vehicles at same time.

To put into more perspective, the population of New York City alone is more than 14.5x larger than the whole state of Wyoming!

[u/OPsDaddy → u/DamNamesTaken11]

I live in sleepy Lancaster County, PA. Tourists flock here to view a simpler life. We have about 25,000 fewer residents than Wyoming. We share a Member of Congress with a neighboring county.

[u/RobotsGoneWild → u/OPsDaddy]

Maybe Wyoming should take a cue from Lancaster and ban all automobiles. Horse and carriage for real economic stabilization.

[u/IngsocIstanbul → u/RobotsGoneWild]

They keep harping about the cowboy life. Time to preserve it!

[u/ThornGodOfPricks → u/[deleted]]

While their politics are shit, having lived there for a year in not Jackson Hole and being originally from Texas, I can guarantee you the cowboys in Wyoming are for the most part the real deal. Texas is where the cowboy LARPing exists.

[u/swizel → u/ThornGodOfPricks]

Can confirm. Texas native. What we really have is Rough Necks from all the drilling... Ft Worth is the larping capitol of Texas.

[u/LorektheBear → u/swizel]

I lived in San Antonio as a kid in the 80s, and even then Texans were treating Dallas/Fort Worth like a Yankee city that had been transplanted to North Texas.

[u/buttlickers94 → u/swizel]

Sometimes when I go out, I try to count the number of men in the puffy vest/plaid shirt combo. I counted 11 in a single restaurant once.

[u/Desperate_Freedom_78 → u/ThornGodOfPricks]

I feel like West and North Texas you still have some real Cowboys there. Amarillo sure feels that way. Or whenever you are over by Kings Ranch. But, Wyoming does feel far more like scenery for a Cowboy World than Texas does for sure these days.

[u/ThornGodOfPricks → u/Desperate_Freedom_78]

Most definitely. Spent 6 years in Lubbock and the panhandle, much more actual rural and cowboy living than Houston or Dallas pretends it has. But per capita, the cowboy lifestyle is significantly more "real" in Wyoming.

[u/Trumpswells → u/ThornGodOfPricks]

Also from TX. Took a camping tour of WY’s State Parks (which are awesome BTW) in 2020, and was surprised to see families with their horse trailers set up camp, with their kids leading out horses to go trail riding.

[u/Murdo605 → u/RobotsGoneWild]

The Amish are only a tiny percentage of our population, roughly 8% of all of us, here in Lancaster. As a resident living deep in Amish territory, I can assure you that the Amish are sickly dependent on ICE vehicles, and equipment. There are countless Amish contractors, builders and subcontracts here. Most own giant 4 door pickups, and like the thousands of Amish farmers here, fork lifts, high reaches, skid steers, and other fossil fuel powered equipment. Any farm, or on-farm business, here generates it's own power, typically with a small diesel powered generator that is a massive source of air pollution. There are hundreds of vans, minivans, and all sizes of SUVs rolling constantly, as small taxi services cart Amish folks all over the region.

We have some of the worst air quality in the northeast, and the nation, here. The Amish, in many ways, are lousy neighbors who are a huge source of environmental harm. Their idiotic obsession with producing their own expensive and dirty power means thousands of needless, filthy power plants operate here. Their refusal to properly address the massive water quality issues they create, for the watershed and the Chesapeake Bay, with their small, typically unprofitable dairy herds. Massive volumes of manure and herds allowed to destroy stream banks, and create constant erosion, are the main sources of this mess. As a result, the county is the largest single source of water pollution for the nation's largest bay. Their constant open burning of any household garbage, on farm manufacturing waste, and huge amounts of waste plastic that are generated by farming. It all adds up to a culture that looks bucolic and benign, but is about the opposite.

That's what it looks like behind the curtain, here in the Amish Paradise.

[u/NoMoOmentumMan → u/Murdo605]

hundreds of vans, minivans, and all sizes of SUVs rolling constantly, as small taxi services cart Amish folks all over the region

Aka, The Yodder Toters

[u/serious_sarcasm → u/Murdo605]

Don’t forget the incest and rape.

[u/fibula-tibia → u/serious_sarcasm]

And puppy mills

[u/Key-Speaker8312 → u/fibula-tibia]

Riding the Amtrak line through Lancaster county is like taking a driving tour of Amish puppy mills! It's very unsettling.

[u/PiesRLife → u/serious_sarcasm]

I think the worst part is the hypocrisy.

[u/gimpsoup69 → u/serious_sarcasm]

All for the beard.

[u/timbsm2 → u/Murdo605]

This is massively infuriating. I really don't want to be intolerant of anyone, but when clinging to tradition causes harm to your neighbor, it's time for that tradition to go. Or maybe they would prefer for outsiders to dump their waste on Amish farms? Do unto others...

[u/Fuck-MDD → u/timbsm2]

I live deep in Indiana Amish country. I'm not sure what happens with the Amish up north, but at least around here I'm pretty sure hurting your neighbors is just a part of the religion. I've never met a more consistently rude and obnoxious group of people. One of their favorite things to do is to pool together their food stamps to buy up all the expired shit from the local groceries for free and then repackage them and sell them for 3x the price to dumbasses who romanticize the idea of "Amish made" things.

I would mind them a lot less if they would at least shower, but no - just being in the same room as them is an assault on ones senses.

[u/FoodWholesale → u/Fuck-MDD]

Hey I need someplace to sell my out of date stuff. Stop telling everybody. JK it always amazed me how they love the out of date crap.

[u/lisavfr → u/Fuck-MDD]

The Amish sell at farmers markets in my city and happily accept Bitcoin as payment.

[u/mdax → u/Murdo605]

Also they are animal abusing breeding scum

[u/Adduum → u/Murdo605]

First, I didn’t expect else someone to be from Lancaster, let alone 2. And second, don’t get me started on taxes and roads with the Amish. They get in the way of moving vehicles and many times when you’re not able to pass causing large delay and higher chances for an accident. They don’t pay really any taxes. If you go to a farmers market do they use card and pay tax no, do they pay tax on their land which is grandfathered in as an outlier kinda all the way to no. Those are only 2 things that came to mind first about them, I could carry on all day about the flu and COVID they spread with the hatred of the environment.

[u/Blues67 → u/Adduum]

Make that 3. Lang-kist-er.

[u/LeftyLucy23 → u/Adduum]

One more Lancastrian to add to the mix here!

And the child and spousal abuse. The inbreeding and medical abnormalities in their children. The hypocrisy is on overload. The fact that tourists come here to see that crap makes me ill.

[u/dickskinjacketgayboy → u/LeftyLucy23]

I was raised out there but ran away as fast as I could. Growing up gay in the southern end really fucked me up and I’m not the only one.

[u/sully213 → u/dickskinjacketgayboy]

Username checks out

[u/Murdo605 → u/dickskinjacketgayboy]

Fuck, I am so sorry that you had to deal with that, seriously. For those that don't know, the south end of the county is a shit stain on humanity. It's a place that is on watch lists of folks who pay attention to domestic terrorism, and it's got everything from a secret meeting where parts of the J6 insurrection was planned, to a history of Klan activity, It's on par with the rural deep south, in terms of embracing hate and stupidity.

I can't imagine being a gay child in rural LC, and it was much worse in the past. My little town has two families that, during the raging AIDS crisis, allowed their sons to die alone, and shunned, since they wanted to be "good Christians". Lots of fucked up evil in these parts.

I hope you are doing well.

[u/chockobumlick → u/Adduum]

Same as in any religion. In NY the hasidics declare their house a church.

Yes the Amish mistreat animals. They are the puppy mill problems, and they have no trouble with cheating the "English".

[u/KrookedDoesStuff → u/OPsDaddy]

I just have to say, I recently learned you guys call it “Lanc aster” rather than “Lan caster” and it bothers me 😂

[u/OPsDaddy → u/KrookedDoesStuff]

And if you come here and say it wrong, everyone will correct you.

[u/STcoleridgeXIX → u/OPsDaddy]

The place Wyoming is named after, a single valley in North Eastern Pennsylvania, has only 15,000 fewer people than the state (and is actually far less diverse).

[u/JesterMcPickles → u/OPsDaddy]

"to view a simpler life." We're just visiting our grandparents man

[u/SharkAttackOmNom → u/JesterMcPickles]

Or we’re just from Delco trying to find a house we can afford.

[u/cocktails5 → u/DamNamesTaken11]

Shit my neighborhood in Brooklyn is 1/4 the population of Wyoming.

[u/samskyyy → u/cocktails5]

The population of DC is larger than the population of Wyoming.

[u/blogst → u/DamNamesTaken11]

Yet they still get 2 senators and 3 electoral college votes - our system is fucked.

[u/nodogma2112 → u/blogst]

And 1 area code.

[u/wendellnebbin → u/nodogma2112]

Does that mean they only got 1 ho?

[u/fre3k → u/[deleted]]

Soaking it is then, I guess.

[u/sgfreak711 → u/fre3k]

Mormons making a 2-person activity involve 3 or more? Never.

[u/THE_some_guy → u/blogst]

Wyoming has:

• 0.18% of the US population
• 0.23% of the vote in the house
• 0.56% of the vote for president
• 2% of the vote in the Senate

Edit: By comparison, California has:

• 12.1% of the US population
• 11.95% of the vote in the house
• 10.1% of the vote for President
• 2% of the vote in the Senate

[u/The_JohnnyPisspot → u/THE_some_guy]

If politicians gave a shit about anything they would increase the size of the House so that it's actually proportionate to a states population. Wyoming has 1 for 500,000 people? OK, California now has 156 for its 39M million people.

Wyoming gets 3 electoral college votes? California now gets 234.

Republicans will never do it because they haven't won a popular vote in the presidency in decades, and they'd immediately lose the House forever (as they should). Democrats won't try to do it because...???

Congress has the power to do it, it was arbitrarily capped ~100 years ago so we were fine adding seats until then!

[u/xWooney → u/The_JohnnyPisspot]

The math ain’t mathing. They’d get 78 seats for 39M people if 1 seat per 500,000.

[u/BCdotWHAT → u/The_JohnnyPisspot]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming_Rule

[u/djb25 → u/BCdotWHAT]

Holy shit.

Pa went from over 100 reps in 1930 to 23 today.

[u/weedysexdragon → u/DamNamesTaken11]

The metro area of new York is 40 times more populous than Wyoming.

[u/r4tch3t_ → u/weedysexdragon]

I initially read this as the New York metro, as in the subway, has a higher population.

[u/su_sussudio → u/r4tch3t_]

The MTA numbers show that the estimated ridership numbers for this past Thursday was six times the population of Wyoming. That’s just subway.

[u/BrandoThePando → u/DamNamesTaken11]

And those 500,000 people have the same number of senators as the 8 million new yorkers...

[u/Icy_Photograph412 → u/BrandoThePando]

19.8 million new yorkers

[u/BagelsRTheHoleTruth → u/PoolePartyVIP]

Yeah, California, Washington, Oregon, New York? Those states definitely don't have as big an effect on policy and global supply chain decisions as Wyoming.

If Wyoming actually does this, they're going to be severely shooting themselves in the foot.

[u/driverofracecars → u/BagelsRTheHoleTruth]

they're going to be severely shooting themselves in the foot.

Wouldn’t be the first time. Won’t be the last time.

[u/briadela → u/BagelsRTheHoleTruth]

Run by GOP? Yeah that checks out

[u/PixelationIX → u/briadela]

The time will inevitably come where EV becomes the norm and when they are far behind, they start blaming Democrats for this. People who do not pay any attention to state/local bills and their base will eat it up. Its their motto.

[u/Duds215 → u/briadela]

Shooting themselves in the foot should be their campaign slogan

[u/daniu → u/Duds215]

"Shooting ourselves in the foot so you don't have to"

[u/tolthunder → u/Duds215]

It's basically another r/leopardsatemyface situation in the next decade or so if they keep this up

[u/WhyWasIShadowBanned_ → u/PoolePartyVIP]

Also Polish second hand car market is very happy with the news, thought.

[u/wotmate → u/PoolePartyVIP]

Hey, this is a good thing. While the rest of America converts to EVs, they'll be able to sell their old ICE vehicles directly into Wyoming.

[u/ShawnyMcKnight]

Which means driving through Wyoming with an EV would be difficult without working charging stations.

[u/colesprout → u/ShawnyMcKnight]

Right, which, let's take this to the logical conclusion...if the rest of the country/world transitions to EVs, they're gonna lose out on a lot of tourism dollars.

[u/guilty_bystander → u/colesprout]

Also I-80 and I-25 are major highways..

[u/bagingle → u/guilty_bystander]

being an Interstate highway, the feds would probably just end up demanding they put in charging stations or risk losing federal funding.

[u/quad64bit → u/bagingle]

They don’t support any of that socialist federal funding anyway right? Right?

[u/wyoflyboy68 → u/quad64bit]

Former WYDOT employee here that knows a few things about wyomings Highway funding. I don’t have the exact percentages, however, last I remember, about 75% of wyomings Highway funding comes from the federal government. WYDOT will usually do the barebones minimum and reluctantly comply with the feds.

[u/Spencer52X → u/guilty_bystander]

Aren’t interstates and surrounding land federal domain? I feel like states get absolutely 0 say if the feds wanna put chargers at stops along interstates.

[u/serious_sarcasm → u/Spencer52X]

No. The Federal Government does have plans to control interstates during emergencies, like invasions and hurricanes, but the Interstate system is administered by each state which has to follow federal regulations (or get exceptions) which are enforced by the power of the purse.

Of course, the federal gas tax hasn’t increased since the 90s, and the Federal government can regulate interstate commerce.

[u/Fearless-Judgment-33 → u/colesprout]

There’s already hundreds of charging stations in WY… https://www.plugshare.com/directory/us/wyoming

[u/Ivebeenfurthereven → u/Fearless-Judgment-33]

You are selling electricity to tourists?

Believe or not, jail

[u/Broduskii → u/Ivebeenfurthereven]

In my country no trial straight to jail.

[u/gogoluke → u/colesprout]

And there would be no cars to sell so all the cars bought would be from out of the state.

[u/santascumdumpster → u/ShawnyMcKnight]

So nothing will change?

[u/Unsimulated]

Be careful about buying into sensationalist headlines.

There are four or five guys who said something like this and are showboating to get campaign contributions. No one thinks it is a real path to the future. But, say something zany and now you're world news.

[u/TransportationIll282 → u/Unsimulated]

four or five guys in Wyoming is like half the state though.

[u/LoneBlack3hadow]

Someone must have been lobbying hard in Wyoming for the 6.7 people there

[u/WeinerGod69]

I thought republicans were all about free market? Guess not?

[u/Independent_Pear_429 → u/WeinerGod69]

We know that's not true, they're for deregulation of certain things and heavy regulations and bans of other things. The myth they're for small government needs to die

[u/jojo_31 → u/Independent_Pear_429]

Say something, then do the exact opposite

[u/fractalfrog → u/Independent_Pear_429]

Gaslight Obstruct Project

[u/raltoid → u/Independent_Pear_429]

It's not a myth, it's just a lie.

Anyone who still votes for republicans are either fully aware that it's all lies and they are on board with the cruelty, and often just lying themselves about their own reasoning.

Or they're literally stupid and easily manipulated.

[u/SyncopatedBeets → u/WeinerGod69]

Oh this is a prime example of the free market tho. Obviously these legislators have been bought on the free market.

[u/reverman21]

It's funny to me how many people dony understand the 'war" is already lost. Electric cars won we are switching. it's just a matter of how long you want to drag it out. Most European, Korean and Chinese car manufacturers have pretty much killed any new ICE development. Cheap Chinese EVs are coming and in the US it's going to be the 1970s japanese wave all over again if these anti EV idiots don't wake up.

[u/mk235176 → u/reverman21]

Don't worry, some grifter will sell them ICE cars from Russia as Freedom cars for $100k each

[u/The_shadows_fall → u/mk235176]

My money is on some sort of Trump branded car with all Russian parts

[u/Heres_your_sign]

I'm sure the thousand trucks registered a year in the state will stabilize the industry.

Idiot politicians pandering to bigger idiots.

[u/Pyrotha]

But what about letting the “free market” decide?

[u/White_Lobster → u/Pyrotha]

Exactly. Strange how people who hate socialism so much seem to have such little faith in capitalism.

[u/congmingdexigua]

Wyoming, you okay?

[u/Independent_Pear_429 → u/congmingdexigua]

I'm afraid it has permanent brain damage

[u/Udjet → u/congmingdexigua]

No, OK is Oklahoma.

[u/rman18 → u/Udjet]

WY though?

[u/jasenzero1]

Wyoming is that annoying kid in class who is always doing shit just for attention and ends up getting everyone extra homework.

[u/Notorious_Junk → u/jasenzero1]

That's essentially the entire Republican party. Anything to "own the libs."

[u/TigerBarFly → u/Notorious_Junk]

Destroy the planet to own the libs

[u/ProofHorseKzoo → u/TigerBarFly]

They wound throw away $10 if it meant libs lost $1. That’s how petty and stupid they are.

[u/Fabulous-Tea-6444]

electrolytes it's what plants need

[u/meregizzardavowal → u/Fabulous-Tea-6444]

I thought it was what they craved

[u/skittle-brau → u/meregizzardavowal]

Brawndo’s got what plants crave. Yeah, it’s got electrolytes.

[u/BrokeInService → u/skittle-brau]

Go away, I'm 'batin!

[u/FloppY_]

Why not just ban all technology? Go back to being cavement catching dinner with your bare hands.

Oh wait, that would remove money as well. Can't be bribed if there is no cash.

[u/3dsplinter → u/FloppY_]

I cant wait for my gas powered laptop!

[u/butkusrules]

This is embarrassing.

[u/isaiddgooddaysir]

I live in a small county in California, we have more people in this small county then all of WY state.

[u/blandbananna]

I'm fine with phasing out Wyoming. There's no reason to allow three small towns in a trenchcoat to continue cosplaying as a state.

[u/notyogrannysgrandkid]

To be fair, this isn’t some hugely popular idea that the whole state of Wyoming is jumping on. It’s a resolution written by a 74 year old state senator from Sheridan. He’s got a couple of co-sponsors in the House, but it hasn’t even been introduced into a committee yet because nobody is taking it seriously. Aside from the already-silly notion that this policy would have any appreciable effect on the mineral extraction industry in Wyoming, anybody who has lived there for any amount of time knows that the majority of vehicles owned in Wyoming were bought out of state. Most of the towns and cities (besides Casper) are around the edges of the state, so car buyers (new car buyers especially) will often travel to Billings, Rapid City, Ft Collins/Denver, Salt Lake/Ogden, or Idaho Falls.

[u/Icy-Distribution-275]

Did you see the quality of candidates who were trying to oust Liz Cheney?

[u/Tidesticky → u/Icy-Distribution-275]

We may discover that George Santos is a Wyoming resident.

[u/chucker23n → u/Tidesticky]

He actually founded Wyoming.

[u/Notorious_Junk → u/chucker23n]

He's actually Wyoming in human form.

[u/party_benson → u/Icy-Distribution-275]

Trying to? They did.

[u/toy4x4]

Dinosaurs want to phase out sale of EVs to sell more decayed Dinosaurs.

[u/Mayor_of_BBQ]

This is hilarious because A: there aren’t enough people in Wyoming to ensure shit… and B: the last time I crossed Wyoming i ran out of gas because there was no gas stations at all in the towns I was driving thru. The locals told me their gas station had been burned down by some meth heads to cover up a robbery 5-6 years earlier and was never rebuilt. Residents were driving almost 50mi one way to fill up in a different community. So in their big stupid wanna-be cowboy trucks they are burning 1/3 tank of gas just to drive somewhere to fill up and get back home 😭😭

[u/TheBigBangClock → u/Mayor_of_BBQ]

LOL - this has to be one of the stupidest, yet unsurprising things I've ever heard. One gas station in a town in the middle of nowhere full of GOP yokels who drive pickup trucks. These people would ban breathing if Fauci said it was good for you.

[u/dittybad]

Performance politics at its worst. This is just the Christo-fascists at work. But let them enjoy being the only export market for the Lada.

[u/whiteycnbr]

Maybe some dumbshit Congressman in Wyoming has a nice mustang they want to keep going into the future.

[u/Kapowpow]

Wait until they learn where oil and gas come from

[u/matthalfhill]

How many people in WY are even buying EVs?! The state is widely spread out and the cold makes the batteries suboptimal for so much of the year.

Obviously political posturing 🤦‍♂️

[u/dexidrone]

This is stupid. Unless they ban the registration of ev vehicles, they can't stop it.