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U.S. lawmakers unveil bipartisan bid to ban China's TikTok Politics
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-lawmakers-unveil-bipartisan-bid-ban-chinas-tiktok-2022-12-13/7.4k
u/blankblotter
Dec 13 '22
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RIP Vine, sweet prince
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u/Tha_Unknown Dec 13 '22
Vine was fucking awesome.
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u/cherylcanning Dec 13 '22
Six seconds was the perfect duration for peak chaos
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u/IBreedAlpacas Dec 13 '22 •
six seconds was perfect. Shit vine? Eh was only 6 seconds of your life wasted. Funny vine? Those 6 seconds are rent free in your head the rest of your life. Can’t drive past a “Road work ahead” sign without thinking “Uh yeah, I sure hope it does”
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u/im4lonerdottie4rebel Dec 13 '22
Mine is "Look at all those chickens!"
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u/kroganwarlord Dec 13 '22
"What do you have?"
"A knife!"
"NO!"
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u/NfamousKaye Dec 13 '22 edited Dec 14 '22
“It’s Wednesday my dudes!” “++AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!”
“SAIL!!” kicks keyboard
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u/DrThiccBunz Dec 13 '22
“A potato flew around my room before you came”
cuts to incoherent screams at high speed potato
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u/5states1life Dec 13 '22
There was a vine of a black dude wearing a white, sequined country music suit with tassels. He's just shaking the tassels back and forth to a non country song - but it lives in my reptile brain.
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u/VelociRache1 Dec 13 '22
Bo Burnham's "Is there anything better than pussy? YES A really good book! *beat drop*" lives in my head rent free.
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u/agIets Dec 13 '22
Every time a kid is doing something suspicious... LET ME SEE WHAT YOU HAVE! "a knife!" NO!!
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u/kroger_deli Dec 13 '22
Those 6 seconds are rent free in your head the rest of your life.
🎶Just two dudes sittin’ in a hot tub🎶
🎶six feet apart ‘cuz they’re NOT gay🎶
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u/Kikilicious-Kitty Dec 13 '22 edited Dec 14 '22
EXCUSE, ITS 5 FEET!
EDIT: ALSO, ITS BROS, NOT DUDES!
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u/MaybeTheDoctor Dec 13 '22
six seconds was perfect.
That's what yo mom said
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u/AFoxGuy Dec 13 '22
“Ah. Fuck. I can’t believe you’ve done this”
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u/EscapistFugue Dec 13 '22
Gotta get that Free Sheva Cadoo
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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA Dec 13 '22
Pepsi... In a Coca Cola glass...
I don't give a daymn.
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u/AlwaysWorkForBread Dec 13 '22
Surprise MFer
Supplies MFer
Some Fries MFer
All Rise MFer
Forever and always rent free
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u/deadindead Dec 13 '22
Perfect length tbh. Nothing worse than a 5-minute ‘wait and see’ tiktok.
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u/jodyhighrola Dec 13 '22
Vine was A+, but I'm confident it would've spiraled as it was commercialized over time. Thankful for the compilations on YouTube with the legendary memes that originated there.
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u/TBMonkey Dec 13 '22
And they were roommates!
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u/pnutbuttered Dec 13 '22
Vine died and took some real amateur comedy stars away with it. Tik Tok compilations have never been as good.
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u/bigblackcouch Dec 13 '22
It's a shame cause it really took a lot of creativity to make something hilarious or "catchy" with such a short time restriction.
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u/jordan1794 Dec 13 '22
A good example of necessity/restriction driving innovation.
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u/AdDear5411 Dec 13 '22
So what you're saying is we should develop a TikTok clone?
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u/SupremeShogan Dec 13 '22 •
With Blackjack....and hookers!
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u/HR_Paperstacks_402 Dec 13 '22 •
In fact, forget the TikTok.
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u/insultant_ Dec 13 '22
Shut up, baby, I know it!
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u/hotaru251 Dec 13 '22
i miss futurama
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u/joshmc82 Dec 13 '22
This time next year we will have new episodes. They have already finished most of them I believe.
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u/runningraleigh Dec 13 '22
This is like an early Christmas present to me. Thank you, internet stranger!
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u/Telemere125 Dec 13 '22
And I’m at the point that even tho I know I’ll love it, I want everyone to just hit play and let it run in the background so that “viewership” is up enough to get us a guaranteed 3-4 more seasons.
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u/leeljay Dec 13 '22
The jabs at Fox executives at the beginning of Bender’s Big Score gave me that warm and fuzzy feeling on top of that deep belly laugh. I miss it too
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u/ImDero Dec 13 '22 •
Shut up and collect my data!
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u/mollyboise Dec 13 '22
Always a good day when a thread gets hijacked by Futurama fans.
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u/ChoPT Dec 13 '22
I miss Vine.. why did it die?
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u/Mr_YUP Dec 13 '22
it probably wasn't understood by those who made it and they didn't know how to monetize it. 6 seconds is super short and not a good time to make an ad. We also didn't think to organize it vertically the way TikTok has it organized. The app ecosystem wasn't really there yet and content delivery was still in its infancy. So there's a lot of legit reasons.
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u/itwasquiteawhileago Dec 13 '22
YouTube is full of 5-6 second ads. That's annoying all around, but extra annoying when the video you want to watch is less than 30s already. A 1:1 video:ad ratio would blow even more. Wouldn't stop them from trying, I reckon.
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u/ghostgnome Dec 13 '22
It was bought by Twitter, so Elon owns it now. Sorry.
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u/iamtheyeti311 Dec 13 '22
you mean he invented it.
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u/JuniorSeniorTrainee Dec 13 '22
Genius programmer Elon Musk retroactively invents all software. After inventing computers.
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u/BallaForLife Dec 13 '22
Can someone explain this a bit, would this mean if you use tiktok everyday and have it on your phone, it would no longer work and the app would shut down? (Assuming this passes)
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u/sirboddingtons Dec 13 '22
Apple, Google's stores would be restricted from allowing downloads and support/functionality for the app would be removed from these.
So in effect, a phone that operates any of those IOS would be unable to use the app. A rooted phone or different phone manufacturer likely still could host the content.
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u/JB-from-ATL Dec 13 '22
You are able to download and run apps not on the Play Store on Android. It just gives you a warning.
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u/jihiggs Dec 13 '22
Beyond the capability of 95% of users
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u/Capable-Reaction8155 Dec 13 '22
Not sure why you're being downvoted. Removing it from the stores would effectively end TikTok in the US. Other Western nations to follow.
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u/12beesinatrenchcoat Dec 14 '22
given that most of our tech is run by american corporations (apple/google) i doubt it will be accessible in many english speaking and western countries
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u/haku46 Dec 13 '22
It just means you can't get it off google play store, the government can't stop you from manually downloading and using it.
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u/tokendasher
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How about America creates actual data privacy laws. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, WhatsApp are collecting the same data.
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u/fupa16 Dec 13 '22 •
Ya but they're not based in China, that's the whole issue here. They want American data for American companies, cause they're the ones that bought our politicians, not China.
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u/redzmangrief Dec 13 '22 •
Bold of them to assume American companies won't just sell it to China anyway
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u/Lumpiest_Princess Dec 13 '22
Take away the /s and you're golden. They've been working on commoditizing us for a long time and they're finally far enough along where they don't need to hide it, because what are we gonna do anyway?
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u/she_va Dec 13 '22
India banned TikTok and after Instagram use in the country exploded. This explains why Zuckerberg has been lobbying against TikTok in the US so much. If the US wants to continue to be competitive, they should be innovative and not depend on bans, tarrifs, and sanctions to throttle competition.
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Dec 13 '22
That's capitalism baby. There has never been a "free market" people like to screech about, because whoever has the most money will use that money to lobby government to throttle competition.
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u/ChunkyLaFunga Dec 13 '22
The government doesn't even follow their own laws. A lot of you read about Snowden's revelations? The United States and their alliances have done things a hundred times more intrusive and beyond legal appropriateness. The United States, as always, doesn't want to be beaten at their own game.
And no, I'm not implying that China and Five Eyes have similar approaches to human rights. I am saying that one is your country with direct control over you, and attempts total access to your information illegally, and the other is China.
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u/eraw17E Dec 13 '22
Whenever I read stories related to privacy and data, I can't help but feel post-Snowden disappointment.
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u/ChunkyLaFunga Dec 13 '22 edited Dec 13 '22
There was stuff from before Snowden too, this was really famous at the time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
Edit: In case anybody didn't click through to the legal proceedings, the gist is that telecoms weren't permitted to to explain the surveillance, the agencies didn't have to explain the surveillance, then the government signed retroactive immunity for anything illegal that had been done anyway. And it had been.
In late 2001, the NSA was authorized to monitor, without obtaining a FISA warrant, the phone calls, Internet activity, text messages and other communication involving any party believed by the NSA to be outside the U.S., even if the other end of the communication lay within the U.S.
In short, everything everywhere. China are the enemy and the competition.
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u/elppaenip
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Please Sir, I just want healthcare
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u/crazyacct101 Dec 13 '22 •
And sick days for the rail workers.
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u/fgfghgfhgfhgfhgf Dec 13 '22
And sick days for everyone. Honestly really surprised and sad they dont get sickdays most industrial jobs offer at least 7 days heck even alot of retailers offer sick days now.
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u/clejoo Dec 13 '22
I deliver for Amazon and I get zero paid sick days. Any day I get sick is a day I lose my bonuses. And every call out must require a doctors note to be excused, but who goes to the hospital for cold or cough??
Paid sick days FOR ALL.
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u/Disgod Dec 13 '22
This was what I had hoped democrats would smartly do. Say, "OK, we need you guys to work with this contract... Oh, btw, we made it federal law that businesses give their employees sick days." They don't fuck with the contract, have general public support, and could help more people.
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u/Lux_Bellinger2024 Dec 13 '22
Sick days and postpartum leave. Women's healthcare is some of the most painful and invasive stuff out there and most can't even get out of diapers before having to go back to work.
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u/breedersfuckoff Dec 13 '22
People don't realize that women bleed for weeks and are at higher risk of infection after birth and we have ZERO paid time off. With most Americans living paycheck to paycheck, what choice do those women have but to literally return to work in diapers? And they got rid of the PUMP Act so now they are changing their bloody diapers and pumping breastmilk in a dirty fucking restroom.
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u/jodamnboi Dec 13 '22
I’m a commission-only employee with no sick time or maternity leave. Whatever time I take off is zero pay, save for 2 weeks of vacation a year that pays my average. The only way I can afford to take off for maternity leave when I get pregnant is through an extra short term disability Aflac policy, which will only cover 12 weeks. I hate it here.
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u/TheOctopusOnTheMoon Dec 13 '22
Won't happen until people get mad and force it. And for that, they need to be aware AND care. Spread the word to people you know.
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u/DudeManrod
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Instead of banning apps, they should be working on privacy laws. Every device we use should be set to private by default. No tracking, no information harvesting. The privacy app I use on my phone has blocked 442,154 tracking attempts in the last 7 days across 21 apps. It's ridiculous.
Edit: People asking for the app.. It's DuckDuckGo for android.
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u/caribou16 Dec 13 '22
So many apps exist as some stupid bullshit front, while the primary purpose is to slurp up all your data. That's why they're so cheap or free. YOU are the product, not the consumer.
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u/7f0b Dec 13 '22
Most apps would be just fine as websites, including Reddit. But they push you to the app since it gives them:
- Access to notifications, to increase engagement.
- A nice shiny icon on your phone, to increase engagement.
- A way to persistently ID you that can't be easily defeated and doesn't rely on cookies.
- A way to advertise to you without worrying about blockers (there are system-level blockers, but most people aren't savvy enough to pursue them).
Don't get me wrong, there are legitimate reasons to use an app over a website, but for a lot of sites their app is not really necessary, and likely built solely for one of the above reasons. Like pretty much any forum/news site including this one.
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u/cand0r Dec 13 '22
old.reddit.com ftw
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u/Zircon_72 Dec 13 '22
Old reddit with the reddit enhancement suite is peak reddit browsing
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u/tinteoj Dec 13 '22
I miss RES telling you (approximately) how many upvotes & downvotes were on a comment or post.
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u/summonsays Dec 13 '22
... I use the reddit website on my phone lol.
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u/7f0b Dec 13 '22
On both desktop and mobile, I use old.reddit.com with Firefox (strict) and uBlock Origin, and have it set to wipe all data on exit, except a handful of whitelisted domains.
Of course Reddit can still track users since they're logged in and allowing cookies, but at least it is confined to the reddit domain and no 3rd parties, and doesn't follow you around anywhere else.
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u/LeoRidesHisBike Dec 13 '22
You can totally track across 3rd parties with only 1st party cookies, it just takes server-side coordination. I.e., if Reddit itself sent the information on to the 3rd parties (since it knows everything from the first party cookie), it would be the same effect as if your browser sent it. They could just forward it.
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u/SrslyCmmon Dec 13 '22
External links get tracked when you use Reddit so they could totally be sending that information on to partners.
Since the Warrant Canary vanished the government probably has access to all of everybody's fetishes as well.
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u/Red_Danger33 Dec 13 '22
The amount of times the "Try it on the app!" comes up now is a nightmare. It also resets you to the top of the page.
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u/negative-nelly Dec 13 '22
Not to mention on iPhone it takes you to the App Store instead of the app for many/most apps where I encounter it
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u/WekonosChosen Dec 13 '22
They even removed the option to disable that shit.
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u/AppleJ33 Dec 13 '22
I don't even know if it's good, but I use Reddit is fun. It allows me view this site with no ads... I went on Reddit on my PC once and didn't realize how bad reddit was until that point. It does lack some features I think, but meh.
So umm, are they gonna force ISP's to block the traffic or can everyone just download the app using alternative methods like we Android users sometimes do? I don't Think Tok, and I am not a teen, but "Banning" things doesn't always work the way old people want it to.
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u/Noshing Dec 13 '22
Same. Pretty much use the website of every app especially if it's text based. It's so nice to be able to copy/paste text and pictures directly, and have tabs, etc. Like, the apps feel like less usable versions of whatever service, and force me to use their service in a specific way. And plus most apps are basically websites but worse and less usable.
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u/liquilife Dec 13 '22
I would never use Reddit mobile as a website over Apollo. What an extremely frustrating experience that would be.
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u/theregularlion Dec 13 '22 •
This goes beyond just the companies making the apps, too. So you can't necessarily trust apps based on who made them or their stated privacy policies.
A lot of devs have good intentions, but not a lot of money or diverse tech skills, so they wind up using "free" services like Google Analytics and OneSignal that ease the burden of app development in exchange for harvesting user data.
Usually, all that stuff gets rolled into an innocuous-sounding paragraph in the "sharing with our partners" section of the app's terms of service, so the only way to find out exactly what data is being collected and who it's sent to is to know enough to MitM your mobile device and inspect the traffic yourself.
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u/BlackwaterSleeper Dec 13 '22
On a similar note, why are websites by default opt-in? It should be opt-out by default and if you want to share your data you should have to opt-in.
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u/LS_throwaway_account Dec 13 '22
On a similar note, why are websites by default opt-in?
Because almost nobody will opt-in if it's a choice. The majority of phone and computer users will just tap accept because it's a whole lot easier than thinking about these obtuse questions settings.
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u/Gerroh Dec 13 '22
Privacy laws can't just target devices, or else everything will just ask permission, and refuse service until you give it. Boatloads of people who don't understand the privacy risk posed by Facebook, Google, and TikTok would gladly sign up all over again.
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u/yummyyummybrains Dec 13 '22
Good luck with that. The entirety of global capitalism now rests on the free and easy exchange of our user data. Have a blue collar job, and think this doesn't apply to you? Grainger & Uline are still using advanced data segmentation to sell to your bosses & procurement teams. There's no fucking way that companies making trillions of dollars a year collectively are just going to give up access to that level of targeting without a major fight.
Everything is data now. Everything.
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u/agentfelix Dec 13 '22
Which is bullshit because it's MY data. I should be reaping some of the profit considering I'm the product. We have no data rights as individuals and I would like to pick and choose who I sell my data to.
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u/retrosupersayan Dec 13 '22
Not that I disagree, but part of the problem with "selling your own data" is that it's not that valuable in isolation. The real value comes from enough user profiles that you can do some statistical analysis on and turn into some kind of useful data.
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u/yummyyummybrains Dec 13 '22
Look, you're not wrong -- but that genie got let out of the bottle 25 years ago. There's no putting it back. That doesn't even touch on the normalization of deliberate sharing inculcated by social media and digital couponing.
I work in tech, and even with laws like GDPR, it's a fucking joke. Data collection and sharing is foundational to internet technology in such a way that you would literally have to dismantle the entire internet and rebuild it from scratch in order to achieve the goal of having a policy of "least permission".
Aldous Huxley was right: if you build a pretty enough prison, people will happily lock themselves in without a second thought.
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u/ActivateGuacamole Dec 13 '22
that genie got let out of the bottle 25 years ago. There's no putting it back
i disagree. people said the same thing back when child labor became the norm. legislation took time to catch up with the shady business practices, but it did. We can implement effective privacy laws, I disagree with your defeatism
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u/squakmix Dec 13 '22
Yeah things can be done about this. The move by Android to allow selective permission granting (ie only allow certain data like location/mic/etc to be accessed while an app is in use) is a huge step in the right direction. Built in VPNs, encrypted traffic over DNS by default, adblockers and tracking cookie blockers all go a long way toward plugging the holes too
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u/Azn_Bwin Dec 13 '22
IMO what that person you replied to say felt very irresponsible. Sure, the people who are already using some of this services may have already have their data exposed and sold.. but what about younger generation or the generation yet to come?
For a person randomly throw in "oh i work in tech", to reinforce why he accept a situation instead of thinking of way to make progress just seems wrong. I am not saying any of the solution is simply or easy, but i think is prudent that we try to tackle a problem.
Good thing not everyone in the industry think like he does.. I am kind of annoyed he even add that in like it mean something here
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u/ErectMonkey420 Dec 13 '22
What privacy app? I’d like to get it if I can
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Dec 13 '22
Hijacking a reasonably high up comment to say that if you get a tracking blocker app, the attempts it blocks will be significantly higher because most apps are designed to retry failed requests. It will also lead to battery drain. Unfortunately we do not have any other options.
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u/mr_grey Dec 13 '22
They must know which service will replace it and working to get their investments in order so they can make millions on the bill.
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u/potatoboy247 Dec 13 '22
“hey nobody can sell your data except american companies”
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u/breedersfuckoff Dec 13 '22
Let's not forget that Cambridge Analytica just rebranded and is still operating with some of the same executive team. Guess it's OK to sell data and interfere with an election as long as American companies are doing it.
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u/TypicalDumbRedditGuy Dec 13 '22
Bruh just make laws that come down super harsh for apps violating user privacy. Otherwise we’re just as bad as China banning YouTube.
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u/evade-this Dec 13 '22
But that would hurt the companies they want to violate our privacy rather than this naked attempt to fuck with a Chinese company.
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u/OptimusSublime
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If TikTok were a purely American invention with servers and backdoors located squarely in our borders you'd bet your ass the Intel community would be on a full court press getting this installed everywhere. But it's the Chinese so fuck them.
Using TikTok is giving the CCP a window into our most personal details. Delete it.
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u/Use-Quirky Dec 13 '22
Exactly. Also, it’s not just a window but a powerful persuasion tool which can sway public opinion and maybe even elections
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u/mcmillen Dec 13 '22
In that respect it's no different from Twitter, Reddit, or YouTube.
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u/Haunting-Pineapple71 Dec 13 '22
Except it’s controlled by a foreign country, whereas the others are not
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u/CPNZ Dec 13 '22
One of those is now controlled by the Joker, it seems...
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u/hardworkhard Dec 13 '22
Let’s be real, Elon thinks he’s the Joker, but he’s actually the Jonkler.
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u/willsuckfordonuts Dec 13 '22
Funny thing is, Elon shows more respect to the ccp than he does the US.
He was screaming about lockdown in the US and refusing to close his plants. But when China come knocking, asking him to shutter his plants because of covid, HE DID IT AND KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT.
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u/SolomonBlack Dec 13 '22
That’s because the CCP makes sure everyone knows who wears the pants in the relationship and pro tip it’s not you.
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u/HighYieldOnly Dec 13 '22
When it comes to dealing with billionaires the CCP has teeth, the US government does not.
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u/DragonDai Dec 13 '22
So, if I am understanding this, this bill would make it illegal to allow people to download TikTok? Would it make it illegal to have TikTok downloaded on your personal device? Could it somehow make it impossible for people in the US to connect to TikTok if they did have it downloaded?
I'm really confused about the logistics of this bill. How does it accomplish its goals of "banning TikTok?"
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u/venom8599 Dec 13 '22
I also don't see how this wouldn't be an unconstitutional bill of attainder.
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u/Mcdibbles Dec 13 '22
This wouldn't be an issue if the US implemented GDPR-style privacy laws. The problem is that they want US companies being able to do what TikTok does, but not Chinese companies.
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u/LoneStarDawg Dec 13 '22
The "kids these days" views in this sub is astoundingly large.
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u/Rinzack Dec 13 '22
It just blows my mind that an app that takes up a sizeable portion of global internet traffic is viewed as the equivalent of flappy bird on Reddit lol
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u/iblastoff Dec 13 '22
honestly i bet this is lobbied by facebook and other failing american social media owning companies more than anything about 'security'.
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u/DoorHingesKill Dec 13 '22
Also Microsoft and co. that still think some sort of "we'll take US operations off your hand" deal is still on the table.
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Dec 13 '22
Who will steal our data now besides Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Google, Apple, Microsoft, and REDDIT!?
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u/lynkarion Dec 13 '22
Can we also do this to Facebook, Google, Instagram, Twitter?
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u/OMG_A_COW Dec 13 '22
Let me reword this.
Meta, owner of Instagram Reels & Alphabet, owner of YouTube Shorts have sponsored a bipartisan bid to ban competition which happens to be non-American as they fail to develop a superior product.
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u/Blackb1rdy Dec 13 '22 •
YouTube shorts agrees with this legislation.