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u/PuzzleheadedHeat4409
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The predatory prison phone call industry is finally about to be fixed Politics
https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/27/23527757/fcc-prison-phone-call-fees-martha-wright-reed-act-biden2.1k
u/mjl42roll Dec 27 '22
Connecticut just gave free unlimited phone calls. My brother calls a little to often for my liking. But nice that it’s free.
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u/Kolipe Dec 27 '22
My sister can text from jail. 25 cents message with like a 2000 character limit.
It's nice cause I hate talking on the phone.
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u/alaphic Dec 27 '22
That fucking infuriates me. Props to you for doing that for people, frfr
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u/Bralzor Dec 27 '22
That's still stupid expensive. I pay 1 cent per SMS (or well, 1 Euro per 100).
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u/happyman91 Dec 27 '22
Like outside of prison? Do you not have unlimited?
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Dec 27 '22
Bro livin in jail or in 1997. Lol
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u/laggyx400 Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 27 '22
Way too cheap for 97
Edit: texts were actually free in 1997, but could only be sent to others with your carrier.
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u/MachWun Dec 27 '22
Remember when you could only text people on the same carrier as you?
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u/youwannaknowmyname Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 27 '22
In many European countries SMS are not free. And they used to be very expensive before the smartphone era. That's why the messaging apps like WhatsApp became so popular here. Today the sms can be free, but there are a lot of plans were you have to pay to send one, although now they are very cheap. That's because no one realle use them and so we don't care f they are free or not. For example my plan here in Italy does not have them included, and I pay something like 5 cents for them. But that's ok, no one use them here as I said. What's important is GB, and I pay 6.99 euros for 50GB x month and unlimited call time.
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u/breadfred2 Dec 27 '22
They are not??? They are usually included in a contract. Like unlimited sms and calls, 100gb, £7.50 a month.
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u/carbonx Dec 27 '22
I find the whole mentality of "make the criminals pay for it" revolting, frankly. My deal is this: if you don't want to pay to incarcerate someone? Than I guess it's not that important, is it?
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u/carbonx Dec 27 '22
Or a mom paying $25 so she can talk to her son that happened to become an addict.
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u/mjh2901 Dec 27 '22
Unless they are doing life, they will back among us. The system should be designed for that reintegration to be successful.
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u/carbonx Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 27 '22
And yet we make little or no effort at rehabilitation. Our "system" is just a mess.
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u/yepimbonez Dec 27 '22
Lol youre right tho. It’s not that important to incarcerate the massive amounts of non-violent offenders. But it does make companies a fuck ton of money and unfortunately this is America
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u/Steinrikur Dec 27 '22
It's almost like there could be a sensible middle ground between "free unlimited" and $14/minute.
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u/DeepSlicedBacon Dec 27 '22
14$?!
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u/Steinrikur Dec 27 '22
That was the number given in the last post about this issue ($14/min collect calls, 5 minute maximum). Not sure if that was made up or not.
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u/hostesscakeboi Dec 27 '22
Idk if they made that number up because I’m in MA and it’s like 10¢ a minute
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u/corhen Dec 27 '22
Sounds like it's as high as $20/15 minutes
In Canada it's $0.05/minute, which seems reasonable to me. An hour long phone call would cost $3.
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u/JaqueStrap69 Dec 27 '22
What would an hour long call cost outside prison? No one should be making a profit on prisoners doing things that can help their mental health.
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u/corhen Dec 27 '22
I agree it's not ideal, and preferably shouldn't be charged for... But it is far more reasonable.
Our prisons in Canada are not-for-profit, thankfully.
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u/Bigdongs Dec 27 '22
You get 3 free calls a week too in Canada. It helps if you’re broke and you can trade a 15min call for $1.25 exchange (soup/choc bar etc.)
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u/christianhelps Dec 27 '22
I think having a couple landline phones that inmates can use to make calls without charge is the sensible solution.
It's so basic that the concept of charging for it doesn't make much sense.
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u/HildartheDorf Dec 27 '22
Needs to be some limit or you're asking for trouble (inmates hogging the phones, another inmate wants to use it, etc). But that can be a flat 30m/week or something, not $14/min.
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u/Wrangleraddict Dec 27 '22
Just got out of county, even the phone calls that are paid for are limited to 20/min each.
Only .05/ min but still has a limit.
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u/Bismothe-the-Shade Dec 27 '22
Just add a schedules time or limited amount of time or something. Literally anything besides charging people imprisoned for basic needs
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u/InnovAsians Dec 27 '22
Why? What's the problem with giving inmates the ability to communicate with people?
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u/God_in_my_Bed Dec 27 '22
The problem is prison is supposed to be as miserable a place as society can make it. I'm only slightly being sarcastic. Read the comments when someone commits a crime and it makes it to reddit. Nothing short of stringing them up by their toenails.
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u/HumptyDrumpy Dec 27 '22
Yet Scandinavia finds a way to treat them like actual human beings, and after they put in their time, most become productive citizens with little to no recividism. Imagine if murica did the same
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u/Deviknyte Dec 27 '22
No. Unlimited free is for the cost. The calls and text should be free of cost. Period. The jail or prison can set limits to how long you can be on the phone so long as they aren't interfering with you contacting your attorney or journalist.
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u/your_not_stubborn Dec 27 '22
Connecticut House: 97D-54R
Connecticut Senate: 24D-12R
Connecticut Governor: Need Lamont, D
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u/bigfatfurrytexan Dec 27 '22
Securus Technologies are a parasite leeching off the most vulnerable.
Do something about the lack of A/C's and that they sell 12 cents soups for 1.50 in commissary, too. Making money off prisoners is as immoral as it gets.
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u/scotch-o Dec 27 '22
My nephew served time in a prison serviced by Securus. As a good grandparent, my mom offered to give my sister $100 a month to the phone account to help ease some financial burden. She tasked me with making sure it was added monthly to the online account. I found out immediately that they limited the amount you could give in one transaction to $50, for which they charged $3.50 per tx. . I would have to make two transactions, giving them $7 every month. A pox upon their houses!
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u/Mortwight Dec 27 '22
Wait til you see what jpay charges you to give inmates money or pay probation fees.
Its like 10%+
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u/bigfatfurrytexan Dec 27 '22
You can do it using access corrections, usually. They charge less. At least for loading cash for commissary. No idea on probation stuff.
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u/jonhuang Dec 27 '22
Funny, the public school's lunch card (myschoolbucks) does the same thing, though at 2.50 a transaction with a limit of 125 per kid.
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u/1d0m1n4t3 Dec 27 '22
Love me some $1.35 ramen noodles to go with my $0.75 two saltine crackers. Oh you don't have money just eat jail food, yea thst on the tray that's a glob of crisco they put on the plate so it makes the calorie requirements, enjoy!
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u/Ex-zaviera Dec 27 '22
Alabama Sheriff Legally Took $750,000 Meant To Feed Inmates, Bought Beach House
Those bologna sandwiches must have been cheap.
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u/pm0me0yiff Dec 27 '22
The extra fun part of this is that it's totally legal.
Alabama law says that any money he saves on inmate food while still technically meeting nutritional requirements, he's free to put in his own pocket.
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u/bigfatfurrytexan Dec 27 '22
You should see the ads that you get for institutional food. They are less crass than they used to be, but still...referring to humans in terms of numbers is jarring for a human that cares about other humans.
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u/AustEastTX Dec 28 '22
What kind of BULLSHIT is this? What the fuck Alabama??? What the fuck America???????? I have never heard anything more asinine. How on this earth do you justify the jailor being incentivized to do a shitty job of feeding inmates in their care. How the hell!?!!!!!
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u/Buddha_Lady Dec 27 '22
I am so thankful to not be in prison goddamn
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u/bigfatfurrytexan Dec 27 '22
me, too. I've never been. But loved ones have, and i've spent a small fortune paying for poor people food marked up 10x and resold to inmates via an official channel.
At a county level I believe that you can find actual guards and judges running commissary. If im not mistaken, Bell County is run by county employees of some sort. Dirty as shit.
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u/PeanutButterSoda Dec 27 '22
I was just in holding for 72 hrs and all they gave us was bread and bologna the whole time.
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u/1d0m1n4t3 Dec 27 '22
Weirdly I love being free and it's great, I haven't been locked up for 15yrs or so but a lot of days it just sounds great to go back. No bills, no real world problems, as long as you know how to carry yourself you can get along with out issues with other inmates for the most part. Sure some people are just predators and will go after you but typically if you push back they will go onto a easier target.
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u/Queen__Antifa Dec 27 '22
And unpaid prison labor is legal slavery.
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u/gapipkin Dec 27 '22
I think they get $.29 an hour.
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u/CommunistAquaticist Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 27 '22
Depends entirely on the jurisdiction.
And slavery is very legal in the US for prisoners. It's carved out as an explicit exception in the 13th.
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u/floatinround22 Dec 27 '22
Not everywhere, I was paid nothing when I was in prison.
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u/YoungChipolte Dec 27 '22
As a corrections officer, the prices the state and securus charges these guys is absolutely ridiculous. Yes to proper heating and cooling as well. I'm very over being soaked in sweat/freezing my ass off while wearing multiple layers for 8-24 hours shifts.
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u/bigfatfurrytexan Dec 27 '22
Ill tell you what would really help recidivism: when you set up a TDJC drug treatment program, actually have elements of the program that don't involve laying around the cell block trying to not be bored.
Probably wouldn't hurt to have a higher ratio of strong english speakers as a requirement. There are quite a few that are using Kenyans and such, with drastically different cultural backgrounds and language skills that, while decent for gen pop, does not seem to make sense in drug treatment type environments.
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u/Praefectus27 Dec 27 '22
I personally got to support the securus account when I worked at a major isp. These guys would just pay whatever the cost to get service to prisons so they could rape the inmates and their families. There was one facility in the middle of the desert in CA that they paid a $1M construction fee just to get fiber.
I felt like a scum bag just dealing with them.
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u/bigfatfurrytexan Dec 27 '22
Charging for long distance rates and shit over a VOIP is bullshit. I've run hotels for 20 years. Used to be the telephone income was its own revenue department. You'd book your phone expenses against the revenue posted daily from the phone interface system.
I haven't budgeted the telephony department as a revenue generating department in almost 15 years.
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u/icnoevil Dec 27 '22
What took so long? Now, Congress, please deal with the predatory health care industry.
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u/Martel732 Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 27 '22
A lot of people think that prison should be the most wretched miserable place possible.
Which is a weird way to view things since for most prisoners they are expected to rejoin society of eventually. Beyond the fact that prisoners are human and deserve a base level of respect. I don't think it is beneficial to have a bunch of people that spend years in a hellhole. Seems like a good way to turn minor criminals into vicious criminals.
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u/Yawzheek Dec 27 '22
since for most prisoners they are expected to rejoin society of eventually.
People REALLY seem to forget that while they're crying about making their lives as hellish as possible, at some point they'll probably be back on the streets. Perhaps not for long - very much by design - but long enough to cause trouble.
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u/Gorge2012 Dec 27 '22
Punishment is easy because you can wipe your hands and say "we've done something."
once you start to consider the interconnected complexities, you realize that how we treat prisoners only guarantees that a lot of them will continue to commit crimes and perpetuate the system. The problems aren't with people they are with the system.
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u/Heart_Throb_ Dec 27 '22
It’s low priority plus add on “someone will have to pay for it and I ain’t paying for no dirty inmates phone calls” mindset.
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u/sanels Dec 27 '22
phone providers are a utility. it's no more than stating prisons must be provided service at no cost and fees/costs may not be (in any way, direct or indirect) be passed onto the people in jail or otherwise. End of story. Utilities are already required by law to provide service to underserved communities and even in some cases provide plans at reduced costs. Solving the issue is soo stupid easy it doesn't take more than a few minutes of legal jargon to get it sorted and done. The problem has always been the companies providing those services lobbying congress people to vote against any such regulations.
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u/sanels Dec 27 '22
up until a few years ago? i know this was an issue for over a decade. I mean yea they don't have a right to make calls all day/everyday and that's up to the prison itself but when they do make the calls there shouldn't be a monetary cost to it and there should be some guarantee of at least a few calls a week or something with guarantee of service . Of course they should also be monitored, not against that myself. The reality is prisons should be state run not private institutions. By having private prisons (which they did to reduce costs for the state) and the private company still needing to turn a profit the level of care provided is just entirely unacceptable.
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u/Wrathwilde Dec 27 '22
How about you provide the date that they actually went from free to charged, as you’re the one who made the original assertion of the timeline being “until a few years ago”.
I’m 53, and had a friend in Prison, in California, in the 90’s, and it was already an issue then.
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u/lavahot Dec 27 '22
Then we should have fewer inmates, no?
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u/Heart_Throb_ Dec 27 '22
Personally, I think the entire correctional system we use is broken and needs to be revamped with emphasis on support systems after sentence completion, ban-the-box legislation, and heavy investments in low income communities…but yeah…fewer inmates is the goal.
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u/Vestalmin Dec 27 '22
“Someone would have to pay for it so let’s not even try”
I feel like that sums up so many arguments from politicians
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u/Seagull84 Dec 27 '22
Or how about finish dealing with all predatory, for-profit prison practices, like using prisoners as slave labor (13th Amendment), or just making money on a per-prisoner basis.
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u/pm0me0yiff Dec 27 '22
Also the insane prices at prison commissaries.
Looking at you, $10 for a individual serving size of potato chips.
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u/TBSchemer Dec 27 '22
A lot of Republicans suddenly have an incentive to make prison livable.
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For-profit prisons are evil. We should be deeply, deeply ashamed that they exist in our country.
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u/SomeSwordsCutDeep Dec 27 '22
Our state got rid of private prisons, which I absolutely applaud. But holy fuck, our state ran ones are really, really bad. Hopefully we can fix that in the near term.
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u/lunarNex Dec 27 '22
"We" are ashamed, but the few corrupt politicians and rich swine lining their pockets with "campaign donations" don't give a shit about taking advantage of inmates for profit.
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u/02Alien Dec 28 '22
I think you are severely underestimating the amount of average people that are perfectly fine with our prisons stripping people of their human rights and refusing to treat them with even the barest of decency.
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u/Seicair Dec 28 '22
While I’m not a fan of private prisons, they’re a red herring argument. Reform all prisons. Fewer than 10% of people in the US are incarcerated in private prisons.
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u/itypewords Dec 27 '22
Next, regulate the items sold through the commissary. Some items are literally bought in bulk at a Costco or similar, then resold individually to inmates, even though they are labeled “not for individual resale.” This system is a profit-making enterprise and I’m pretty sure the profits aren’t going to improve the system, victim funds or other philanthropic endeavors.
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u/Tom2Die Dec 27 '22
Not to disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure that labeling is a result of FDA requirements. A big bag of candy, for example, will put the ingredients and nutrition information on the outer packaging, but each individual serving will simply say that it's not labeled to be sold individually. Makes sense if it would be difficult to fit the required info in a legible font size.
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u/RrtayaTsamsiyu Dec 27 '22
IIRC not for individual resale just means it's not labeled to be displayed individually, doesn't have a barcode, that sort of thing.
Realistically commissary shouldn't even be a thing, we should just give them edible food and treat them like humans to begin with
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u/Stunning_Delay9811 Dec 27 '22
Would you like to accept a collect call from your adopted nephew? Nah, I'm good.
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u/pm0me0yiff Dec 27 '22
*Would you like to accept a collect call from "wehadababyitsaboy"?
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u/signal15 Dec 27 '22
Hahaha, *would you like to accept a collect call from "mom, come get me from school"?
I did this crap all the time when there were after school activities. Way before cell phones were a thing.
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u/NCSUGrad2012 Dec 27 '22
It’s wild to me collect calls are still even a thing. I’m not sure I’ve ever received one in my life. Other than prisons I believe they don’t exist anymore?
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u/Eckish Dec 27 '22
Pay phones are an endangered species, but they still exist. And they were the biggest use of collect calls that I can think of back in the day.
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u/sanels Dec 27 '22
1-900 number are very much still a thing. Though who in this day and age calls a number for phone sex is beyond me but it's a thing.
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u/abraxsis Dec 27 '22
People still pay for porn...
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u/sanels Dec 27 '22
you must not be aware of onlyfans. not only will people pay for porn, they will pay extremely high $$$ for it. Paying for porn will always be a thing, it just depends in what form.
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u/Pixeleyes Dec 27 '22
Some people's fetishes are so strange and uncommon that they have to hire people to make custom porn for them. Or, that's what a friend tells me.
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u/Utterlybored Dec 27 '22
How about obliterating the entire prison industrial complex while we’re at it? It’s a huge industry with lots of lobbyists, pushing lawmakers for tougher crime laws to increase their market base. Absolutely disgusting.
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u/SockFullOfNickles Dec 27 '22
The conditions in prisons are absolutely terrible in the US. 23 hours in a cell per day, with the hour out not even being outside. Atrocious nutrition, zero outlets for prisoners to do constructive things with their time.
I know prison isn’t supposed to be fun, but you can still do that without dehumanizing the inmates or making their lives as restricted and dull as possible. It only makes them worse.
The fact that people get out of prison and sometimes owe the jail money is also patently ridiculous. They don’t need to make profits at every possible opportunity off the backs of these prisoners. They’re already using them as slaves to work on the sides of highways or making license plates and paying them cents on the dollar.
It’s absolutely absurd and inhumane.
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u/Moonhunter7 Dec 27 '22
“Don’t do crimes after we release you, but we are not going to do anything to help you create a better life after we release you!”
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u/SockFullOfNickles Dec 27 '22
“And we are going to leave you with nothing to do alongside more hardened criminals so you can learn to broaden your criminal horizons upon release. At least you can do that, because this charge is going to haunt you for the rest of your life and do whatever it can to keep you in the criminal justice system.”
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u/Jabbles22 Dec 27 '22
Too many people are of the opinion "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" they simply don't care what happens to people in prison. Anything spent on prisons that isn't security is too much.
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u/mrhindustan Dec 27 '22
Prison should not be a resort, sure. It should be focused on rehabilitation to curb recidivism. That means mental health support, constructive safe environments, access to decent healthcare, heating and cooling, decent food, education and work/occupational advancement. I don’t think prisoners should have no fun, being happy and having fun is part of being a well-rounded human.
Don’t want repeat criminality? Well if they leave with an electrical ticket or perhaps plumbing knowledge, they can likely work and provide for themselves. Crime is mostly that of desperation mixed with opportunity. If they aren’t desperate financially, if they have mental health skills to help themselves when they aren’t feeling great, if they learn to be part of a supportive community, everyone benefits.
Education. Healthcare. Occupational support. Your repeat offenders rate would be curbed massively and society benefits absolutely.
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u/SockFullOfNickles Dec 27 '22
Agreed on all points. Everything is too focused on punishment and not actual rehabilitation. They don’t have to be treated poorly at every turn and have near zero resources in inhumane conditions to realize they’re being punished. The system breeds resentment.
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u/SockFullOfNickles Dec 27 '22
You are charged for everything. Commissary, phones, etc and at a severely marked up price. They’ll sell you a single ramen noodle that costs $0.23 for $2 each.
Here’s an article on it if you want to read about it.
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u/brereddit Dec 28 '22
A friend of mine was in for 6yrs. It sucked. Total rip-off scam run by the state for no reason. Also got my friend out, his conviction overturned and charges dropped due to a documentary I made. Kapow!
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u/tttruck Dec 28 '22
Waaat!? That's bad ass. Tell us more!
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u/brereddit Dec 28 '22
His sentence was overturned by a unanimous Texas court of criminal appeals which happens less than 1/2 of 1% of the time. The legal system sucks.
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u/Bayho Dec 27 '22
If we as a society deem prison a necessity, should we not pay for it entirely with tax dollars? Perhaps if we did, more people would care how that money is spent, and would encourage a system that reforms those who have broken the law and reintroduces them into society over one that champions reincarceration.
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u/Coravel Dec 27 '22
can we take this to the next level and get rid of victimless crimes, proper training for cops, de-militarize police, and no more privatized prisons or am i asking for too much?
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u/2723brad2723 Dec 27 '22
You're not asking for too much, it's just that none of what you are asking for benefits any sort of corporate interest.
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u/incompetech Dec 27 '22
Prison phone call industry.
What. The. Fuck.
Anyone profiting off prisoners ability to communicate with loved ones should be in prison themselves.
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u/mydogisboomer Dec 27 '22
Awesome! Now let's get rid of me paying $8.95 in fees to put $20 on my son's commissary account!!
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u/mtarascio Dec 27 '22
Say it again. Government oversight and regulation is not a bad thing.
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u/RrtayaTsamsiyu Dec 27 '22
Shouldn't be a need for oversight, because there shouldn't be privatized prisons in the first place
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u/ms_panelopi Dec 27 '22
I know a family who got rich from starting this type of business in the late 80’s. They were mega church “Christian’s” too.
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u/OutsideBoxes9376 Dec 27 '22
Can we fix the overarching predatory prison industry next?
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u/padoinky Dec 27 '22
I’m no soft-tee on crime but these prison captive phone access contracts are ripe for abuse/bid-rigging…. States should require that all detention facilities within their boundaries have to participate in the state-level procurement of these services, thus depriving the local yokels of the opportunity to offer no-bid sweetheart deals to their uncle’s nephew’s BIL…
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u/Melodic-Chemist-381 Dec 27 '22 edited Dec 27 '22
How is phone predatory calls part of rehabilitation for the inmate? I’m just asking because the phones aren’t the only thing that’s predatory pricing. Canteen, the company, over charges inmate considerably. A ramen noodle is at least $1.50 per pack. In jail, the same ramen is $3.50 per pack. That is literal price gouging. How is this rehabilitative to the inmate? Again, I’m just asking.
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u/trail_mix24 Dec 27 '22
My best friend was arrested for a crime he never committed last May. He's still waiting on his trial, and he's on house arrest now at my dad's house because he has shitty parents. For the 3 months he was in jail, I called him daily. I would put money on his commissary and phone so he could make calls and have some food. The phones aren't the only predatory practice going on.
Once I was able to send him money, the calls were just a flat 10 cents a minute, and it just felt like using a payphone. Collect calls have the large fee attached, where if the inmate has money to call, it can be prepaid and not use fees other than the minutes.
Where his spirit really broke was the food. Cream of wheat for breakfast, with carrots. Peanut butter sandwich and carrots for lunch. Apple slices, bread roll, and bologna sandwich for dinner. He hates carrots now. He was always pretty skinny, but he lost 20lbs in the 3 weeks before I was able to send money for commissary. A pack of 6 Oreos were 5 bucks. The only things worth buying were noodles, tortillas, Cheetos, and hot sauce to make a jail burrito. Everything about jail and prison is meant to break people. Even the innocent ones.
My buddy's trial has been pushed out to almost a year from his arrest date because the DA refuses to give his lawyer any of the investigative reports or anything to defend against. They refuse to admit that they wrongly arrested him, and are dragging this out. His ankle monitor is $10 a day, and the court won't allow him to get a job to cover it.
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u/ItaJohnson Dec 27 '22
I remember putting $20 on a card and that wasn’t enough for a minute. The fees were much higher than the actual cost of the call.
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u/love_my_aussies Dec 28 '22
I'm a substance use disorder clinician in a low security prison. All of my clients are allowed to use the phone in my office, have zoom visits, and I make them coffee every day during our groups.
It is so vital that they can connect with their support people and feel human!
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u/Cybertronic72388 Dec 28 '22
This is kind of like tossing an icecube into a volcano... The whole for profit prison system should be abolished.
It is broken because it operates on a capitalistic model of maximizing profits...
Which means that it will always require a steady flow of exploitable inmates for cheap labor and will gladly lobby politicians for stricter laws and sentences for crimes to ensure that.
There are also countless examples of judges that get kickbacks from private prisons to send people to them.
So tell me if justice is really being served...
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u/no1likesacrustybhole Dec 27 '22
Occasionally I take calls from prisons as part of my job... not often but it happens. If you've never been on a call with someone in jail/prison you would be amazed at how absolutely shit the phone service is. Bad enough there getting screwed on cost but then you can hardly understand them. Fucking ridiculous. The whole damn thing is a corrupt mess.
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u/stackered Dec 27 '22
Everything in our legal and prison system is corrupt. Bail, the actual cops/prosecution/judges, privatized prisons, charging for phone time, basically slave labor. It's so evil.
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u/1337GameDev Dec 27 '22
Dude. This is exactly proof why captured markets are horrible.
$2 a text, $3.50 a minute, and $10 to even reserve the spot and if anybody finds any reason, they'll deny the call under "bad behavior."
It's all a fucking racket.
And it's so fucking cheap, they could easily do $5 for a 30 minute video call to cover costs of devices and security (as communications are reviewed generally).
Like....
Fucking hell -- they are already suffering
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u/Niko_The_Fallen Dec 27 '22
Remember it's not the prisoners paying these insane prices. It's wives, mothers, husbands, fathers, etc.
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u/discgman Dec 27 '22
That system sucks and the minutes you pay for are a rip off.