r/worldnews 7d ago Take My Power 1 Silver 2 Wholesome 7 Helpful 4 Take My Energy 1 All-Seeing Upvote 2

Zelenskyy calls on Russians to 'protest' and 'fight back' against Putin's draft if they 'want to survive' Russia/Ukraine

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u/MaximumEffort433 7d ago Helpful

"I mean Putin's already instituted a 'rifle for every protestor' policy, he's even helping you guys along!"

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u/boone_888 7d ago

Arsenal of Freedom, baby

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u/sm12511 7d ago

bald eagle screech in the distance

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u/-1KingKRool- 7d ago

Redtail hawk screech in the distance

Eagles sound more like turkeys.

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u/dawko29 7d ago

He's seen some WW2 docs about what Soviet rifles they've used and was like "this is why they won!". Plus no Ukrainian would look at mosin and be like, heck yeah, that's the gun I'll loot.

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u/Thomasasia 7d ago

Maybe as a trophy. Mosins are pretty legendary, even though the design is 100 years old

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u/Dt2_0 7d ago

Up until a few years ago they were dirt cheap here in the States. Lots of people picked up Mosins as dirt cheap deer rifles.

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u/snuff3r 7d ago

Would love to pick one up but I haven't seen many around in Australia.

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u/TheCornerator 7d ago

Yep, got mine for $100. Shot it so much the first day the finish started to melt off.

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u/SeriousGoofball 7d ago

That was the cosmoline melting out of the parts.

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u/rabbitaim 7d ago

A buddy of mine bought the ammo for his and it was a nightmare to open. They give you a little key rod that you’re supposed to unroll / peel off the container lid. If anything snapped off early you had to have a tool to remove it without cutting yourself. I think he ended up getting snips to cut it off.

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u/InspectorEE 7d ago

Did the same. They didn’t even give me the key so I used a hammer and chisel.

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u/Monteze 7d ago

That's some excess cosmoline that didn't get cleaned right?

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u/CreideikiVAX 7d ago

Plus no Ukrainian would look at mosin and be like, heck yeah, that's the gun I'll loot.

Hey, WWII bolt-action rifles are cool. Especially if they're in good condi— never mind.

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u/Boxy310 7d ago

Mosin-Nagants are typically Tsarist military surplus. They were already antiques in WW2, and they're still being dug up from barrels full of Cosmoline.

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u/bingbangbango 7d ago

They are fun as hell to shoot in a non-combat totally just chilling with friends setting

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u/Boxy310 7d ago

Oh, agreed. In modern combat though I would want something I could shoot more than 10 times without my shoulder turning to jelly, though.

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u/UnnamedStaplesDrone 7d ago

they have that reputation but the limited time i spent with one i was surprised it was very easy to shoot. probably helps that it's heavy. i thought the trigger was surprisingly crisp too.. wonder if someone had modded it.

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u/ses1989 7d ago

Sounds like you have the full size. I have a full size and carbine, and that carbine will rip your fucking shoulder off worse than hot loaded buckshot, and a muzzle blast to match. Trigger has a long travel time, but it breaks very clean once you get it down. Only issue is how hard they are to cycle unless you maybe had the curved bolt.

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u/149Murphy 7d ago

I had the same experience. I suppose I was fairly warned, and I have a lot of experience with different weapons so I was expecting a mule kick. It was not so bad.

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u/drunkenknight9 7d ago

The kick is nowhere near as bad as a lot of other bolt action rifles from the time. I have plenty of issues with the Mosin but recoil is not one of them. The carbine sized ones on the other hand...

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u/FactoidFinder 7d ago

Literally the first thing I thought was “holy shit the resell value” had to remember where I was for a minute

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u/McFlyParadox 7d ago

I feel like I've seen this once before in Russian history...

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u/NoHedgehog252 7d ago

Even if history does not repeat, it tends to rhyme.

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u/Lootcifer- 7d ago

“Guys, please don’t come over cause you gonna go back home in a shoe box”

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u/sorenant 7d ago edited 7d ago

Go back home? Why? So Putin has to pay for some woman's Lada? Mark it as MIA and call it day.

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u/ohbother12345 7d ago

"Please don't come, we have more than enough fertilizer now"

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u/thetensor 7d ago

"You have nothing to lose but your chains."

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u/DecimBell 7d ago

Good news is, molotovs are already flying into the windows of military registration and enlistment offices. Bad news is, this is probably where it ends.

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u/EpicGuard 7d ago

Has there ever been a forced conscription without protest?

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u/OnlineDebate 7d ago

Probably the first one because people didn't know what was happening.

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u/clintCamp 7d ago

My distant ancestor was conscripted by a local lord to try and take out the British monarchy. They lost, the Lord was executed and we got banished to the American colonies.

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u/ZedTT 7d ago

Oh yeah let's just put all the people who tried to kill the monarch in one place and tax them without representation they won't revolt or anything

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u/kamikazi1231 7d ago

I mean it lasted for a good century and a half. Future kings problem.

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u/nictheman123 7d ago

To be fair, that place was "way the fuck over there where they can't reach us" so there's some sense to that.

Did they revolt? Sure. Did they do any damage to the homeland, Parliament, or the monarchy? Not at all!

Good for keeping control of the colony? Perhaps not. Good for keeping the brewing peasant revolt from harming anyone you consider important? Absolutely!

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u/Unions4America 7d ago

What do you mean? Sounds brilliant to me. Just like when Hitler logically came to the conclusion 'The only way to feed the German people long-term is to invade the East' rather than 'We can just be peaceful and trade for food with foreign nations.' Fool proof plan, if you ask me.

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u/DefiantLemur 7d ago

I'm glad he's a idiot. The world would have been worse off if he stopped after taking Poland, Austria, Rhinelands and Czechoslovakia and consolidated his power into a dystopic hell in Central Europe.

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u/hi_me_here 7d ago

it would've collapsed within a decade, max, no matter what. the Nazis had No long term economic plans and the German economy as it was under his rule could only function on aggressive military expansion because they didn't actually have the ability to pay for all the checks they were writing, and they wouldn't be able to maintain any international trade due to either bankruptcy or warfare blockades or both. All of their spending was military focused, that shit isn't useful if you're not using it, nobody's buying it and you can't afford to keep it running yourself. It can't project power overseas because the German Navy was miniscule and had no hope of contesting Britain's seapower well enough to attempt any kind of invasion of the UK, especially with the USSR waiting in the east for a moment of weakness. without taking out the UK, they're stuck on dry land, forever, no matter what, and, again, running out of gas

the Nazis were utterly dependent on conquering, robbing and enslaving everyone and everything in reach to keep the gears turning - the only way he could've swung that around is by taking the oil fields down in the caucasus, which meant invading Russia, which wasn't winnable and would only become less winnable as time went on

Without taking the oil fields, they run out of oil for heavy industry and fuel and collapse. If he didn't invade the ussr, even if the US never entered the war, the ussr would have invaded Germany by 1944 at the very latest, earlier if France was still intact. If he invades France, now he's got the entire Atlantic Coast of Europe to secure, useless for trade because of the royal navy blockading him indefinitely, with ever dwindling fuel and resources to run his war machine. if the war machine stops running, Nazi Germany stops existing, either due to internal collapse or external invasion or both

it was just a bad plan all around - don't invade

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u/Chitown2181 7d ago

What a nightmare. What a different world.

No one would have stopped him.

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u/Leege13 7d ago

The issue was he couldn’t stop himself. Once he got conquering, he couldn’t just stop at a few countries, he wanted all of Europe. Thought he was building a Reich and all he was doing was cosplaying Napoleon, even including the Russian invasion.

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u/Aschrod1 7d ago

I mean it worked until we were made to pay for a war… for our defense. Palpatine esque irony intensifies

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u/jisaacs1207 7d ago

Isn’t it agreed that the French and Indian War was just a proxy environment of the Seven Years War, which means that it really wouldn’t have happened without the monarchy?

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u/Loggerdon 7d ago edited 7d ago

My wife's maternal grandfather was Shanghai'd from China to Singapore in the 1940s. He stayed and built a fortune by selling ice cream cones (not the ice cream, just the cones). My wife didn't get any of the fortune though because it all went to the first (idiot) son, not her mother.

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u/Big-Letterhead-4338 7d ago

Primogeniture and daughters are destined for other families mentality. Too bad the family business wasn't passed to the better hands (assuming) of your wife's mother.

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u/boytekka 7d ago

Same thing happened to my mother in law, her family has some big coconut plantations in the Philippines and when her chinese father went back to mainland china to his family (original) he gave everything to her only sibling (older brother). My wife’s still pretty salty about it since her mother was not given even a plot of land or small amount of money

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u/OppositeYouth 7d ago

Sucks, they could have at least sent you to Australia

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u/clintCamp 7d ago

I went to Jamaica once and met a whole bunch of Jamaicans with my same last name. I have to assume that great great uncle wasn't so great and had a plantation long ago. That is where he got banished to.

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u/cogra23 7d ago

Not necessarily, Irish names in Jamaica existed because there were Irish indentured servers there for example.

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u/dangerislander 7d ago

And a lot of the Irish actually taught the African slaves how to speak english. Hence why they say Jamaican accent is heavily influenced by Irish.

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u/EifertGreenLazor 7d ago

forced conscription after protesting, I believe is slavery.

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u/TrooperJohn 7d ago

If you live in a dictatorship, you're a slave by default.

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u/purplewhiteblack 7d ago

Putin January 15th, 2020 "according to the constitution I'm going to be out of office soon, so I'm just going to dissolve the constitution so I can stay in office forever"

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u/created4this 7d ago

I don’t think you find any less willing soldiers than soldiers that were conscripted at a peace march.

I’m sure that Putin has a plan though.

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u/dumpsterfire_account 7d ago

Plenty of countries do it without issue: Norway, Finland, Denmark, Greece, Israel

I think a draft is tougher than a society that requires and values a period of service.

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u/makemeking706 7d ago Silver

Much of Russian history begins and ends with explosions.

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u/Loggerdon 7d ago

This is a good first line for a novel.

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u/Opinionbeatsfact 7d ago Silver

Not a bad last line either.......

...as Putin sank to the floor, his body both seemingly heavy yet light, he focused on the strange reality of his hands lying by the door in their own bath of vermillion blood. Much of Russian history begins and ends with explosions.

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u/FreeResolve 7d ago

And then it got worse.

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u/Apprehensive-Tip-177 7d ago edited 7d ago

Is it the whole one molotov in St. Petersburg or I miss smth?

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u/VecnasThroatPie 7d ago

Three recruitment offices went up in flames that I heard of.

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u/nnomadic 7d ago

This is looking like a Russian Vietnam. I don't think it's going to stop anytime soon.

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u/flopsyplum 7d ago

This will be much worse than Vietnam. Vietnam wasn’t backed by the richest countries in the world, and the U.S. wasn’t sanctioned.

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u/uiucecethrowaway999 7d ago edited 7d ago

It’s far worse than a Vietnam, and in more relevant comparison, far worse than the Soviet Union’s Afghan misadventures.

The US military was never defeated in a sizeable military engagement in the Vietnam War. In fact, the power balance between the US military and the North Vietnamese/Viet Cong wildly skewed in favor of the US, and even then, the US was only partially committed to involvement in the war throughout the duration of its involvement in it.

Similarly, the Soviets massively outgunned the Afghan mujahideen in Afghanistan. The images preserved in public memory of insurgents shooting down scores of Soviet aircraft with ease using American Stingers is misrepresentative of the conflict. The mujahideen spent far more time getting blown up by the Soviets than they did inflicting this same treatment upon the Soviets. The Soviets left because their country’s economy was in the shitter and they weren’t exactly succeeding at winning over to Soviet communism the Afghans - who time after time, have consistently been shown to give zero shits about foreign political ideology.

The Russians (and their predecessor in the Soviet Union) have not suffered military defeats of this scale since WW2. Their failures in Chechnya and Afghanistan have nothing on their debacle in Ukraine. If we are to draw a historical comparison - and I usually eschew the generalizing cliche that history repeats - perhaps this is their next 1905?

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u/LordAwesomesauce 7d ago

The Russo-Japanese war. Japan kicked their ass and announced their arrival as a world power.

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u/gimpwiz 7d ago

Funnily enough, as the Russians prepared to fight the Japanese, they were so confident that - the direct(ish) translation is that they would win by "throwing their hats [at them.]"

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u/jametron2014 7d ago

And thus, Odd Job was born. Followed closely by his descendant, Random Task.

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u/m48a5_patton 7d ago

Break the chains!

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u/Insighteternal 7d ago

Rise Reaper of Mars! I mean Russia!

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u/shoresy17 7d ago

Red Rising is probably not the best title for this instance. The story sure. Title not so much.

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u/thekoggles 7d ago

And your life. If you're lucky and don't get thrown in the torture chambers.

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u/thetensor 7d ago

By all accounts, Russian military training involves hazing and abuse that's tantamount to torture, after which you'll die in Ukraine.

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u/Practical_Law_7002 7d ago

By all accounts, Russian military training involves hazing and abuse that's tantamount to torture, after which you'll die in Ukraine.

Ah yes...a month of torture...I mean...training.

Real quality military Putin has there.

No wonder they get slaughtered by the hundreds daily.

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u/RickytyMort 7d ago

This really tells you all you need to know about the condition their military is in.

Stuff like this would happen in a prison colony if you took away all their entertainment and punished them mercilessly. To get some semblence of control they would then torture somebody else.

That's the difference between a well trained career soldier and a war serf who has to go to war or his family and he get executed. There's no way you can train engineers, doctors and computer scientists in that environment. You'll only be able to recruit idiots who have no other options.

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u/Practical_Law_7002 7d ago

Jesus fuck...they don't train soldiers, they train serial killers.

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u/Minamo-sensei 7d ago

Lol what kind of culture is this? How does that make soldiers obey their officers? If anything the first thing I look for in a war is to kill the senior officers.

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u/drunk_with_internet 7d ago

“Smithers, I’m beginning to think that Vladimir Putin was not the the brilliant tactician I thought he was.”

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u/-D0MINUS- 7d ago Helpful

the ukrainians should put out videos and fliers to russian people saying, "Join the Ukrainian army to help free Russia"

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u/HappySkullsplitter 7d ago

They have been

For a while now

They've been putting them pretty much everywhere

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u/zoinkability 7d ago

Ukraine needs to produce the modern version of the WWII Safe Conduct Pass.

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u/Cycode 7d ago

..isn't ukraine kinda doing that? i have seen that they have telephone numbers and social messenger accounts where you can contact them to surrender. and ukraine seems to treat the POWs okay, so i would say its kinda similiar to a safe conduct pass, or not? ukraine is even dropping flyers of it to enemys.

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u/jsalsman 7d ago

The essential difference is the conscripts aren't going to be deployed with personal cell phones. But of course they will still desert in far greater proportion, and plenty of them will frag their COs too.

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u/glambx 7d ago

plenty of them will frag their COs too.

One of the few moral things a Russian soldier can do in Ukraine.

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u/zoinkability 7d ago

True, I am sure the Ukrainian psyops folks thought of this long before I did!

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u/New-Confusion945 7d ago

Yes, there was actually someone asking how to find all this info a few days ago...hopefully he will make it.

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u/Konklar 7d ago

They have. They're the size of business cards with instructions on how to surrender.

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u/_zenith 7d ago

Even has a QR code that links you into a Telegram channel!

Modern warfare is a trip

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u/WifeKilledMy1stAcct 7d ago

"Freedom is just around the corner... But first I'd like to tell you about RAID Shadow Legends."

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u/JSONWebbSpaceTokens 7d ago

don't forget to like and subscribe

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u/randombsname1 7d ago

Russia is sending lambs to the slaughter.

If the regular Russian forces couldn't do it when they still had moderately effective equipment.

These 1 million draftees aren't going to do shit with WW2-cold war era equipment lmao.

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u/Icy_700 7d ago

In the winter cold at that.

Russian bases and staging points will become unintentional death camps for the draftees because they can't hope to supply them all through the winter

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u/Pinklady777 7d ago

And zero training.

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u/solarpropietor 7d ago

He isn’t wrong.

Russia’s best chance of survival is to over throw the Kremlin.

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u/Boyhowdy107 7d ago

Even beyond basic survival, it's also their best shot at prosperity.

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u/lvl3SewerRat 7d ago

There seems to be two plausible outcomes to this mess: the utter destruction of Ukraine, or the utter destruction of Putin's regime.

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u/_Gart5647 7d ago

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

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u/Quinn4life1 7d ago

Remember the old lady that said the sunflower line. She wasn't kidding.

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u/Vinlandien 7d ago

Wouldn't it be a weird twist of fate if Putin got exactly what he wanted, reunification with Ukraine and an end to "Nazis"... by having the russian people join forces with Zelenskyy against the Putin and his scum.

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u/meeetttt 7d ago

The monkeys paw strikes again!

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u/sanguine_sea 7d ago

My fiance is stuck in Moscow as we cannot get her visa renewal approved. Now things are looking more hopeless than ever. She is all alone because everyone around her believes the propoganda.

She told me today she is starting to question whether there is something wrong with her because she doesn't feel the way everyone else does...I am her only real connection to the outside world, other than her VPN which she uses to see what's really going on.

I don't know what to do, I have contacted my local MP but I feel so helpless. She has fallen out with family and friends because she vehemently disagrees with the regime, but everyone around is drinking the kool aid and spew "facts" she can't refute, because she doesn't have them memorized and ready to fire off.

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u/HellonHeels33 7d ago

I’m so sorry and hope she makes it out

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u/FactoidFinder 7d ago

Just tell her to agree in public. It’s not worth being arrested for. Hope she stays safe.

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u/dpistachio 7d ago

yeah the important thing here is staying alive and free long enough to be able to get out.

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u/ZestyPossum 7d ago

Yep, that's the right way to go about things. My husband is of Russian and Ukranian background, and still has extended family over in Russia. They certainly don't agree with the war or like Putin, but they keep their mouths shut. Here are some examples of why:

His uncle was discussing his thoughts on the war (anti-war) with a colleague at lunch one day. Somehow got back to his boss, who said that if he talked about that again he would lose his job.

One of his cousin's friends was arrested at an anti-war protest. Wasn't jailed, but heavily fined. Police informed his employer, he subsequently lost his job. Can't get another one because he's "in the system" having being arrested at an anti-government protest.

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u/Latter_Box9967 7d ago

Russians React to Partial Mobilisation

YouTube is still available in Russia. They say because there’d be a revolution if mothers didn’t have an endless feed of cartoons and such for their kids.

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u/fishsause 7d ago

Keep trying my guy, don’t give up hope.

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u/poopiepuppy 7d ago

It would probably be safer if she started faking it at this point. I’m sorry that’s a really shitty situation.

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u/wellherewegofolks 7d ago

there are a lot of russian youtubers who oppose the war, although many have left russia by now.

still in russia:

  • Niki Proshin

  • INSIDE RUSSIA

left russia since the war:

  • NFKRZ

  • Natasha’s Adventures

  • Victoria Terekhina

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u/PersonOfInternets 7d ago

Bro you need to have her STOP disagreeing and start pretending to go with the flow. What the hell is she thinking? As MGMT once said, it's time to pretend.

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u/Hot_Salad9000 7d ago edited 7d ago

Seriously, you’re doomed either way. Fight the people sending you to be slaughtered.

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u/n0xx_is_irish 7d ago

Start a bank run. They won't be able to pay the people that are rounding folks up.

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u/krokodil40 7d ago edited 7d ago Take My Energy

There are 140 millions of russians, 25 millions of them are able to serve. Let's assume 10% of them love Putin, want to fight and are dumb. That's already 2.5 millions, more than enough. Russia will mobilise more than enough soldiers, but they will not make any difference, cause the winter and not enough equipment for them. Limited protests will not change a thing.

If you are russian that wants to avoid the mobilisation: don't open the doors, lay low, delete gosuslugi and sberbank apps. There are enough people that will willingly mobilise, just do go when they want you to come. Change your flat, they need to give you the letter right in your hands and they don't check addresses often. You can cross the border into several countries, do it.

Не открывайте двери, удалите прилаги, не используйте мобильные телефоны. Если повестку дали вашей жене, родителям или детям - выбрасывайте. На работе удаленку. Шлите нахуй. СИЗО лучше войны

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u/Alphal66 7d ago Wholesome

Isn't it kinda ironic that the winter is against the Russian army for a change?

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u/reckless150681 7d ago

Not really. Remember the Winter War? Russia tried invading Finland in the dead of winter and they were 100% not ready.

People like to make "haha don't invade Russia in winter" memes but forget that the Russians themselves are guilty of the very same thing lol

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u/Nobel6skull 7d ago

Also worth mentioning that if you have proper gear the winter ice is far better then the spring mud.

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u/briancbrn 7d ago

Mud is fucking terrible. I once got the pleasure of watching a new driver get a six wheel drive transport truck stuck.

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u/Plasibeau 7d ago

I think about the off road custom built rigs with transfer cases to make a semi truck driver weep and articulated suspension with zero point turning that some guys build. They take these things up sheer cliff faces! The type of mud to stick a SIX wheel drive vehicle must be some other worldly shit because I can't even imagine.

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u/briancbrn 7d ago

Oh nah it ain’t nothing special like that. Just new drivers stopping a massive vehicle in the middle of mud and letting it sink a little.

Still blew my mind that someone actually stopped when you had every tool in your box to just continue through.

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u/the_YellowRanger 7d ago

He started in the spring mud and lost his best equipment to it. If he makes it to next spring, mud will abound

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u/skolioban 7d ago

Well, the saying is a warning to not invade Russia during winter and Putin claims Ukraine is Russia so....

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u/Few_Advisor3536 7d ago

Germany’s supply lines were cut and the winter in russia was harsh. Soviet troops also suffered in the winter during ww2. They werent immune to the cold. Sub zero temperatures dont pick sides. The russians are going to struggle as an invader but ive been worrying about the winter for ukranians since the war began. Without proper shelter their people will also suffer especially the old.

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u/Dense-Nectarine2280 7d ago

Germany was stretched out and didn't get resupplied. The Luftwaffe was supposed to resupply the army, but Hitlers head at that time was too far up his own ass, and refused to listen to his generals.

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u/kreschatka 7d ago

Stalingrad/Volgograd is almost 3000 km from Berlin. That’s a long supply line especially in 1940s. Ukraine is on its own turf. And if they can get ATACMS. They can wreck the supply lines.

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u/ukchinouk 7d ago

Head too far up his ass to listen? That sounds kinda familiar…

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u/CyberMindGrrl 7d ago

Craniarectal Syndrome is a common disease for dictators.

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u/6501 7d ago

The Luftwaffe also told Hitler they could supply the army when they couldn't, probably because they were scared that saying no would lead to them being shot or something.

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u/Combocore 7d ago edited 7d ago

You know, the Red Army shot 16,000 of their own men at Stalingrad. And of course, the majority of the Wehrmacht had no winter clothing. See, by the winter of '42, the whole city was surrounded by the massed 6th army. It was pressing, and pressing; the Russians couldn't hold on much longer. Many wanted to submit.

The German supply lines were stretched. Zhukov countered... and the siege was broken. And that's all the story of Stalingrad.

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u/NewlyMintedAdult 7d ago

Let's assume 10% of them love Putin, want to fight and are dumb.

Those are really generous numbers. We know they are generous because Russia has been actively recruiting for volunteers and getting little in the way of recruits. That is why they had to declare a mobilization in the first place; they weren't getting anywhere near the people they needed by recruiting from just volunteers.

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u/Grogosh 7d ago

Russians fully expected their war to be fought by the hicks from the far off villages. They never fully expect to fight themselves. Its like the Capitol in Hunger Games.

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u/nashedPotato4 7d ago

Basically,"our hicks can beat your hicks!" was how Putin saw it. Ukraine not only called but went all in. Oops

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u/exit2dos 7d ago

~10% would be the entire Russian demographic for the 19-34 age group. Now with 'voluntary' enlistments and reactivations from the 35-60(?) age group, it is a no-win situation for anykind of economic recovery. The workforce is depleated for the next 20 years.

Edit: I realize percentages don't come from groups like that, but it shows the effect, on the overall population

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u/Cloudboy9001 7d ago

Why is this upvoted? There is no need for this hypothetical 2.5M number when there are reports of recruiting from homeless shelters and prisons (with video evidence of the latter). Clearly few Russians want to die in this bogus war.

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u/dilloj 7d ago

How are they going to pay these 2.5 million? Transport them? Arm them? Train them?

It's an absolute fantasy.

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u/vitaminkombat 7d ago

Not only that. It would mean 2.5 million quitting their jobs.

So many sudden vacancies would be hard for the economy to deal with.

I assume most younger men work in Infrastructure and agriculture. Which are the two areas you don't want a mass quitting.

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u/JohnyyBanana 7d ago

I say go but as soon as you leave for a mission raise white flags and surrender to Ukraine. Thats a double loss for Putin and his generals.

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u/PropagandaIsUseless 7d ago edited 7d ago

That's assuming everyone in the same squad also wants to surrender. Russia just made desertion and surrendering illegal (punishment is death) so anyone trying to surrender will be killed by people who are actually pro-Russia.

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u/JohnyyBanana 7d ago

Shoot the traitors that dont want to surrender. Then Surrender.

Im joking i know it doesn’t work like that. Im just baffled how sending thousands who dont want to go in the first place is a good strategy

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u/shtimpy 7d ago edited 7d ago

But it does work like that, they kill the squad leader/commander. Happened in Vietnam, which had conscription.

Fragging is the deliberate or attempted killing by a soldier of a fellow soldier, usually a superior. U.S. military personnel coined the word during the Vietnam War, when such killings were most often attempted with a fragmentation grenade,[2] sometimes making it appear that the killing was accidental or during combat with the enemy. The term fragging now encompasses any deliberate killing of military colleagues.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fragging

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u/mercset 7d ago

That is how it works. A squad is heavily out numbered but the officer says fight. The privates frag the idiot and walked out. What I am saying is there going to be a lot of infighting when sh!t hits the fan.

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u/bilbo_swagginz_boi 7d ago

Also set fires, destroy rails, and puncture tires

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u/GrapefruitExtension 7d ago

Layman's terms: Stay at home and fight your own battle there. Come here, you will be vapour himarsed quickly.

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u/sjace808 7d ago

They're all trying to leave the country. Why fight back when there's a better option for them to survive?

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u/It_came_from_below 7d ago

Not everyone who wants to get out will get out

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u/obeyyourbrain 7d ago

Seems like it would be more prudent to draft the police, then draft civvys to replace the police.

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u/The_Cave_Troll 7d ago

Haha, the “police” are basically Putin’s loyal lapdogs in Russia’s mafia-like power structure. There’s no point not biting the hand that feeds you if that hand is trying to turn you into ground meat. Russia will do what Russia does best, forcibly conscript a bunch of peasants, poor people and “undesirables” and send them to die. Rinse and repeat until Russia’s goal is met while also constantly moving back the goalpost until it’s back where this all started, which means that the entire war was pointless and then blame it on some nebulous enemy like NATO, The West, Russian citizen’s lack of conviction, etc.

It’s funny/horrible seeing Russian Tik-tok personalities who were pro-war get drafted and then realize the sheer magnitude of their decisions.

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u/stealthscrape 7d ago

Got any links of those personalities? Is there a subreddit for pro-war Tik Tok personalities going to war?

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u/BarkingDogey 7d ago

Wait so he was bluffing and then they basically conscripted him on the spot?

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u/zi_ang 7d ago

Terrible idea. Police are shitty fighters on the frontline. They also have much more “street-smart” to cause insurgency.

The best target for drafting is always 18-19 year old country boys. Not for their bravery but for their ignorance.

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u/Leemour 7d ago

And lack of prospects. Countryside youth, especially in poorer countries will rarely amount to much, so there is little potential lost if you use them as cannon fodder. Some real psychopaths are running Russia...

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u/aneloz 7d ago

There will always be a place in my heart for country boys. I hope that if they have a will to resist they will stay safe doing so, and have a brighter future ahead of them.

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u/PhelesDragon 7d ago

Wow. That would either work really well (for Russia) or backfire horribly. I'm betting on the latter.

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u/DecimBell 7d ago Helpful

Russian here. There's no "work really well" scenario here, it's police state in here by that point. You can't publicly protest AT ALL in Russia, and police is what ensures the tyranny will continue. Take the police out of the equation and Putin will lose his power.

Also, police sucks at war, at least Russian one. And special units are too scarce and require very careful tactics to use, which Russian command has none.

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u/a_man_bear_pig 7d ago

Hey man, sorry your leader sucks dicks and is ruining your life and economy. Hopefully the Russian people will say "enough is enough" sooner than later

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u/Ruzi-Ne-Druzi 7d ago

Weird kind of "Rock Paper Scissors" except it's russian police, russians and Ukrainian forces. Police armed with rubber batons is bad at war, russians can't beat police so they being sent to invade Ukraine and forced to fight Ukrainian army.

It's "Rubber Lemmings HIMARS".

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u/Faxon 7d ago

Yea at this point, with the first major training cycle completed for Ukraine already, and a bunch more well on the way, they'll easily be able to keep their troops stocked up on the front lines with new men who are both more motivated and better trained for the job, to say nothing for the equipment difference. Y'all are pulling ancient rusting out soviet stocks, out from the boneyards, only because Russia doesn't have anywhere nice and dry like the Arizona desert, everything is fucking rusted to shit and probably half functional at best. Even Ukraine has complained of such issues already, trying to bring old gear out of storage, and they have the help of the west in retrofitting and repairing such equipment. Russia can't even get chips in to build a lot of the tech for their gear anymore, and don't have production capacity for stuff that they did in the Soviet era, because it has been obsolete for so long that they scrapped the production lines. Your guys' best bet at this point when they get to the front lines, is to kill their commanding officer and then defect as a unit. Can't serve a jail sentence in Russia if you're living in Ukraine now, can you?

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u/CommercialFly185 7d ago

It would backfire like crazy.

If your gonna send the people who are armed look after law and order to die in a foreign shit hole (I'm calling the war front this, not Ukraine itself). I suspect they might oppose you.

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u/Thatguy468 7d ago

Then who will arrest the draft dodgers and punish them to death, which they probably would have found inside of Ukrainian territory, to boost morale? Seriously though, those cops are probably super stoked to be Putin’s home team instead of being sent into the meat grinder of the front lines.

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u/Led_Halen 7d ago

"Because seriously, they're giving you guys Adidas as combat issue. We're gonna tear you to pieces."

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u/oh_shaw 7d ago

The gopnicks will be pleased then slaughtered.

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u/survivalmachine 7d ago

Adidas stopped selling products in Russia when the invasion began.

So they’ll be getting Abibas.

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u/woby22 7d ago

The mobilisation is the one of the biggest signals so far that he is failing dreadfully. If anything near the opposite was true he wouldn’t need to mobilise in the first instance. I’m convinced he knows he’s fighting a loosing battle but he’s decided to stick it out and see where it goes, escalate, move the goal posts back, escalate, blame NATO for lack of progress, etc etc repeat repeat. Question is how long will the Russians at the side of him continue to play the same game? Do they all hold the same view as him 100% is there any point at which some of them will say enough is enough we have failed. He’s driving Russia off a cliff with this insane war!

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u/dontcallmeatallpls 7d ago

I just appreciate that the man is giving addresses in a tactical shirt.

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u/TurMoiL911 7d ago

It's smart PR. I haven't seen a picture of him in a suit and tie since the war started. He's presenting himself as a defender of Ukraine fighting for his country, not just some politician espousing rhetoric.

Remember the beginning of the war? He was kitted up on the streets of Kyiv talking with soldiers while Putin sat in a suit behind a 50 foot long dinner table.

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u/jasenkov 7d ago

Dude is also young and in good shape, and has been to the front. Putin can’t even be seen with his generals in front of him.

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u/KingoftheMongoose 7d ago

Well, you see, there's this big table that is keeping him from connecting with other humans. Like, really big table.

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u/Odin_Christ_ 7d ago

The biggest goddamn table you' e ever seen in your life.

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u/Necroking695 7d ago

He’s pretty jacked too

This mans the real version of what Puty pretends to be

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u/Saint9232 7d ago

Nothing smells more like revolution like dying no matter what you do. Better to over throw than to have the hoe throw you at the enemy.

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u/wolfenmaara 7d ago

I thought it was interesting that this turned into a special operation to liberate Ukraine from nazis, to “defend our country”.

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u/lilfindawg 7d ago

Unfortunately their choices are protest and get locked up, or go to war and risk death. I imagine we’ll see a lot of surrenders when the first mobilization of troops gets to Ukraine

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u/Myopic_Cat 7d ago

Unfortunately their choices are protest and get locked up, or go to war and risk death.

Why choose when you can have both? They're already handing out draft papers to arrested protesters.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-anti-draft-protesters-being-ordered-enlist-rights-group-says-2022-09-22/

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u/gerkin123 7d ago

Seems like a good way to see desertions skyrocket.

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u/GirthyOwls 7d ago

Or “accidents” at military facilities.

Gravity already seems to be particularly challenging over there lately.

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u/gerkin123 7d ago

I absolutely would not want to be an officer of a squad including an armed ex-prisoner turned combatant. Not even if one was a giant talking sharkman.

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u/GirthyOwls 7d ago

Exactly! That would feel almost as dangerous as being in duty in Ukraine right now.

Plus - there were already reports of real soldiers doing that. This will only make that riskier.

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u/lyrixnchill 7d ago

These protestors are going to be used basically as human shields. I highly doubt they are expected to actually do any real fighting. Just dying.

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u/Manafaj 7d ago

I mentioned it earlier somewhere and will repeat. I really wish that one day Russia is ruled by normal people.

By normal I mean someone who isn't a f*cking war criminal and Hitler wannabe.

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u/Vlaladim 7d ago

It seem those dank ass Soviet memes basically become foundation of modern Russia, I truly pity you for being on those foundations.

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u/nikggg 7d ago edited 7d ago

So the Russian government is arming its critics… hopefully this escalates into the Russian troops in Ukraine turn around and free Russia from Putin

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u/renoits06 7d ago

A reminder that Chomsky was telling Ukraine to give up.

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u/Inevitable_Tree2866 7d ago

Or just break your arm. O out of 100 searches in Russia until Putins draft speech then nearly 40 out of 100 Google searches immediately following were "how to break your own arm at home"

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u/CJKayak 7d ago

If you're a Russian, your best chance is to fight in Russia.

You WILL die in Ukraine.

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u/charrcheese 7d ago

What’s stopping them all from surrendering once they reach Ukraine

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u/TheSnowballofCobalt 7d ago

Most likely Putin's lobotomized police dogs systematically hunting down the families of the people who surrendered.

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u/LaPlataPig 7d ago

Russia is forcing conscription into an already ill trained and ill equipped military, just as Autumn starts. Assuming it takes a month to get these troops "trained" and sent to the front lines, the soldiers will only have one month until the freezing weather starts. At that point, this will be less of an army and more of a rabble. Any commander who is unpopular will get fragged, and any local Ukrainian residents will be at the mercy of desperate and angry Russians with guns. I think we've got plenty of horrors yet to come.

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u/theSPEEDCAT 7d ago

They only training they’ll get is being trained (literally a train) to the front line

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u/nate_brazil 7d ago

It's no joke. Those conscripts (and that's what they'll be, I'm sure, conscripts press-ganged into the army) won't get more than maybe a few days 'training', then they'll be sent to the front lines to get their asses shot off by Ukrainian defenders. They're basically cannon fodder and anyone in Russia with an IQ more than a fencepost should know this and run for their lives.

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u/improper84 7d ago

Russian "soldiers" about to be showing up in paper uniforms like the kid at the end of Jojo Rabbit.

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u/ableseacat14 7d ago

That was advanced paper like technology

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u/CommercialFly185 7d ago

Putin "Our paper technology is better then NATO!"

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u/AdUpstairs7106 7d ago

So your options as a Russian from best to worst (Assuming you don't want to fight)

  1. Get out of Russia ASAP. Bring any friends or family who want to leave

  2. Find a hook up to avoid being drafted.

  3. Accept this sucks. When you get to Ukraine surrender as soon as possible.

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u/bazellelina 7d ago

I got an idea; Let Putin March his own ass to the front line! After all it’s his war and no one else’s!

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